Push option for gmail?

[scotty588]

Yeah as far as I know and everything I've read you can't use Google Apps with @gmail.com email. If that was possible, I would have ditched NuevaSync and just gone with Google.

I understand the basics as to what is going on in the background with push and the server being polled. Haven't had any issues with time outs or rejected credentials. I just wish I had native support for it like Gmail did before. I don't want to use any tricks with forwarding email around to here and there. I also don't want to set it to fetch every 15 minutes because that's a drain on battery and I want notifications faster.

What are the differences between Google Sync and Exchange Active Sync?

As far as discounted iTunes gift cards, I've only seen them maybe at most $10 cheaper than face value. Is that what you get them for?

 

[gordon1234]

Yeah as far as I know and everything I've read you can't use Google Apps with @gmail.com email. If that was possible, I would have ditched NuevaSync and just gone with Google.

I understand the basics as to what is going on in the background with push and the server being polled. Haven't had any issues with time outs or rejected credentials. I just wish I had native support for it like Gmail did before. I don't want to use any tricks with forwarding email around to here and there. I also don't want to set it to fetch every 15 minutes because that's a drain on battery and I want notifications faster.

What are the differences between Google Sync and Exchange Active Sync?

As far as discounted iTunes gift cards, I've only seen them maybe at most $10 cheaper than face value. Is that what you get them for?

Google Sync originally just meant syncing data from your Google account using Microsoft Exchange. This is how Push used to be accomplished on the iPhone. This was straight-up Exchange ActiveSync licensed from Microsoft. Google has a good explanation of this service here.

Today, the "Google Sync" term appears to have been recycled to mean anything and everything related to syncing Google content to various devices. There does not appear to be any one protocol or method associated with the term at this point.

If you have a paid Google Apps account and want push support (for Mail, Contacts, and Calendars), you continue to use Exchange ActiveSync. You add the account to your device just like you would add any other Exchange server. Google has instructions for doing this here. This is required for push on iOS because the only two push protocols Apple Mail supports are ActiveSync and whatever proprietary protocol Apple is using for iCloud.

 

[lancashirehotpot]

I solved this by logging into my gmail and setting it to automatically forward all emails to my iCloud email address. Now they get sent to that and pushed to my iPhone. Works well.

 

[campyguy]

This was straight-up Exchange ActiveSync licensed from Microsoft.

Respectfully, no. I used Google Apps, for 5 years. Google did not implement several - over a dozen, at least, features of EAS. I've also licensed an Exchange Server since 2003 and now have Office 365 and a Exchange Server (2013). I'll cherrypick a few: no support for follow-up flags, no synchronization of SMS messages with a user's Exchange mailbox, no enhanced device security through password policies, no Enhanced Exchange Search. Not "straight up" EAS. Google Sync did not, and still does not compare to EAS - but, it's Google Sync, still a compelling product on its own for people/entities looking to save a buck and roll craps at the table.

At less than $.50 more per CAL per month Google Sync isn't even worth the cost "premium" - I was NEVER able to get someone on the phone directly. EVER. Submit a claim, get a code, wait - that's Google. I can get a live support person with my O365 subscription, 24/7 - that's worth 4 bits a month per CAL to me. I could blow through 30 minutes waiting for a snob employed by Google to get back to me - my far-more-expensive Exchange Server was more cost-effective per user hour than Google's cloud "solution".

Before you bash me, respectfully, read up: https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa998357(v=exchg.150).aspx - cut to the "Features" section. I interviewed IT guys this week, and had to put up with FUD and posturing all week trying to get me and my company to switch to Google Apps to save a few bucks, and it was fun - for me - hitting them over the head (with the contents of that link) and other tidbits when they tried to push me to Google's "services".

 

[ranini]

use outlook app ,works great! best one for me.

 

[FloridaGary]

i just realized that there is no push option for gmail in settings. The best option seems to be to fetch every 15 minutes. Is there a way to enable push?

Thanks.

Same for yahoo mail.

