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Pro Users Don't WANT an All-In-One
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I'm sorry, but that 5K is a no go... especially for an all-in-one.
I really is a sleek looking machine, I admit. After being through such crap with my last iMac, I simply can't see myself purchasing another one. The Pro might be an option for me. But I'm considering just buying a good MBP and using my power custom rig for heavy lifting.
I really is a sleek looking machine, I admit. After being through such crap with my last iMac, I simply can't see myself purchasing another one. The Pro might be an option for me. But I'm considering just buying a good MBP and using my power custom rig for heavy lifting.
I'm a pro user and I am quite happy with my All-in-One. In fact, I have been happy with the last five I have had (2007 iMac, 2009 iMac, 2012 iMac, 2014 iMac 5K, 2015 iMac 5K).
Bloody narcissists thinking that just because something doesn't work for them, it can't work for anybody.
Bloody narcissists thinking that just because something doesn't work for them, it can't work for anybody.
you are forced to buy a new monitor upon upgradeI'm a pro user and I am quite happy with my All-in-One. In fact, I have been happy with the last five I have had (2007 iMac, 2009 iMac, 2012 iMac, 2014 iMac 5K, 2015 iMac 5K).
Bloody narcissists thinking that just because something doesn't work for them, it can't work for anybody.
My 2015 iMac monitor is better than my 2014 and the one in the 2017 is better than my 2015's. And I am sure my 2011's was better than my 2007s, if not also my 2009's.
Monitor performance upgrades are part of the value proposition I weigh along with CPU performance upgrades, GPU performance upgrades, RAM performance upgrades and SSD performance upgrades each time I consider replacing my machine.
If your value proposition calculation is different, more power to you.
some users don't need/want a new monitor
my dell u2713h has 10bit already
bought it 6 years ago
Then don't buy an AIO. Or use your Dell as a second display as I do with my external 27" HP monitor.
But that doesn't mean I can't buy one (which is what some people are effectively saying when they post that "no pro" or "nobody" wants an AIO).
I know plenty of "pros" who use iMacs. Architects, video editors, professional photographers, even programmers.
Even the ones I know that also have a Mac Pro use the iMac as their day-to-day use machine, and use the Mac Pro essentially as a render/compile system. An 18-core iMac would let them work with a single machine.
Even the ones I know that also have a Mac Pro use the iMac as their day-to-day use machine, and use the Mac Pro essentially as a render/compile system. An 18-core iMac would let them work with a single machine.
need to get the switch to that speed with at least 4-5 ports for home use. Routers priced for home use none have 10-gig-e 8 port switch is about $800 and it's rack mount sized.
Very few ISP's offer more then 1-Gig to the home and it's like $300-$1000+ /mo long term deal needed + high install costs.
even ones with 1-gig are up to 1g down and up to 50m up shared others on the node.
some of the fiber ones are like 1g/1g shared with up to 32 other users on an 2.5G link
All fair points. The main use currently for 10Gbps are file servers for pros who deal with huge files (video editing, 3D, etc). However, Asus makes a lowish-price fanless 10Gbps switch (only 2 of the 8 are 10Gbps), and the Netgear 10Gbps switches are getting more reasonable than they were. My Cox Gigablast service is FTTH, with 1Gbps up and down for $80/month. The new X299 Intel chipset will also include 10Gbps, and a few PC motherboards have trickled out advertising that. If the ports are ubiquitous, then in theory the supporting gear should drop in price. I guess 2.5 and 5 Gbps is getting some traction due to lower power requirements though.
I don't need the horsepower this will offer but I'd buy one if I did. I'd rather have an AIO then a tower and a separate monitor. It's cleaner. If it can stay relatively quiet with that kind of hardware it will be pretty amazing, I would think. And I'll be very interested to see what a fully loaded one will cost.
