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I certainly hope it's an option you can turn off. I must believe it is. I can't imagine Android would eliminate one of its oldest and most standard features (the more discrete status bar notification).
Having said that... since installing Notifier Pro on my Moto X, I've actually been enjoying the small pop up notifications at the top. Much more so than when it happens on my 5C. And I think screen size plays a major factor in the difference. Basically, the notification drop down simply doesn't get in the way as much as it does on a smaller screen.
Also, because very rarely are navigation buttons only on the top of the screen in Android, the drop down also doesn't get in the way of navigation (e.g., the back button is always on the bottom for Android). Most of the time, in iOS, the back navigation button is top left. And because of that, the drop down notification can really get in the way.
Having said all that again!... I'm not thrilled with the way Android L is implementing these Heads-Up notifications because they look way too big. They look like they would be intrusive. Notifier Pro, for example, is smaller and looks more sleek.
: shrug : We shall see. It'll be interesting to use. Likewise, it'll be interesting to see how Apple and iOS 8 deal with navigating backwards on a larger device and how their drop down notifications will feel on a larger device.
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A lot more screens of Android L: http://www.phonearena.com/news/Andr...yboard-new-settings-and-lots-of-color_id57565
Including the new keyboard design. Interesting.
BTW, I'm surprised no one's talked about the new Android buttons on the bottom. Back, Home, Recent are now in shapes: triangle, circle, square. I'm a bit torn. They look kind of cool, but also kind of weird.
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I certainly hope it's an option you can turn off. I must believe it is. I can't imagine Android would eliminate one of its oldest and most standard features (the more discrete status bar notification).
Having said that... since installing Notifier Pro on my Moto X, I've actually been enjoying the small pop up notifications at the top. Much more so than when it happens on my 5C. And I think screen size plays a major factor in the difference. Basically, the notification drop down simply doesn't get in the way as much as it does on a smaller screen.
Also, because very rarely are navigation buttons only on the top of the screen in Android, the drop down also doesn't get in the way of navigation (e.g., the back button is always on the bottom for Android). Most of the time, in iOS, the back navigation button is top left. And because of that, the drop down notification can really get in the way.
Having said all that again!... I'm not thrilled with the way Android L is implementing these Heads-Up notifications because they look way too big. They look like they would be intrusive. Notifier Pro, for example, is smaller and looks more sleek.
: shrug : We shall see. It'll be interesting to use. Likewise, it'll be interesting to see how Apple and iOS 8 deal with navigating backwards on a larger device and how their drop down notifications will feel on a larger device.
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A lot more screens of Android L: http://www.phonearena.com/news/Andr...yboard-new-settings-and-lots-of-color_id57565
Including the new keyboard design. Interesting.
BTW, I'm surprised no one's talked about the new Android buttons on the bottom. Back, Home, Recent are now in shapes: triangle, circle, square. I'm a bit torn. They look kind of cool, but also kind of weird.
If I was Sony I would be mad, it looks just like the Playstation remote buttons
Such as? Apple copied a bunch of Android features which is fine.
i dont really car who copies who because it makes everybody stay on their toes to keep moving forward but what major improvements to Android L is coming from Apple? Auto rotation lock? Thats not new unless im mis understanding it. Not sure what do not disturb is.
Continuity is certainly nice but you have to have all Apple products to achieve it. You dont need to have all Android products to achieve it. I have things on my Windows Vista, Android and Windows 8 systems running Google applications that sync with it like Hangouts,Google Drive and Chrome to name a few.
Id stop short of calling things innovating on both sides but yes, Apple took a step forward to cathing up and then took two steps back.......as it will probably always be until they open things up. Even the widgets they now will be getting arent as good as well as the notifications.
These car applications coming for both........ill wait to see how nay of it is at this time as neither has any of their things in any car ight now so i dont see how that is copying each but im hoping they work iin the car better than what is in there now. Text messages in my Nissan suck. Inconsistant and i cant reply with my own response. My Motorola Roadster is way better in that respect than the car implemente system.
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Such as do not disturb, auto rotation lock, lock screen notifications, and heads up notifications. I don't get whats so hard to understand about Do Not Disturb. It's a mode where you can silent calls.
I don't care who is copying who either but you make it sound like IOS is playing catch up when in reality, both are ahead in some ways.