 

[gordon1234]

Respectfully, no. I used Google Apps, for 5 years. Google did not implement several - over a dozen, at least, features of EAS. I've also licensed an Exchange Server since 2003 and now have Office 365 and a Exchange Server (2013). I'll cherrypick a few: no support for follow-up flags, no synchronization of SMS messages with a user's Exchange mailbox, no enhanced device security through password policies, no Enhanced Exchange Search. Not "straight up" EAS. Google Sync did not, and still does not compare to EAS - but, it's Google Sync, still a compelling product on its own for people/entities looking to save a buck and roll craps at the table.

It uses the Exchange protocol for sync and push. That's what I mean by "straight-up" Exchange. Google Push is 100% Exchange based. That was its whole reason for existing - to use the Exchange protocol to provide features otherwise unavailable. Yes, it doesn't implement many advanced features of Exchange - just basic push syncing.

 

[sziehr]

Google Apps for Work - https://www.google.com/work/apps/business/pricing.html - you can keep your Gmail email address. Two of my friends use it, and love it.

One "thing" that people I've talked with and threads that I've read here is that they're missing the whole meaning of "push" notifications and the resulting "synching" that goes with it. The push notification will let you know about the event, and then you'd open your application to sync via fetch the actual content you're looking for (email, calendaring, etc.) - the part that gets "missed" is that the server will timeout or reject credentials if that sync-via-fetch occurs too often (generally less than 15 minutes) and that paying more for "push notifications" won't change that potential for timeouts or rejected credentials. I'm not an IT guy - I'm a civil engineer who runs a small company, and I found all of this out by reading the TOS. I moved an Exchange Server to a co-located facility so now I don't have to worry about all of my guys hammering on a cloud service that will boot some of them out.

Paying more for "push" won't get your better or priority service regarding push notifications. The use of Outlook or Cloudmagic only masks what's really going on in the background - their servers are polling another server. Given that, if you have another app or iOS device or desktop client polling in addition to the Outlook/Cloudmagic/NuevaSync polling (and subsequent fetching of the messages) - you'll get timeouts and/or rejected credentials because the Gmail account you have is getting polled more often than they request (see that link in my earlier post - the Business accounts have the same restrictions).

FWIW, I switched my own Google Apps to Office 365, and I pay about the same amount per month and the service is IMHO better; I buy discounted iTS cards and pay for my O365 account via an IAP. The Google Apps Business service still uses Google Sync - not Exchange ActiveSync, and I prefer EAS.

Actually i have been to the links you listed before and as i thought it now wants you to provide them a domain. I can not keep the @gmail.com domain. If i am going to domain shift. I might as well just move away from google since they decided to screw me in the first place.

 

[gordon1234]

Actually i have been to the links you listed before and as i thought it now wants you to provide them a domain. I can not keep the @gmail.com domain. If i am going to domain shift. I might as well just move away from google since they decided to screw me in the first place.

If you switch to your own domain, you'll be able to switch email providers at any point in the future without losing your address. I highly recommend that.

It's also worth mentioning that no free email provider supports mobile push in a form that works with all email clients. Google was the sole exception for a time. It's more a technological decision than anything. There is no free push protocol that is suitable for mobile. EAS is the only true multi-client, multi-platform push system, and it's expensive to license.

 

[KALLT]

Same for yahoo mail.

Actually, Yahoo does support push. They collaborated with Apple when the iPhone 3G was introduced. You just need to make sure that you set it up with Apple’s default configuration (and not set up a generic IMAP account). iCloud, Yahoo Mail and Outlook are the only providers that support some form of push on iOS out of the box.

I wouldn’t use any third-party app just for push notifications. The only way in which this works is by handing over your account credentials and giving full access to a third party’s server. This is really not something you should consider too quickly.

Either you live with fetch, you use Google’s own Gmail app, you find a way to get Gmail with Exchange support or you get another provider.

