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If your company isn't paying for this or you cannot personally write it off then you are probably not a Pro user and don't need it anyway.

I'd say the people that really need this don't even have to think twice about it...
Why do people always say, "You can write it off", like that means it's free? This is 3-year Depreciation Schedule Equipment, And a section 179 expense on something like this typically gives you around a third of your money back in taxes in the first year, up to the amounts allowed.

The minimum configuration is $5K, let's just wait and see what the actual cost of a properly configured one is before we start saying it's a bargain. Will these things last three years? I don't know. Before I can convince anyone to spend $40K plus on a half dozen of these for their studio, they'll want to know.

Businesses that don't "Think Twice" (especially with Apple's track record) and just throw money at the newest things, typically don't stay in business very long. I've watched several effects-houses tank with lots of virtually unused workstations, still in boxes, going at fire sale prices. That might be the best way to try one of these.

I suspect Apple is just trying this out to see how many suckers are willing to pay for the space gray finish. I know they sold a lot of nMPs to clients of mine, those were prominently displayed for about a year, and now they're all MIA., although I know of one that has become a vase.
 
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I have to say I can't really see how anyone could justify buying this machine, from a business perspective. $5k minimum for soldered, non-upgradable parts and essentially a disposable display. All-in-ones make good sense for consumers - hell, I've had about four! - but it's just insanity for "pros".

What defines a "Pro" user? Honest question.

I think, people are way too set in their own personal definitions....
 
Bloody narcissists thinking that just because something doesn't work for them, it can't work for anybody. :rolleyes:




Lets be fair. Mac Pro hasn't been updated in over 3 years and this is a sure sign it will be another 1 at minimum until the Mac Pro gets updated. If you don't want an all-in-one you gotta be pissed Apple is putting a gun to your head to jump ship to Windows. I'm sure this computer will be excellent but it's leaving some users behind.
 
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The iMac Pro is an impressive AIO computer for sure, but the only option is to use a 27" monitor on a fixed height stand.

That forces the end-user to conform to Apple's limitation, rather than the computer being able to adjust to the user's needs. Seriously, an adjustable height stand is a basic feature.

Until the mMP arrives in a couple of YEARS, a 27" 5K monitor is you'll get, or be forced to add a second monitor.

Or buy an old technology 2013 nMP with a nice... oh wait, the 2013 won't run a 5K display.
 
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Lets be fair. Mac Pro hasn't been updated in over 3 years and this is a sure sign it will be another 1 at minimum until the Mac Pro gets updated. If you don't want an all-in-one you gotta be pissed Apple is putting a gun to your head to jump ship to Windows. I'm sure this computer will be excellent but it's leaving some users behind.
To be truly fair, Apple apologized (back in April) for the mess they made of the last Mac Pro and the position it put some of their pro users in. They also said (again, back in April) that the modular Mac Pro wouldn't launch until next year (2018, just like you're saying), and that they would update the iMac to more powerful configurations this year. Tada.

https://www.macrumors.com/2017/04/04/apple-stresses-commitment-to-pro-users/
 
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The reason why the current (i.e. previous) generation couldn't do that was that the display was connected using special I/O as there wasn't interface capable of driving this display (except MST DP, which I think was used).

Did they say if this changes with the addition of USBC/TB3 in the 2017 model? Can they now be used as displays for another computer?
 
Did they say if this changes with the addition of USBC/TB3 in the 2017 model? Can they now be used as displays for another computer?

Discussion with Apple Chat say that TDM is still not possible, but AC has been giving out misinformation on the 27" in terms of RAM upgrades so... I'm guessing we'll need to wait for someone to actually try it.
 
On a gradient from love to hate:

  • I especially love the grey keyboard and mouse!
  • Love that space grey iMac.
  • The iMac pro strikes me as how the regular iMac should be cooled. If it's that more efficient at cooling, build them all like that.
  • I am indifferent to ECC memory.
  • I don't care for radeon graphics. I would have liked to see an nVidia option.
  • I dislike non-upgradeable ram.
  • I hate the death of the mid-price, mid-range performance Mac. It's been dead for a while, though.
 
Discussion with Apple Chat say that TDM is still not possible, but AC has been giving out misinformation on the 27" in terms of RAM upgrades so... I'm guessing we'll need to wait for someone to actually try it.

I contacted AC as well, and the person contacted a senior advisor, and they couldn't comment either way. It would seem we do have to wait and see.
 
