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ThunderSkunk

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Dec 31, 2007
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All of this is old tech. Full Fiber Optic systems and Quantum Computing in a bowl of jello have been around for ages and I refuse to buy anything new until it comes out under $1k.
 

tokenmacdude

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Jun 9, 2015
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If you want to wait 18 months for the M2-Ultra go right ahead.
But, by the OP's logic, won't the M2 be "old tech" by then as well? Buying the M1-powered computers, the current version now, doesn't mean they won't work once the M2 hits the market. This type of assertion is nonsense. If you hold out for the best possible CPU, you'll never buy a computer, ever.
 
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scaramoosh

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Nov 30, 2014
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Lmao, someone not buying something do to an arbitrary stat that has no meaning on the end user. And the nm size isn't even universal across the board, they all have their own definition.

Hold out a year for the M2, because it'll be 20 percent more powerful lol. As we all know when you buy something, you're not allowed to buy anything else because we live under communism.... lol.
 

Mcckoe

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Jan 15, 2013
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The 5nm tech in the M1, M1 Max and M1 Ultra is now old tech. We are on the cusp of 3nm M2's. That is a 40% decrease in size and significant boost to performance and energy savings. The last change was 7nm to 5nm which was less than 30% decrease in fabrication. The iPhone 12 has a 5nm chip and that is almost 2 years old now.

Paying $4000 or $8000 for a 5nm chip computer right now is probably a bad idea. When the 3nm rollout comes later this year, the longevity of those chips will be significantly better. Also, we are running into constraints with Moore's law and will probably not see 1nm chips for several years.
How much power do you need? I realize some people like to be cutting edge, but the M1 is crazy fast. Ultra and Pro are Easily 2-3 years ahead of what x86 and other ARM archs will offer. Apple has proven Custom is the future with the M1, and even though they burnt through years of roadmap to get there; it was worth it.

I get what your saying about 5nm, but we are no longer held to moore‘s law, so we aren’t halving the transistor size every year anymore. enjoy what apple created, it will be fast for a long time. If the price bothers you, get a Mac mini with an M1. Unless you need more power, it will probably be good for 99% of Users needs for the next 5 years.
 

sidewinder3000

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Jan 29, 2010
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The 5nm tech in the M1, M1 Max and M1 Ultra is now old tech. We are on the cusp of 3nm M2's. That is a 40% decrease in size and significant boost to performance and energy savings. The last change was 7nm to 5nm which was less than 30% decrease in fabrication. The iPhone 12 has a 5nm chip and that is almost 2 years old now.

Paying $4000 or $8000 for a 5nm chip computer right now is probably a bad idea. When the 3nm rollout comes later this year, the longevity of those chips will be significantly better. Also, we are running into constraints with Moore's law and will probably not see 1nm chips for several years.
This betrays a lack of understanding about how the world works. The 5nm M1 chips are phenomenal and will have longevity way beyond the Intel Macs released just prior. Plus, a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. Discussing the value of future chips in the midst of a global supply chain crisis seems like a bad joke.
 

mi7chy

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Oct 24, 2014
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Can understand where the OP is coming from since 5nm is considered mature and towards the end of its lifecycle so if I'm going to invest $5K+ it should be somewhat future proof. Same reason I stopped buying Intel 14nm the last several years. Also depends on what I'm upgrading from so if on 14nm then it's acceptable to upgrade to 5nm, otherwise, if on 7nm or 5nm it's better to wait until 3nm next year or maybe 4nm later this year.
 

Macalway

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Aug 7, 2013
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I like the way you think.

But you are jumping the gun (or jumping the die, actually :D )

And if everyone was so future minded the future would be delayed.....forever. (yes I know)
 

reinvdo

macrumors newbie
Nov 2, 2020
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Hey MacGuy360,
since when do we take nm into account when buying pc's??? what actually is important, is performance increase.
And by the way, it's Moore's Law that is slowing down because of the fact going below 3nm seems to be difficult: not the other way around. Let's keep the logic correct.
 

kc9hzn

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Jun 18, 2020
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The 5nm tech in the M1, M1 Max and M1 Ultra is now old tech. We are on the cusp of 3nm M2's. That is a 40% decrease in size and significant boost to performance and energy savings. The last change was 7nm to 5nm which was less than 30% decrease in fabrication. The iPhone 12 has a 5nm chip and that is almost 2 years old now.

Paying $4000 or $8000 for a 5nm chip computer right now is probably a bad idea. When the 3nm rollout comes later this year, the longevity of those chips will be significantly better. Also, we are running into constraints with Moore's law and will probably not see 1nm chips for several years.
Everyone knows that there will always be a faster computer/processor next year. Computing goes down in price over time, that’s always been the way it goes, for decades now. By this logic, no one should ever buy a high end computer, because there will always be another high end computer next year.

Here’s a hint: For some people, a powerful computer today is worth more than even a more powerful computer next year. The benefits of buying now can certainly outweigh the benefits of waiting a year for a better item. People like stuff now, people like immediate gratification, even if next year’s version will be cheaper and faster. And, for a business, time wasted on using slower computers while waiting for next year’s upgrade is time that, with upgrading to today’s high end, could be used to take on new clients, provide deliverables to existing clients in a more timely manner (keeping those clients happy), developing new products, etc.

TL;DR: It’s human nature to want to satisfy needs ASAP. Often times, people will settle for something “suboptimal” instead of waiting for a future opportunity, especially if there are time pressures. Faster computers next year has never been a great reason to delay buying a fast computer today, and, if it had, consumer computing never would have gotten off the ground.
 

4sallypat

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Sep 16, 2016
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How much power do you need? I realize some people like to be cutting edge, but the M1 is crazy fast. Ultra and Pro are Easily 2-3 years ahead of what x86 and other ARM archs will offer. Apple has proven Custom is the future with the M1, and even though they burnt through years of roadmap to get there; it was worth it.

I get what your saying about 5nm, but we are no longer held to moore‘s law, so we aren’t halving the transistor size every year anymore. enjoy what apple created, it will be fast for a long time. If the price bothers you, get a Mac mini with an M1. Unless you need more power, it will probably be good for 99% of Users needs for the next 5 years.
Agreed!
From where I came from (2012 Mac Mini i7), my current M1 Mac Mini & 24" iMac just blows it out of the water!

I was looking at upgrading to the new Mac Studio base but I looked at my RAM and storage needs and found the M1 Mini is more than enough.

The only reason to upgrade to the Mac Studio would be to keep my ancient 27" TB display running alongside the Studio display that I did purchase which will replace the TB display on my M1 Mini...
 

kc9hzn

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That’s likely floating-point side effects. It’s normal, and even expected/helpful in some scenarios, but temperature reporting is not one of them
Well, arguably, if it’s below 0° but above -1° but the display is truncated to one digit, it could make sense. (Especially in Celsius, where one unit is roughly twice the magnitude of a unit of Fahrenheit, therefore you’re more likely to encounter a situation like this on account of the lower resolution.)
 
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kc9hzn

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All my transistors are 1 plank length or less. Everything comes up quantom foam but that's alright; I got a guy to sort it out for me. I'm computing so fast I'm getting answers before I can form the questions. All you plebes with your nanos of meters got nothing on me.
Ah, but it sucks to be the guy sorting it out. It’s easy to get entangled in all the qubits without a way out!
 
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