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editguy

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Oct 14, 2008
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Thanks. Is this one of the new ones or is it the original? I cannot watch it at the moment.

The story was posted April 28th, so it's not new. As to the complaints about it being noisy (if it still is) you could easily fix that yourself.
 

corinhorn

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Apr 27, 2008
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The story was posted April 28th, so it's not new. As to the complaints about it being noisy (if it still is) you could easily fix that yourself.

On that note, you could easily build your own hackintosh cheaper an with the exact specs you desire.

I really think Psystar is a bad joke. If people want a hackintosh, they are going to need some level of geek intuition and can therefore build their own machine, or hack OS X to work on their current PC. I don't see Psystar being popular with anyone other than the "Apple is evil and greedy" crowd.
 

BenRoethig

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Jul 17, 2002
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Not if they haven't been heard yet. The case is still very much in its early phases and is slated to be heard in November.

ETA - I believe that Apple has filed an injunction as well.

In most cases an injunction to stop them from selling the disputed product to new customers. If the judge favors the defendant or if an agreement is reached between two parties, the injunction is lifted.
 

BenRoethig

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Jul 17, 2002
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Psystar is not an Apple competitor. Psystar is a guy in his basement building noisy and cheap computers and then putting Mac OS X on them. Psystar is mooching off of Apple's work. Nothing that Psystar produces will ever make Apple change its computer lineup or its business model.

If what Psystar is doing is legal, why hasn't Dell, HP, or ASUS ever sold a machine with OS X on it?

A machine without support is worthless to the larger manufactures.
 

oldwatery

macrumors 65816
Sep 16, 2003
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These guys are a joke.
Look at the product......:eek:
Look at the web site.
The whole deal smells bad and looks worse.
As for all the "Apple costs so much money" crap....get some real world comparisons going and Apple is as competitive as any one out there.
These guys are in it to stir up s**t.
May they get flushed down the toilet where they belong.
 

MD5Hash

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Sep 30, 2008
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no through test or probably no test at all have been done to those machines with the particular configuration. os x is good to a very large extent is due to its thorough testing on machines that eliminates the compatibility issues with different pieces of hardware putting all together and possibly with the driver itself. those offerings sound quite attractive in terms of value for money, but that's like getting a second hand 3-year old bmw m3 that's got its vin scratched off for £6,000, would you buy one of these any more?

just forget it, what users ultimately want is the best user experience and stability of system itself, not the sort of things that you can't even run patches in software update.

i bet £100 that whoever buys one of these will regret in 60 days of time and have no way to return or probably resell.

I could do a lot with an extra $170, or whatever the pound/dollar exchange is these days. you REALLY want to bet your cash against people having problems with these systems? In less than 2 months? And you want to bet that no one will want to buy one? Even though they can easily slap windows, ubuntu/linux/whatever on it?

I am betting you are wrong. Extremely, amusingly wrong.

You either have a lot of faith in fortune-telling, or not a lot of faith in us PC builders. :rolleyes:
 

BenRoethig

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Jul 17, 2002
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These guys are a joke.
Look at the product......:eek:
Look at the web site.
The whole deal smells bad and looks worse.
As for all the "Apple costs so much money" crap....get some real world comparisons going and Apple is as competitive as any one out there.
These guys are in it to stir up s**t.
May they get flushed down the toilet where they belong.

If you're talking about a straight one one comparison, yes Apple is competitive. That being said, they have strategic holes in their lineup. If you want a desktop, you have to buy a workstation instead. You want a 15 or 17" screen you have to buy a premium thin and light. Now if you want firewire, you have to move up a few rungs. Apple can do this because they know that if you want the better OS you have to have to buy what ever they want to sell even if it is way overkill for your needs or out of your price range. That's the advantage of being a monopoly though.
 

corinhorn

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Apr 27, 2008
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Even though they can easily slap windows, ubuntu/linux/whatever on it?
You can do this with any computer. Why go for a Psystar when they don't seem reputable?

Now why can't Apple just do this. A Blu-ray drive is what consumers want now anyways.
Some consumers. I don't have any desire to get a Blu-ray drive. The only place I hear a fervor clamor for Blu-ray is tech forums.
 

BenRoethig

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Jul 17, 2002
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You can do this with any computer. Why go for a Psystar when they don't seem reputable?

Some consumers. I don't have any desire to get a Blu-ray drive. The only place I hear a fervor clamor for Blu-ray is tech forums.

So since you don't want one apple shouldn't sell one. You don't have to upgrade if yo don't want. Besides Apple is supposed to be at the cutting edge of technology, not the trailing edge.
 

teknishn

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Nov 16, 2006
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Personally I think these sort of hackeries are lame. I have no interest in buying somebody elses low bid hardware with a hacked/modified version of OSX that can't get latest versions/security updates etc. Not cool IMHO.

What is cool to me is EFIX. I'm seriously considering this route to replace my iMac. I can build a powerhouse machine, as long as I make sure to use any of a large variety of their supported and tested hardware recommendations, for a fraction of the cost of a lesser powerful Mac. And more importantly, I won't have a single worry in the world about hackintosh nonsense, updates etc. You run stock OSX with it and you can get any update that comes down the pipe.
 

dukebound85

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Jul 17, 2005
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Personally I think these sort of hackeries are lame. I have no interest in buying somebody elses low bid hardware with a hacked/modified version of OSX that can't get latest versions/security updates etc. Not cool IMHO.