On a gradient from love to hate:

  • I especially love the grey keyboard and mouse!
  • Love that space grey iMac.
  • The iMac pro strikes me as how the regular iMac should be cooled. If it's that more efficient at cooling, build them all like that.
  • I am indifferent to ECC memory.
  • I don't care for radeon graphics. I would have liked to see an nVidia option.
  • I dislike non-upgradeable ram.
  • I hate the death of the mid-price, mid-range performance Mac. It's been dead for a while, though.
Bullet Point 3 - Makes you wonder why the 5K Macs run have to run so hot, when they could have done this.
 
To be truly fair, Apple apologized (back in April) for the mess they made of the last Mac Pro and the position it put some of their pro users in. They also said (again, back in April) that the modular Mac Pro wouldn't launch until next year (2018, just like you're saying), and that they would update the iMac to more powerful configurations this year. Tada.

https://www.macrumors.com/2017/04/04/apple-stresses-commitment-to-pro-users/


Which really hammers in how far behind they are with the Mac Pro.

I mention this in another thread but the strategy actually makes sense ultimately how Apple operates typically. Basically Apple is killing to birds with one stone. Apple has two products they need to update pretty badly which is the iMac and Mac Pro.

They are no where near ready to come out with a newly design iMac(still rocking the same general design since August 2007) and they admitted they are no where near ready for a new Mac Pro. So they come up with the idea of putting some Mac Pro internals inside the iMac with better thermal design so the can appeal to both crowds. It's actually a very smart move since it shuts up some of the iMac crowd who want something more than another incremental spec update and holds off some of the Mac Pro crowd.
 
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The iMac Pro is an impressive AIO computer for sure, but the only option is to use a 27" monitor on a fixed height stand.

That forces the end-user to conform to Apple's limitation, rather than the computer being able to adjust to the user's needs. Seriously, an adjustable height stand is a basic feature.

Until the mMP arrives in a couple of YEARS, a 27" 5K monitor is you'll get, or be forced to add a second monitor.

Or buy an old technology 2013 nMP with a nice... oh wait, the 2013 won't run a 5K display.
Apple has stated that you can run three 5k displays with the nMP.
 
Which really hammers in how far behind they are with the Mac Pro.

I mention this in another thread but the strategy actually makes sense ultimately how Apple operates typically. Basically Apple is killing to birds with one stone. Apple has two products they need to update pretty badly which is the iMac and Mac Pro.

They are no where near ready to come out with a newly design iMac(still rocking the same general design since August 2007) and they admitted they are no where near ready for a new Mac Pro. So they come up with the idea of putting some Mac Pro internals inside the iMac with better thermal design so the can appeal to both crowds. It's actually a very smart move since it shuts up some of the iMac crowd who want something more than another incremental spec update and holds off some of the Mac Pro crowd.
No, what happened is they thought the iMac Pro would be their replacement for the Mac Pro ... because their execs aren't in tune with their pro customers. Once they got raked over the coals by the press for the sorry state of the Mac Pro and also realized the myopic design of the iMac Pro was going to piss off even more pro customers, they got to work on the modular/expandable version. But they are a couple of years behind the ball on that one.

So we get the iMac Pro in the meantime because it was already in the cards. It's not an intentional stopgap.
 
Apple has stated that you can run three 5k displays with the nMP.

I have only found via Apple support pages that the 2013 nMP will only run 5K displays at 4K resolution.

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Found this on MR: "This model is equipped with six Thunderbolt 2 ports, which can drive up to three 5K displays -- two Thunderbolt cables per connection"
 
No, what happened is they thought the iMac Pro would be their replacement for the Mac Pro ... because their execs aren't in tune with their pro customers. Once they got raked over the coals by the press for the sorry state of the Mac Pro and also realized the myopic design of the iMac Pro was going to piss off even more pro customers, they got to work on the modular/expandable version.


They wouldn't declare the iMac Pro a failure for 'pro' customers 2 months before even announcing it to the public(April is when they said they would come out with new Mac Pros down the line so that would have been at the minimum when Apple conceded the iMac Pro was a failure for pro customers).

If the iMac Pro was their intended replacement for the Mac Pro for all of these years it wouldn't haven't taken this long to push it out and they wouldn't be conceding it failure well before the launch. Heck its still not even close to shipping out. I completely believe Apple when they said they lost the bet on a unique design approach with the Mac Pro and they've conceded on a different design approach which most likely lead to them coming up with an interm solution (iMac Pro). Most likely they knew the Mac Pro needed to be scratched a while back and used that time to come up with an interm solution that would allow them to keep the existing iMac line fresh in the news headlines and Mac Pro users not completely in the dark.