The Google Apps syncing are neat but not half as powerful as continuity, and besides I could sync all that stuff on IOS too making that whole feature set pointless. Yes, you need to have a mac and an iPhone for continuity to work, but you also need to have chrome os and Android for similar integration of notifications. Unfortunately Google is really behind on that one, with only a few things syncing unlike IOS which does the syncing between the devices between a lot more stuff making it infinitely more powerful.
You say the widgets won't be as good but I think they will be better. I always wanted widgets which can be accessed from anywhere and which looked all uniform in terms of design. That's why I don't have a single widget on my Android phone. Because it looks like a cluster**** with billions of different unique designs all on one screen.
Of course this also means that the ios implementation will be cluttered if you put in too many widgets which brings me to my original point. Apple are not two steps behind, they are neck and neck with Android. Maybe Android is better for your particular use cases but IOS for mine.
And if you hadn't noticed, iOS IS opening up. I thought that was blatantly obvious. Third party keyboards, widgets, continuity which works with third party apps, extensibility which allows third party apps to integrate into first party apps (which I think is a billion times more powerful than what Android does) and finally allowing third party apps to have actionable notifications
In fact, if I took anything away from this year's WWDC, it was that Apple is trying to be more open all the while having control over their system.
I downloaded a copy and left it at home
Do you have all the required images to flash?
People trample all over the double standard. Android developers have had X for a while, so even though Google is just implementing it, it has been on Android for a long time. The Jailbreak community has had Y for a while, but Apple plays catch up when they implement it.
I wouldn't pay VegasTouch no mind. He is often misinformed and lacks understanding of basic features on popular products. "Do not disturb" is a good example. In another thread, he told me that FaceBook Paper was recently released when I have been running it for months. I stop responding to his posts because you will end up down a rabbit hole.
I think it's pretty obvious Google copied big time and this recent I/O demonstrated it for all to see. The list just piles up after a while:
1. CarPlay
2. IOS 7 UI
3. Apple TV
4. Do Not Disturb
5. Rotation Lock
6. Notifications iOS style.
I'm sure I'm forgetting a few but I don't care enough for it to matter. Companies copy each other and that's just the way it is. They all do it and helps the consumers because these features become standard across platforms.
The bolded part i agree with 100% and had that on my reply before but didnt keep it. They NEED to be more open but also want to control everything and why they will never be neck and neck with Android.
You were able to move apps to the lockscreen since Jelly Bean first came out and then later it was limited to apps for some reason. But there was no rooting needed in either way.
Do not disturb is pretty much a silence button but with options so you dont have to turn off everything. You can do many of those things on Android but you have to go to the contacts to do individuals or just put it in silent mode. I dont see the big deal of that feature.
iOS is far from neck and neck w/ Andriod but whatever you want to think is fine. The widgets dont work the same on iOS and it was explained a lot better by a poster in another thread but cant remember which one it was.
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LOL, those are iOS apps so no im not familiar with some of them. I havent used a iPhone since mid 2010.
I read that FB paper was a recent release this year and it is only being experimented on the iPhone and only in the USA.
I like that these comanies copy each other. Its just that Apple sues while Google doesnt.
Carplay isnt in any cars yet so how is that copying Apple if they were working on it as well? In anycase, i just hope both work better than what is in cars now because they really lack badly.
And lockscreen notifications have been used on Android since Jelly Bean first came out. I agree it dont matter.
Copy each other to death. Fine by me, just dont sue when they do and Apple has been the king of copy over the years.
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So basically you're ignorant to what do not disturb does and you say IOS widgets suck, but you don't remember why?
Lol I guess we'll have to agree to disagree
Thanks for the heads up. Now that you mention it, I feel dumb for not having seen it earlier.
Once again, people are not upset so much by copying alone, but more so by the fact that a company copies then claims its the most innovative company and then files lawsuits and calls the competitor nothing but copied goods. Only one of these two companies takes it there. And let's face it, Apple created the whole "who copy who" craze. In other words, you only have Apple to blame for the sort of "now look who's copying who" backlash that you see from Android fanatics.
Either way, copying or not, one thing worth pointing out is that iOS still feels like it has a long way to go (or if you want to put it another way, a lot more to copy) to match the capabilities of Android.
Whereas Android overall doesn't feel like it has as far to go to match what it might be missing compared to iOS. Google really closed that gap in Android L. What other major features are there to "copy" from iOS that Android doesn't have? There seems to be more one can list if they asked that question the other way around of iOS.