What is cool to me is EFIX. I'm seriously considering this route to replace my iMac. I can build a powerhouse machine, as long as I make sure to use any of a large variety of their supported and tested hardware recommendations, for a fraction of the cost of a lesser powerful Mac. And more importantly, I won't have a single worry in the world about hackintosh nonsense, updates etc. You run stock OSX with it and you can get any update that comes down the pipe.

i can do all that with my hackintosh right now. no need to wait for hacked updates and i installed off a retail dvd
 

corinhorn

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Apr 27, 2008
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So since you don't want one apple shouldn't sell one.
I never said that. The claim was made that consumers want Blu-ray. I'm a consumer, and I do not want Blu-ray.

I haven't seen any numbers/reports to support the claim that consumers everywhere are demanding Blu-ray. In fact Parks Associates recently amended their initial assessment of Blu-ray sales for this year. It's going to be lower than originally anticipated.

Blu-ray has yet to prove itself as a technology that has staying power. It's still fairly new, and if its dead in a year or two, what will the point have been for Apple to rush to get Blu-ray drives in their machines? They would at that point either have to continue to support a dead format, or go back to DVD drives thus pissing off the few people who have Blu-ray discs.

Without question, Blu-ray is superior to DVD in capacity, but no one knows if consumers in masses are going to adopt it. Online digital content is growing to become the new standard for media an software delivery—optical media may be dead soon.
 

MattInOz

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Jan 19, 2006
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So since you don't want one apple shouldn't sell one. You don't have to upgrade if yo don't want. Besides Apple is supposed to be at the cutting edge of technology, not the trailing edge.

The way the licensing for blu-ray is Apple have to pay for me to have it regardless if I want it, not just once but many times.

In a laptop say with a HDMI port then they pay for a couple of people the built in screen to signed, and again for the HDMI port then for the Video Processor which maybe CPU or GPU so you pay for both, then the drive and finally for the little blu-ray logo.

It's not like AAC, there are no blanket licenses so that enough people want it then the rest get it for free.

It'll be in the MacPro as a option tied to a specific video card first.
Or maybe the top end Mini.

If it's going to happen but I think Steve as CEO and shareholder of a small media company maybe trying to push for a clean up to licensing before we see it on a Mac.
 

slackpacker

macrumors 6502a
Apple sued Psystar. Lawsuits take time.



Its not legal for an individual eiother - The difference is that Apple isn;t suing individuals since there is little to gain from it.

Business and individuals are by definition different entities. EULA's have been tested and upheld when business have been sued. The courts set higher expections for business on things like trademarks since they are supposed to know them.

Much like renters law where you can't throw out the dead beat renter... Apple can't do anything that involves harm to Psystar.
 

editguy

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Oct 14, 2008
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—optical media may be dead soon.

I don't agree with that. For the foreseeable future it is the only way for small video producers to get their finished product into the hands of the consumer. As and example, I produce thousands of DVD's for high school dance programs. And as unbelievable as it is, I just recently was able to get them all weaned off VHS tapes (some said tapes are more durable, and with the way many peop[le treat DVD's, for them it may be true!).
But I do agree that it may not be in Apple's interest to produce computers with Bluray burners. BUT, they should provide software support so that an external burner would be supported.
 

editguy

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Oct 14, 2008
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The way the licensing for blu-ray is Apple have to pay for me to have it regardless if I want it, not just once but many times.

In a laptop say with a HDMI port then they pay for a couple of people the built in screen to signed, and again for the HDMI port then for the Video Processor which maybe CPU or GPU so you pay for both, then the drive and finally for the little blu-ray logo.

It's not like AAC, there are no blanket licenses so that enough people want it then the rest get it for free.

It'll be in the MacPro as a option tied to a specific video card first.
Or maybe the top end Mini.

If it's going to happen but I think Steve as CEO and shareholder of a small media company maybe trying to push for a clean up to licensing before we see it on a Mac.

If it's such a huge issue, why can Acer, Asus, and HP do it?
 

corinhorn

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Apr 27, 2008
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I don't agree with that. For the foreseeable future it is the only way for small video producers to get their finished product into the hands of the consumer. As and example, I produce thousands of DVD's for high school dance programs. And as unbelievable as it is, I just recently was able to get them all weaned off VHS tapes (some said tapes are more durable, and with the way many peop[le treat DVD's, for them it may be true!).
But I do agree that it may not be in Apple's interest to produce computers with Bluray burners. BUT, they should provide software support so that an external burner would be supported.
That's valid.
 

pdjudd

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Jun 19, 2007
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Much like renters law where you can't throw out the dead beat renter... Apple can't do anything that involves harm to Psystar.


True. Apple can't just go to to Psystar and trash their HQ to put them out of business, they have to go through a great deal of effort through legal means to essentially get them to close their (psystar's doors). The legal effort that Apple has to go through is quite large and they are only in the beginning stages. Mutual Arbitration is just one of those phases and just like with renters and tenants, Apple has to show that they made a good faith effort to come to a non legal agreement with their competitors before they go to the next step. This is very preliminary stuff that is going on here and nobody can realistically say that "Apple is cracking" or "Apple must not have a good case". Subsequently we cannot declare Psystar's defeat or whatnot.

Personally I don't think Psystar has any legal footing and we can make any number of arguments that indicate that they are in serious trouble. We must stick to facts here and I don't see how we can get around the notion that Pystar as a business, violated Apple's IP.

Furthermore, I can not see how Apple's EULA as not being binding for a company. Nobody has seriously answered this basic question which has already been asked before and not just by me: If Apple's EULA was not illegal than why has Dell (Michael Dell has made it clear that he would love to sell Mac Clones) not done so? I postulate that Dell is very aware that they cannot violate Apple's licensing terms even when Dell makes more money than Apple does. Dell has lawyers who could have challenged this years ago if it had any chance of success - they know it will not.
 
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