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Qualcomm revealed X Elite's benchmark scores

One thing is clear, this transition ain't even half as good as it was with Apple & Rosetta. A lot of people complaining basic stuff like some VPNs ain't working for example.

Xiao_Xi said:
For those interested in a Snapdragon X-based laptop on Linux, a Phoronix user has written up his first impression of his new Dell XPS 13 Snapdragon X.

Freedreno Gallium3D Driver Now Enables The Snapdragon X1 Elite/Plus SoC's GPU - Phoronix Forums

Phoronix: Freedreno Gallium3D Driver Now Enables The Snapdragon X1 Elite/Plus SoC's GPU The Freedreno Gallium3D driver that started out a decade ago providing reverse-engineered, open-source 3D driver support for Qualcomm Adreno hardware has now enabled support for the X1-85 GPU that is found...
www.phoronix.com

Time will tell if these laptops live up to expectations. I hope more and more people will write their impressions about Snapdragon X-based notebooks.
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I mean full support is only coming on Kernel 6.11... so until then we better just wait and see..

Thanks for the post though always good to see some impressions, I didn't manage to try it on Linux with the Dell Latitude we had.
 
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I wonder how popular this Qualcomm-based Mac mini type computer would be at $899.

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Ah the Dev Kit machine is finally being released - sorta ... late August.

This is the machine they were talking about waiting on below:
Xiao_Xi said:
It seems that notebook manufacturers are not very happy with Microsoft and Qualcomm.

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Ah the Dev Kit machine is finally being released - sorta ... late August.

This is the machine they were talking about waiting on below:
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Xiao_Xi said:
I wonder how popular this Qualcomm-based Mac mini type computer would be at $899.

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That's a great price point when compared to the M2 Pro Mac mini with 32GB of unified memory ($1999) 😅
 
Qualcom Snapdragon x-series devices for $700 coming in 2025

“As we look forward to 2025, in addition to new design wins, our X series product roadmap will expand to address PCs with retail prices as low as $700 without compromising NPU performance,” Qualcomm CEO and president Cristiano Amon just said on the company’s Q3 2024 earnings call.
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  • more PC product announcements are coming at IFA, which begins the first weekend of September
  • expects the business will be “slow and steady as the market transitions.”
  • some Snapdragon X PCs have already sold out.
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until 2025...probably mid 2025, "inflation" will make that $700 around "$900
So dont trust something that will come months, for now its just pure marketing
 
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until 2025...probably mid 2025, "inflation" will make that $700 around "$900
So dont trust something that will come months, for now its just pure marketing
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Nonsense. Inflation is subsiding, and QC is well aware of it to the extent that it's an issue at all.

QC has failed to execute in a number of ways, making the SXE not at all the slam dunk it was imagined to be earlier on. But this sort of thing is entirely within their power to control. If they say they're going to do that, then it's extremely likely that they will. Now, how good that product will be... that's another matter.
 
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Nonsense. Inflation is subsiding, and QC is well aware of it to the extent that it's an issue at all.

QC has failed to execute in a number of ways, making the SXE not at all the slam dunk it was imagined to be earlier on. But this sort of thing is entirely within their power to control. If they say they're going to do that, then it's extremely likely that they will. Now, how good that product will be... that's another matter.
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for us is "subsiding" for them is a term to hide behind. Again , wait until 2025..is a long way to go...for now, its non official and its just pure marketing garbage

I agree that product can be a very low end to hit that $700...that can be their way to keep their "promise" of the price since they didnt mention what kind of specs/performance we can expect for that price point
But again, M4 mac mini can be $700, but an QC similar power for the same price? Im 100% it wont
My take they will make a mac mini copy, no display, just a box with their previous (current) generation 2024 of their low W package 28W if im not mistaken
 
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I don‘t see the point of Snapdragon X. The AMD HTX 370 restricted at 28W is simply a better chip, even if it is x86. It wins in pretty much every case, and for the cases that Snapdragon X wins, it’s not by much.

And the best thing, with AMD you have all of your software 100% working.

There are very nice PC ultra portable laptops with the AMD HTX 370 that offer superior value over a MacBook Air, as they come with 120hz OLED displays, 32GB RAM and 1TB SSD’s.
 
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To Arm Windows have a real problem, applications! I really don't see need beside uber geeks on YouTube!
 
MayaUser said:
for us is "subsiding" for them is a term to hide behind. Again , wait until 2025..is a long way to go...for now, its non official and its just pure marketing garbage

I agree that product can be a very low end to hit that $700...that can be their way to keep their "promise" of the price since they didnt mention what kind of specs/performance we can expect for that price point
But again, M4 mac mini can be $700, but an QC similar power for the same price? Im 100% it wont
My take they will make a mac mini copy, no display, just a box with their previous (current) generation 2024 of their low W package 28W if im not mistaken
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Your first paragraph is incomprehensible, so I have no response to it.