Just think about how Apple operates. No matter what any naysayers said about the 2013 Mac Pro, the one thing going for it was that it was a very unique design and it made press which Apple thrives on. What was the famous line during the unveiling of the Mac Pro from Phil Schiller: "Can't innovate anymore, my a$$!". If Apple is forced to scrap the trashcan design they how are they going to move forward? They're not just going to release some generic design. It's a hell of a lot quicker for them to just take an existing product like the iMac, come up with better thermal cooling and swap out consumer grade parts for server grade parts than to come up with a more innovated design than the 2013 Mac Pro. Apple actually has a very difficult task with their next Mac Pro because they can't go backwards in terms of innovated design because its against everything that do.
 
I got tired of waiting and the 2013 iMac was slowing down (there may have been a hard drive that was wearing out). I ended up building a liquid cooled PC with an awesome 4K display and premium keyboard and mouse. It doesn't quite replicate the elegance and simplicity of the Mac, but it does deliver excellent performance with the possibility of upgrading it down the road.

It cost about the same as the top of the line iMac, but it comes with 1TB SSD and 1TB 7200 drive, Kaby Lake i5 (unlocked, liquid cooled and overclocked) and GTX 1070 Hybrid graphics. Windows 10 isn't as good as macOS and there are times when I miss the integration with other Macs and iOS devices. Windows 10 has come a long way though and is a pretty stable OS.

I think to say that Pro users don't want AIO is overreaching and subjective. There are advantages to stand along towers - mainly upgradability. On the other hand, some pro users will probably appreciate improvements in display technology and don't mind buying a new one every time they upgrade the machine. Plus, resale value eases the pain of that kind of upgrade at least a little.

As I always say - to each their own.
 
Apple, Pro users don't want an all-in-one! We want a desktop tower that we can add components to! We want the 2012 Mac Pro, but with new hardware!

I'll agree with your statement but I really think the backlash Apple has felt for lack of improvement and innovation on their laptop and desktop lines caught upper management by surprise. What they released IS a real improvement, at least in performance over what the old Mac Pro was and it also could be manufactured quickly since it used their established form factor. Not much solace but hopefully the next upgrade isn't that long off and will be easily upgradable.
 
They wouldn't declare the iMac Pro a failure for 'pro' customers 2 months before even announcing it to the public(April is when they said they would come out with new Mac Pros down the line so that would have been at the minimum when Apple conceded the iMac Pro was a failure for pro customers).

If the iMac Pro was their intended replacement for the Mac Pro for all of these years it wouldn't haven't taken this long to push it out and they wouldn't be conceding it failure well before the launch. Heck its still not even close to shipping out. I completely believe Apple when they said they lost the bet on a unique design approach with the Mac Pro and they've conceded on a different design approach which most likely lead to them coming up with an interm solution (iMac Pro). Most likely they knew the Mac Pro needed to be scratched a while back and used that time to come up with an interm solution that would allow them to keep the existing iMac line fresh in the news headlines and Mac Pro users not completely in the dark.

Just think about how Apple operates. No matter what any naysayers said about the 2013 Mac Pro, the one thing going for it was that it was a very unique design and it made press which Apple thrives on. What was the famous line during the unveiling of the Mac Pro from Phil Schiller: "Can't innovate anymore, my a$$!". If Apple is forced to scrap the trashcan design they how are they going to move forward? They're not just going to release some generic design. It's a hell of a lot quicker for them to just take an existing product like the iMac, come up with better thermal cooling and swap out consumer grade parts for server grade parts than to come up with a more innovated design than the 2013 Mac Pro. Apple actually has a very difficult task with their next Mac Pro because they can't go backwards in terms of innovated design because its against everything that do.
You're trying to rationalize something that didn't happen. They didn't declare the iMac Pro a "failure", they just conceded it wasn't going to fill the needs of a lot of pro customers and that releasing it without saying anything else might piss off those customers permanently. The iMac Pro is still going to fill a niche for a lot of customers. And it's been in the works for a while.
 
Go over to the MB Pro subforum (talk about All-In-One platforms...) and, in the discussions about the 2016 models and USB-C, you'll see people having d*ck-measuring contests about who's more Pro than who.

Just like in this thread.
 
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