>sigh< Yes. And in retrospect, I probably didn’t even need to begin it. But I got triggered by trolls.
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iPad Pro Q: What’s a Computer?
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Apple was ready to launch tablet, Steve told the team, shrink it to the phone as go to market strategy. So it was a tablet that evolved to iPhone.
Why stop there, if luddites had their way we would be still stuck with floppy drives and disk tape. Are you also complaining about vacuum tubes and those giant TV boxes from past.
The iPad by itself can be used as a consumption device and the odd task requiring creativity but not for very long. With the keyboard attachment it is more productive but let down by the poor iPad OS. iPad OS is basically a neutered macOS to prevent you being as efficient to stop eroding Mac sales. This is the big problem that the iPad has of being secondary to the Mac. We'll need to wait and see what iPad OS upgrades are realized next month to see if the M4 iPad has any utility to people.
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iPad is a computer. iPhone is a computer. Watch is a computer. AppleTV is a computer. Vpro is a computer.
Any computing tech can be tagged a computer by simply adapting words in a definition. Is there at least some computing being done in my air fryer? Yes? I proclaim the air fryer is a computer. Is there lots of computing being done in my car? Yes? I proclaim the car a computer. I have motion sensing light switches. Computing is being done in there. Is a light switch a computer? Yes it is... or no it is not- just ask another person or two.
Any given device is or is not a computer based upon an "eye of the beholder" stance. One can readily argue that an iDevice/Watch/AppleTV or air fryer is or is not a computer and be right per their own role as judge in that debate.
Can iDevices stand in for a traditional "computer"? Of course they can. Can a computer stand in for iDevices? I've made many a call on my Mac (via VOIP app) and probably text more on my Mac than on my iDevices. So my Mac is also a PHONE through MY judgement filter. I bet a LOT of people could very passionately argue a Mac is NOT a phone... and they are absolutely right through their filter.
There is no final word or final answer to this topic. Any one reply will 100% (or more) agree while another will 100% (or more) disagree. Both are right or wrong depending on who is playing judge. Odds are high that through their own lenses- and thus their own judgement- they are absolutely right. Those in between the extremes will lean to some degree in each direction but there will definitely be pockets leaning BOTH ways.
iPad is a fine computer. iPad is not a computer. Both are:
Incidentally, THIS post is better than that post! Who dares to think differently?
Any computing tech can be tagged a computer by simply adapting words in a definition. Is there at least some computing being done in my air fryer? Yes? I proclaim the air fryer is a computer. Is there lots of computing being done in my car? Yes? I proclaim the car a computer. I have motion sensing light switches. Computing is being done in there. Is a light switch a computer? Yes it is... or no it is not- just ask another person or two.
Any given device is or is not a computer based upon an "eye of the beholder" stance. One can readily argue that an iDevice/Watch/AppleTV or air fryer is or is not a computer and be right per their own role as judge in that debate.
Can iDevices stand in for a traditional "computer"? Of course they can. Can a computer stand in for iDevices? I've made many a call on my Mac (via VOIP app) and probably text more on my Mac than on my iDevices. So my Mac is also a PHONE through MY judgement filter. I bet a LOT of people could very passionately argue a Mac is NOT a phone... and they are absolutely right through their filter.
There is no final word or final answer to this topic. Any one reply will 100% (or more) agree while another will 100% (or more) disagree. Both are right or wrong depending on who is playing judge. Odds are high that through their own lenses- and thus their own judgement- they are absolutely right. Those in between the extremes will lean to some degree in each direction but there will definitely be pockets leaning BOTH ways.
iPad is a fine computer. iPad is not a computer. Both are:
- correct to whoever offers either reply.
- wrong to whoever feels differently.
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Incidentally, THIS post is better than that post! Who dares to think differently?
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Cool so those are the things you like about it.. what don't you like? sorry, just not grieving here for the glory days of spinning rust and loose sockets, and typing in your password a 1000 times a day. But you be greedily you and hold on to yesterday. One thing we can agree on, Tim Cook knows how to make money from great tech. Guess thats why Apple is the biggest company in the world. Time for a new narrative.
I hear you and that’s a cool story for sure and we cannot look inside of their RD department for fact checking. Apple launched one product first and the other one is very closely related to it, especially in the early years. Whether you see the phone as a small iPad or vice versa is ultimately rather pointless. They are very closely related and both exceed at slightly different tasks due to form factor and input options.
Well I do think spinning hard drives are certainly best left in the past, replaceable memory is something I wish we still had at least for desktops and will be one thing I miss when I retire my iMac.
Sure, iPad, iPhone, and Mac are all computers. Different form factors and capabilities for different uses. Not sure what more there is to say about this.