 

[stulaw11]

I wouldn’t use any third-party app just for push notifications. The only way in which this works is by handing over your account credentials and giving full access to a third party’s server. This is really not something you should consider too quickly.

Except that's a VERY rudimentary explanation and misunderstanding without getting into OAuth along with 2-step authentication protections.

 

[KALLT]

Except that's a VERY rudimentary explanation and misunderstanding without getting into OAuth along with 2-step authentication protections.

Not at all, that’s the gist of it. These apps need server access to your mail account and users generally are not able to identify the security model behind the app, even when OAuth is used. Most of the apps I’ve seen don’t make this clear at all and I’d wager that most users don’t ever realise what they are doing.

 

[gordon1234]

Not at all, that’s the gist of it. These apps need server access to your mail account and users generally are not able to identify the security model behind the app, even when OAuth is used. Most of the apps I’ve seen don’t make this clear at all and I’d wager that most users don’t ever realise what they are doing.

I think you have a point. OAuth is pretty solid security if it's being used for client-side authentication (to download mail directly from Google to your phone's email client, for instance) but if the token is being used so a third-party can manipulate your mail remotely on their own servers, which most iOS email clients do for additional functionality like universal push, snoozing, etc, then your data is only as secure as the third-party's servers.

 

[sziehr]

If you switch to your own domain, you'll be able to switch email providers at any point in the future without losing your address. I highly recommend that.

It's also worth mentioning that no free email provider supports mobile push in a form that works with all email clients. Google was the sole exception for a time. It's more a technological decision than anything. There is no free push protocol that is suitable for mobile. EAS is the only true multi-client, multi-platform push system, and it's expensive to license.

My heart breaks for them not really.

They got to scan all my data as it came through there servers they could have cross licensed it from MSFT with a cross patent deal but they decided not to. This was not a technical decision it was a we can make more money off them if we shove them into our app and save money on the EAS.

technically they had no issue supporting it before till they decided they wanted to push for more android supremacy.

 

[stulaw11]

My heart breaks for them not really.

They got to scan all my data as it came through there servers they could have cross licensed it from MSFT with a cross patent deal but they decided not to. This was not a technical decision it was a we can make more money off them if we shove them into our app and save money on the EAS.

technically they had no issue supporting it before till they decided they wanted to push for more android supremacy.

Of course Android was the issue not that gmail stopped working with EAS. I've seen the excuse the Google had to shell out money for EAS to Microsoft, and Im sure it wasn't cheap, but they did it fine for years. They wanted to make Android their gmail device with push, unless you wanted to pay for it.

So much for "not being evil"

 

[sziehr]

Of course Android was the issue not that gmail stopped working with EAS. I've seen the excuse the Google had to shell out money for EAS to Microsoft, and Im sure it wasn't cheap, but they did it fine for years. They wanted to make Android their gmail device with push, unless you wanted to pay for it.

So much for "not being evil"

This is very true. They really wanted you into the app which had more than just email scanning but targeted adds. They even quietly took away the place to pay them and just retain the @gmail.com right around the time they stopped EAS for non-paying users. So if i have to switch all my email over i might as well just move to something cheap like @me.com or to a real domain i own. Such is the end of the love affair of gmail. I was like a early beta tester for it. Gmail was a revolutionary product and they kinda squandered it in the quest for more money (either from ads in the app or push you to go all google with a droid purchase). This is why when i had a client ask me to set them up on paid google apple i promptly directed them to Microsoft 360 cloud cause it was similar cost.

 

[stulaw11]

This is very true. They really wanted you into the app which had more than just email scanning but targeted adds. They even quietly took away the place to pay them and just retain the @gmail.com right around the time they stopped EAS for non-paying users. So if i have to switch all my email over i might as well just move to something cheap like @me.com or to a real domain i own. Such is the end of the love affair of gmail. I was like a early beta tester for it. Gmail was a revolutionary product and they kinda squandered it in the quest for more money (either from ads in the app or push you to go all google with a droid purchase). This is why when i had a client ask me to set them up on paid google apple i promptly directed them to Microsoft 360 cloud cause it was similar cost.