I have to say I can't really see how anyone could justify buying this machine, from a business perspective. $5k minimum for soldered, non-upgradable parts and essentially a disposable display. All-in-ones make good sense for consumers - hell, I've had about four! - but it's just insanity for "pros".
I think the new iMac Pro looks amazing. I switched to PC last year because of lack of pro commitment from Apple, but if they had released this one sooner I might have stayed. Modular is nice, but so is an All-in-one as well, a long as its powerful enough and has all the stuff you need inside. I think for some its perfect and for others the modular Mac Pro is a better option. All I connect to the machine is a wacom cintiq and HDD's if the machine cant fit enough. So for me an AiO is perfect. But I'm not going back now, the rapid releases of new powerful hardware on the PC market is nice too.
THe maxed out GPU an CPU iMac Pro with 128gb EEC ram and 4tb SSD will cost stupid amounts of money though.
THe maxed out GPU an CPU iMac Pro with 128gb EEC ram and 4tb SSD will cost stupid amounts of money though.
I have been fairly happy with my nMP. The two worst things about it are the measly 1TB of storage and sketchy 5k compatibility. The iMac Pro solves that.
It's 5K for an expensive Xeon processor that can utilize ECC memory. Those things are $expensive$ as hell with Xeon processors breaking the 2k mark on their own. Machines that are supposed to be working non stop on mission critical tasks (rendering workstations) need the stability that Xeon/ECC provide. ECC memory is very expensive too compared to regular ram. If you do not fit into that group, you don't have to buy it. BTW Vega Radeon chips are also wickedly expensive.
For regular photo editing, ECC support may not be needed, and you can definitely get by with a Radeon 580 for most games, although Vega options would be nice.
Now I would love to see what we will be getting for 5K, and how expensive these things can get fully tricked out.
plug in external graphics
plug in external storage
I'm apples eye's, they have ticked all the upgradeabilty boxes
plug in external storage
I'm apples eye's, they have ticked all the upgradeabilty boxes
Exactly... they're offering native eGPU options with the next upgrade. You can get a dock and play games on your Vega Radeon to your hearts content. I'm interested to see what the Mac Pro is going to look like. I think they should go back to a regular water cooled setup similar to the macs of the past
Well it's a far more powerful machine than the AIO Workstations from Dell, HP, Lenovo and other major PC OEMs. They offer quad-core i7 / Xeon E3 only.
And the fact that all the major PC OEMs have AIO workstation offerings should put to lie all these blanket claims that "Pros don't want AIOs". I suppose they all don't want the workstation laptops PC OEMs have been peddling for the past decade, either.
When motherboard starts acting like Hal 9000, you would wish AIO workstations never existed.Well it's a far more powerful machine than the AIO Workstations from Dell, HP, Lenovo and other major PC OEMs. They offer quad-core i7 / Xeon E3 only.
And the fact that all the major PC OEMs have AIO workstation offerings should put to lie all these blanket claims that "Pros don't want AIOs". I suppose they all don't want the workstation laptops PC OEMs have been peddling for the past decade, either.
If your company isn't paying for this or you cannot personally write it off then you are probably not a Pro user and don't need it anyway.
I'd say the people that really need this don't even have to think twice about it...
I'd say the people that really need this don't even have to think twice about it...
Sure
if you are pro user you could write it off....but if things go haywire after applecare expires...that's all folks.
Assuming the bulk of these will be going to scientific / corporate environments, they may have a three-year hardware replacement cycle so they'd be scheduled for replacement around then.
It will be interesting to see what Apple does in terms of support for the iMac Pro and new Mac Pro. Will they look at something more along the line of enterprise support contracts offered by HP, Dell and others with on-site service? Will they develop support packages with major resellers that service corporate accounts and provide not just hardware warranty services, but also software support and asset management?
Or will it be "business as usual" where when one of these goes down, you roll it into the local Genius Bar?
Me as well. I think it's gonna be "business as usual." Too early to say. This imac pro looks like another disposable desktop.