As far Android Auto/CarPlay and Android TV/Apple TV, these are areas where I feel like companies like Google would have naturally progressed to. Just like Apple will inevitably introduce an iWatch/smartwatch of some type, that, too, would be them naturally joining the market. Did you really think Android -- in its desire to proliferate its software (Android One, anyone?) -- wouldn't have thought to enter the smart-car, smart-TV world if Apple didn't do it first? Come on now. =T
Also, in terms of innovation, if you really want to talk about Google as a whole, if you truly want to discuss what other areas the company is "innovating" in, you can't overlook the fact that they're experimenting with Google Glass, Weather balloons that provide WiFi, Google Fiber, Self-driving cars (<-- woah?), what they've done with mapping and Google Earth, what they're doing with wind technology, what they're doing with robots... etc. There are probably plenty of more things. They don't always translate to an immediate consumer product, but that's not what they only care about (unlike Apple -- nothing wrong with this). And one might argue those things that Google are doing are innovative.
To bring the point back to Android/iOS... I just feel like my Android device can be adapted to my needs faster and easier than my iOS device can adapt. Only now are we getting 3rd party keyboards and widgets (which I think is implemented wrongly, in my opinion. Only on the pull-down screen? So that means I have to swipe back and forth between the Today tab and the Notification tab to see either things; AND I have to scroll down to the widget if its far down? I don't know about that...). If something is missing with my Android device, I can find 3rd party solutions, most of them really good (and some of them actually better than any stock feature can offer. For example, NotifierPro beats Android's stock notification system, including Moto X's, AND beats iOS' notification system. It's much more customizable). Just one example.
Anyway...
TL;DR -- everyone copies. This is NOT new. The only reason it's a big deal is because Apple made it big deal. So you don't like copying? Blame Apple and its fanatics that created this stigma.
Or maybe not? What do I know?
Either way, copying or not, one thing worth pointing out is that iOS still feels like it has a long way to go (or if you want to put it another way, a lot more to copy) to match the capabilities of Android.
Whereas Android overall doesn't feel like it has as far to go to match what it might be missing compared to iOS. Google really closed that gap in Android L. What other major features are there to "copy" from iOS that Android doesn't have? There seems to be more one can list if they asked that question the other way around of iOS.
As far Android Auto/CarPlay and Android TV/Apple TV, these are areas where I feel like companies like Google would have naturally progressed to. Just like Apple will inevitably introduce an iWatch/smartwatch of some type, that, too, would be them naturally joining the market. Did you really think Android -- in its desire to proliferate its software (Android One, anyone?) -- wouldn't have thought to enter the smart-car, smart-TV world if Apple didn't do it first? Come on now. =T
Also, in terms of innovation, if you really want to talk about Google as a whole, if you truly want to discuss what other areas the company is "innovating" in, you can't overlook the fact that they're experimenting with Google Glass, Weather balloons that provide WiFi, Google Fiber, Self-driving cars (<-- woah?), what they've done with mapping and Google Earth, what they're doing with wind technology, what they're doing with robots... etc. There are probably plenty of more things. They don't always translate to an immediate consumer product, but that's not what they only care about (unlike Apple -- nothing wrong with this). And one might argue those things that Google are doing are innovative.
To bring the point back to Android/iOS... I just feel like my Android device can be adapted to my needs faster and easier than my iOS device can adapt. Only now are we getting 3rd party keyboards and widgets (which I think is implemented wrongly, in my opinion. Only on the pull-down screen? So that means I have to swipe back and forth between the Today tab and the Notification tab to see either things; AND I have to scroll down to the widget if its far down? I don't know about that...). If something is missing with my Android device, I can find 3rd party solutions, most of them really good (and some of them actually better than any stock feature can offer. For example, NotifierPro beats Android's stock notification system, including Moto X's, AND beats iOS' notification system. It's much more customizable). Just one example.
Anyway...
TL;DR -- everyone copies. This is NOT new. The only reason it's a big deal is because Apple made it big deal. So you don't like copying? Blame Apple and its fanatics that created this stigma.
Or maybe not? What do I know?
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I never said it sucks. Ive never said anything on Apple sucks. What i have said is that the widgets are not as good as they are on Android but give em time. If Apple was willing to be more open, it would be a great phone and kudos to them for opening up a little. I will actually try a iPhone out now when it comes out which i havent been interested in doing for a long time.