As for the second, I agree that QC could not compete with a base config m4 Mac Mini... if it existed. It doesn't. The actual existing m2 Mac Mini is cheaper than their dev kit by $300, but if you try to match up RAM and SSD (you can't, the mini only supports 24GB and the QC comes with 32GB) the Mini is $300 *more*. So the CQ dev kit is at least a reasonable value, given the inferior ST but better MT performance.

Of course none of that really matters as the comparisons most people will be making will be against Z5 or Lunar Lake. QC *will* have that $700 box, and cheaper too, or they'll be out of the game fast.
 
I recall reading that Linux came out a couple hundred points higher but I don't recall the source. Probably not too hard to find.
 
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I recall reading that Linux came out a couple hundred points higher but I don't recall the source. Probably not too hard to find.
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Most of the released Elite X laptops appear to be using the lower end X Elite X1E-78-100 and not the highest end X1E-00-1DE. But there is a version of the Surface laptop that does use the high-end SoC. So my search for Geekbench 6 results with linux have not been successful
 
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Most of the released Elite X laptops appear to be using the lower end X Elite X1E-78-100 and not the highest end X1E-00-1DE. But there is a version of the Surface laptop that does use the high-end SoC. So my search for Geekbench 6 results with linux have not been successful
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I meant, search for reviews containing the word Linux and Geekbench.

EDIT: Doing so quickly found https://www.cnx-software.com/2023/1...-x-elite-soc-benchmarks-in-windows-and-linux/, showing a roughly 250pt increase in the 80W profile when running under Linux.

I don't vouch for that site; if you don't trust it, look some more.
 
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I meant, search for reviews containing the word Linux and Geekbench.

EDIT: Doing so quickly found https://www.cnx-software.com/2023/1...-x-elite-soc-benchmarks-in-windows-and-linux/, showing a roughly 250pt increase in the 80W profile when running under Linux.

I don't vouch for that site; if you don't trust it, look some more.
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Did they fixed the power management woes on Linux? As I recall, the previously reported higher benchmark results on Linux were attributed to absence of proper power management, meaning that the CPU was always running full steam and without power saving features.
 
leman said:
Did they fixed the power management woes on Linux? As I recall, the previously reported higher benchmark results on Linux were attributed to absence of proper power management, meaning that the CPU was always running full steam and without power saving features.
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No idea, I haven't looked into this.
 
leman said:
How would that work? Any third-party GPU means foregoing the unified memory. Does Qualcomm even support third-party GPUs?
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It’s not there yet. But they have to merge Adreno and Oryon votes in to single SOC like Apple did with AS. I would love something portable and decently powered Linux system.
 
TechnoMonk said:
It’s not there yet. But they have to merge Adreno and Oryon votes in to single SOC like Apple did with AS. I would love something portable and decently powered Linux system.
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I'm a little confused, they did? It's just that the Adreno part of the Snapdragon Elite SOC is underpowered both relative to the CPU and its competitors. But the Snapdragon Elite SOC is a full SOC: CPU, NPU, GPU, accelerators, etc ... How improved v2 will be remains to be seen. Other options: AMD has the Strix Point (and soon Halo) line, Intel is readying Lunar Lake, and reportedly Nvidia/MediaTek are going to release a new product with a new ARM based system next year. These should all offer improved perf/W compared to what's been out there for Linux users previously (unless you count using Asahi Linux on your AS Mac which is another option). It just depends on what you are looking for.

Obviously Apple's SOC lineup is still in a league of its own, especially in its CPU cores, but there are other viable options here. I'd classify most of the chips currently out there as Mx Pro equivalents give or take - though for some of them the GPU is closer to a base M processor in terms of practical performance. The upcoming Halo is possibly going to be closer to a Mx Max analog and not much is known about the Nvidia-MediaTek chip(s).
 
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I'm a little confused, they did? It's just that the Adreno part of the Snapdragon Elite SOC is underpowered both relative to the CPU and its competitors. But the Snapdragon Elite SOC is a full SOC: CPU, NPU, GPU, accelerators, etc ... How improved v2 will be remains to be seen. Other options: AMD has the Strix Point (and soon Halo) line, Intel is readying Lunar Lake, and reportedly Nvidia/MediaTek are going to release a new product with a new ARM based system next year. These should all offer improved perf/W compared to what's been out there for Linux users previously (unless you count using Asahi Linux on your AS Mac which is another option). It just depends on what you are looking for.

Obviously Apple's SOC lineup is still in a league of its own, especially in its CPU cores, but there are other viable options here. I'd classify most of the chips currently out there as Mx Pro equivalents give or take - though for some of them the GPU is closer to a base M processor in terms of practical performance. The upcoming Halo is possibly going to be closer to a Mx Max analog and not much is known about the Nvidia-MediaTek chip(s).
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I read that oryon cores, from acquisition of Nuvia are not yet fully integrated. I remember Qualcomm saying it will be in future iterations.
 
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