Luckily I got in with a Google Apps/business account for my domain before they started charging- but no push email. That's the only reason I still use gmail really- it's still free and saves me money; and I sue a 3rd party email app on my iphone which receives emails quickly unlike the stock app which polls every x min. If I had to switch if they end the free Goole Apps then Office 365 is a much better product and only $2-3 more per month for a single user.

Plus you get Office with that and some other goodies and a ton more storage space. I can't say i've ever found drive or google docs/sheets helpful. Drive because it shares space with gmail which my gmail is already occupying (only get COMBINED 15gb which is way way too small for both gmail and Drive for my client files), and docs/sheets because they're just not standard MS extensions and a pain to work with. I end up using Dropbox for files and not touching Drive.

 

[sziehr]

Luckily I got in with a Google Apps/business account for my domain before they started charging- but no push email. That's the only reason I still use gmail really- it's still free and saves me money; and I sue a 3rd party email app on my iphone which receives emails quickly unlike the stock app which polls every x min. If I had to switch if they end the free Goole Apps then Office 365 is a much better product and only $2-3 more per month for a single user.

Plus you get Office with that and some other goodies and a ton more storage space. I can't say i've ever found drive or google docs/sheets helpful. Drive because it shares space with gmail which my gmail is already occupying (only get COMBINED 15gb which is way way too small for both gmail and Drive for my client files), and docs/sheets because they're just not standard MS extensions and a pain to work with. I end up using Dropbox for files and not touching Drive.

I have moved to using @me.com as i bough the storage for iCloud for my pictures and 50 gigs for pictures backups and email is more than enough.
I would rather spend that money towards a dropbox like item that i will actually use for more than just word excel and power point. I know you get some sky drive amount but 1tb is so tempting I may just have to upgrade my dropbox. Hey amazon do you want to kill dropbox since dropbox is on your AWS just clone them and make it part of prime

 

[LordQ]

Dump Gmail and use iCloud Mail or Outlook.

 

[Ash Pole]

use outlook app ,works great! best one for me.

Nope...I'm not having my gmail password stored on Microsoft's servers.

I don't see the big deal with needing push. Set the device to check every 15 minutes. Worst case is you are 15 minutes away from your next notification. I've been using email since it was invented and I've never had an email so profound that it couldn't wait 15 minutes.

Agreed, If the message is that urgent the sender can send a text or call.
Hillary Clinton should have stuck with iMessages...her emails will cost her the nomination.

 

[dfgddikf]

iCloud, Yahoo Mail and Outlook are the only providers that support some form of push on iOS out of the box.

Fastmail supports Apples push system even better than iCloud mail. Push on all folders and if you mark a mail read on the server, its new state will be pushed to the device.

 

[AVonGauss]

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[electronicsguy]

There's so much FUD out there about "push" and Gmail. Short version, if you want push notifications you'll need to pony up some coin for a paid account. For the same $$$ as Google Apps I went with Office 365 - I'd rather use ActiveSync over "Google Sync" any day.

I don't think this is true. Isn't the short version: If you want push gmail on Ios, use the gmail app and not the native one? the gmail app is free and google supports push with it. read here: https://gigaom.com/2013/07/05/push-alternatives-for-your-gmail-messages-on-ios/

 

[electronicsguy]

Different strokes. I often get emails where not responding immediately would have consequences. I wish I didn't, but such is life.

gordon, I'm just curious.. what exactly is the near-real-time need for email for you? Could you tell us what the job is?

 

[gordon1234]

gordon, I'm just curious.. what exactly is the near-real-time need for email for you? Could you tell us what the job is?

I work in IT and my company often uses email in a real-time sort of way. It's not unusual for my boss to send something out and expect a response in 5 minutes. I don't think that's at all uncommon in the industry. I have a pretty aggressive set of server-side filters so that email that isn't important gets routed to different locations and doesn't notify me. If it hits my inbox, I need to know about it ASAP though.