Google is also big on Robots and AI for robots. IIRC they even purchased Boston Dynamics which makes "Petman" and the four legged militarized dog robot.
True....Google innovates many things. Some i dont care for like Glass, but im really interested in the self driving car. Cant wait for those to be available to the public thru car manufacturers.
Different agendas. I wouldn't necessarily call all of those innovations. Simply stated, Google is going to want to mine your data any way they can. Sure, every company does as well, but that is Google's agenda.
With driverless cars, I am willing to bet they will champion the cause for this technology, but not ever sell it commercially.
And with getting sued, again, it's their agenda. Google's dependence on companies like MS and Apple make it tough for them to come out on top through litigation. If you poke the bear and it snaps at you, you could lose an arm. More literally, if they poked MS or Apple, and the latter 2 decided to make it difficult to integrate on their platforms? Huge loss for Google. It's not as if suing on patent infringement is unethical.
Everyone copies and that's the way it is. With that said, some companies have no vision and primarily copy versus innovate in a particular space. I see Google and Microsoft in this regard. Yes, I know the Android and Microsoft fans will jump up on tables screaming heresy but again this is just my opinion. Why do I think this?
1. When Apple was making the iPhone, Google was making their own phone. It was well written that as soon as Apple dropped their phone, Google started over and copied. This isn't vision, this is straight up copying Microsoft style.
2. Android L release is the same thing. Apple decides to shake the industry up and change look and design of their OS. Cute colors and layered interface. A year later, Google decides to do the same damn thing. Again, this isn't vision or leading the industry, it's following.
3. 64 bit falls in the same category. Apple didn't invent it and their phones don't have a need for it to my knowledge but a year later, Google jumps in when they probably should have been the first to do it. Their code is not optimized and vendors throw crazy specs at it just to make it smooth.
4. Android Auto, Android TV and so on leads to the same conclusion. Copy cats. Why? Because just like the Android phone, they wait to see someone else's vision then go from there.
Google and Microsoft are followers not leaders in the consumer markets for the most part. Don't be surprised to see Microsoft revamping their OS design in the next release to keep up with the Jones'. If I was Apple, I would be mad too because you bust your ass to make a great product only for others to copy it and capitalize on it. Apple does copy as well and there is no denying this. They copy features from time to time but they are mostly visionary and in a leadership role for the market versus a wait and see what everyone else does first.
Again, this is my opinion and that is the whole point of message boards/platform is to share opinion and communicate with folks.
"Good artist copy, great artist steal." - Picaso
The vid below has Steve Jobs quoting Picaso.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW0DUg63lqU
And he admits to being "shameless" to stealing great ideas.
Discuss.
I don't disagree with a lot here, but to say Google has no vision is to ignore the vast amounts of things they do elsewhere (and arguably even with Android). If you want to talk about Google as a company as a whole... take the blinders off.
And Apple doesn't "wait and see what everyone else does first"? You're kidding, right? If anything, that's mostly what they do. The trick, though, is they learn from others mistakes and missteps and repackages and redelivers it in a way that feels new, all in an attempt to offer a better experience. Nothing wrong with this, of course, but you'd have to be truly daft to think they don't "wait and see."
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Again, you gloss over my posts without absorbing the content. You then take bits and pieces out of context to justify your rant. You will notice that I said that was all in a particular space. I never said Google as a whole and I don't give a damn about wifi weather balloons. We are talking about phones. You will also notice that I said several times in my reply that Apple copies as well. I think the difference in copying between the 3 is noticeable. Apple will copy a few distinct features and such. Google and Microsoft will copy the entire OS design, products, and so on with a few twists. Another example would be Siri. Now you see MS and Google doing Google Now and Cortana. Apple drives the industry and is the leader in that space. If there is a rumor about healthkits and watches all over the Apple fan websites, you don't think Samsung and crew aren't paying attention to Apple moves? Wait until Apple drops their iWatch, if it's completely different from Samsung and Android crap, you will see the next version start matching up to Apple's product/vision. Bet on it!
If anyone is wearing blinders and considered daft, it would be you. Everyone can see plain as day all the copying Google and Microsoft has done but apparently you don't? Make no mistake, I don't really care one way or another. It's nice to see features and OS design look standard across platforms to a degree I guess. I'm not into Google products and services though. The saying goes that if you aren't paying for the product or service, you are the product.