A single wedding in 4k can take up a terabyte, so some of us still need external platter drives for long term storage. But having an SSD dangling off of a 5 inch USBc cable is clumsy and inelegant, and much slower than the obvious alternative that PC users take for granted. Apple will sell elegance when it is cheap, but I'm tired of being made to jump through hoops. I don't recommend Macs to my friends anymore.
so... an external disk of spinning rust (hard drive was the word, not NVME) is somehow more elegant than an external SSD? explain that one to me. But hey, we aren't talking about laptops now are we? or are you advocating a platter in your laptop? which is what the previous discussion was about. I myself own two Synology NAS systems with a combined storage of over 50 tb, so its not like I am against hard drives, but its stupid to call Tim Cook 'greedy' to leave them to those that need them, external.
btw. a 4k movie takes about 22 gb per hour. 1 tb for a wedding? At 45 hours, thats a mighty long wedding. You can't tell me every one of those 45 hours are meaningful. Not the point.
I wouldn't recommend an Apple to you either
. But I do recommend them to people that emphasize convenience and long-lifetime.
This is the biggest waste of storage on a server I’ve ever seen. Who cares?
I haven’t bought an Apple workstation/desktop in over a decade. My last Mac mini was 2009, and MacPro was 2012 version. I replaced my 2012 MacPro with an AmD/Nvidia workstation. I love ability to replace or upgrade memory in my workstations. However, with unified memory packaged with SoC, it’s a game changer for Apple. My M1 Max MBP with 64 GB memory does way more than my work station with 128 GB RAM and 24 GB GPU memory.
My next workstation may be Mac Studio if Apple comes with 512 GB RAM or even 256 GB. A similar set up with Nvidia would cost few 100 K. It’s not greed, it’s progress.
I'll probably get a Mac Mini later this year, Apple silicon is a game changer.
I honestly don't pay the people who claim "X isn't pro!" any attention. I'm convinced those people don't do any actual professional work they just whine about not having every bell and whistle imaginable on a device.
My "un-pro" M2 MacBook Air had tons of code written on it, lots of 3D work done on it, lots of music made on it, lots of videos edited on it. I also work off my iPad all the time and have done many of the things above on it.
Whatever you get your work done on is a professional device.
My "un-pro" M2 MacBook Air had tons of code written on it, lots of 3D work done on it, lots of music made on it, lots of videos edited on it. I also work off my iPad all the time and have done many of the things above on it.
Whatever you get your work done on is a professional device.
He didn't add a notch, he subtracted wasted bezel space which the menu bar lives in now, giving more room.
I'm actually starting to think that I can replace my MBA with an iPad, then use my desktop PC and Steam Deck for the more nerdy use cases where iOS is too limiting. Especially now that Apple has loosened the restrictions on emulators under iOS, I'm not sure I require a full laptop anymore.
To me they're all computers, but I've always considered my iOS devices as more appliance-like than my more traditional machines. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but going to an iPad as my primary device will force me to rethink decades of how I normally interact with MacOS or Windows/Linux.
To me they're all computers, but I've always considered my iOS devices as more appliance-like than my more traditional machines. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but going to an iPad as my primary device will force me to rethink decades of how I normally interact with MacOS or Windows/Linux.
Trying to make excel spreadsheets on the iPad sucks. The iPad isn't a computer so please stop convincing yourselves it is
It is a computer. I worked on spacecraft that have computers in them and they aren't too good with spreadsheets, either.
Finally! The end-all-be-all method of determining what is and isn't a computer - Microsoft Excel! /s
Excel is missing features on Mac, too. Are Macs not computers because excel is worse on them?
As an accountant and big excel user, I can second that Excel on Mac is limited in many ways (no powerpivot for example)
Excel peaked 20-25 years ago. In this age of data science lot of companies are moving away from excel. No one wants data in silos, except for nice applications. Recently I worked with a large lender with spreadsheets calculating values, adjustments, interest rates, and other calculations. It was a nightmare, how these guys were working all these days, when you can have API integrations to automate most of the data collection, analysis, and risk decisions.
Excel on Mac wouldn’t do what these guys were doing. Accounting, investment banking firms are well on their way to move out of spreadsheet and manual work.
That’s the thing about MacRumors. I’m sure that there are more rabid anti-Apple trolls on this board than “Apple cultists” or nuanced Apple fans combined. Then there’s the matter of astroturf, MacRumors is a big enough and prominent enough board that I can’t help but suspect there are active Astroturfing campaigns going on here (mostly Samsung, Google, Xiaomi/other Chinese Android firms, maybe also Microsoft, Meta, Epic, and Spotify).