Oryon cores are most definitely integrated into the Elite SOC for PCs - the Oryon cores have yet to come to Qualcomm's mobile phone SOCs, is that what you are thinking of? Those are expected this fall.
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We are currently testing the HP Elitebook Ultra (arm) and first impressions from my college are that its impressive compared to the intel versions.
We won't be able to replace all Intel/AMD PC's straight away but it does look promising.
Battery time/power consumption is a lot better and I would say its the main driver for switching.
I'm still waiting for a Surface pro Arm testdevice and really looking forward getting my hands on it.
We won't be able to replace all Intel/AMD PC's straight away but it does look promising.
Battery time/power consumption is a lot better and I would say its the main driver for switching.
I'm still waiting for a Surface pro Arm testdevice and really looking forward getting my hands on it.
I was looking to buy some lower tier device but GPU seems super bad at the reviews (from around release), did they fix it already <for example do you try blender 3D or some games?>
I was under the impression that the GPU emulation was pretty good when looking at some youtube videos, but that's me comparing it to a regular Intel CPU discreete graphics with no added fancy GPU chip.
I prob won't try that many games on it as its more aimed as a testdevice to be used as an office machine.
I think we will see some pickups by large institutions like colleges and companies. I remember the last time I was issued a company laptop for coding they really didn’t care about games performance or GPU.
One more minor institutional factor -- the hope that some malware might be incompatible with Windows ARM, reducing the institution's overall risk.
It looks like Qualcomm will announce a cheaper model next week.
www.notebookcheck.net
Qualcomm's new Snapdragon X series CPU for affordable laptops leaks ahead of official debut
Earlier this month, Qualcomm's CEO and president Cristiano Amon promised new Snapdragon X series laptops that will be much cheaper than current options. The processor that will power these has just leaked, and it's an 8-core X Plus CPU with a significantly less capable GPU than the other CPUs in...
Interesting. For performance, that's barely competitive with an M1 MBA, I think. But if they can finally get some fanless designs with this chip, perhaps it's what they need to take a little more market share.It looks like Qualcomm will announce a cheaper model next week.
Qualcomm's new Snapdragon X series CPU for affordable laptops leaks ahead of official debut
Earlier this month, Qualcomm's CEO and president Cristiano Amon promised new Snapdragon X series laptops that will be much cheaper than current options. The processor that will power these has just leaked, and it's an 8-core X Plus CPU with a significantly less capable GPU than the other CPUs in...
Honestly though this first gen is very disappointing. Rather than a reason for Apple to keep innovating, it's more like a reason for Apple to relax. :-( ...which, fortunately, I expect they'll ignore.
Oh well, there's always gen 2.
Even worse, they're cutting the GPU performance down by quite a bit which was already a weaker element of the SOC - which means the fanless designs will be effectively crippled for anything other than the most basic of tasks.
This Plus SoC is intended for basic devices like the Surface (Laptop) Go's and other 400-800ish $ OEM devices.
They'll be just fine for everyday tasks, watching videos and such.
Usually SoCs and CPUs/GPUs like this are re-purposed higher end versions that had small manufacturing defects and thus cores and what not that are deactivated because they don't work properly.
Economically and ecologically better to repurpose them, than throw them away, while increasing the product range/market.
Could the Elite X/Plus 1st gens have been better: sure, however they are pretty awesome for a 1st gen overall IMO.
iirc 2nd Gen is supposed to launch in Summer 2025 already btw. Maybe that will have what you want from the platform.
They'll be just fine for everyday tasks, watching videos and such.
Usually SoCs and CPUs/GPUs like this are re-purposed higher end versions that had small manufacturing defects and thus cores and what not that are deactivated because they don't work properly.
Economically and ecologically better to repurpose them, than throw them away, while increasing the product range/market.
Could the Elite X/Plus 1st gens have been better: sure, however they are pretty awesome for a 1st gen overall IMO.
iirc 2nd Gen is supposed to launch in Summer 2025 already btw. Maybe that will have what you want from the platform.
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Lets hope so, but lets be honest if software isn't there (and it isn't currently) than +15% battery life compared to AMD won't win me i would just stay on my MacBook.
Software is a completely separate topic, but you are absolutely right it's a big issue - that will take lots of resources to make it better.
Apple thanks to being in full control of hardware and software will probably always keep that advantage.
iirc one of the next mainline Linux releases should have support for the Elite X/Plus 1 gen and their devices - so hopefully that will provide an good alternative to Windows.
Windows 11 itself - even tough it works - it's not fully (re)built up from the ground up for ARM, as Microsoft falsely stated. Lots of core components aren't ARM native yet, let alone all of their own apps and services.
other software, apps and services need driver optimizations or ARM ports.
Some X86-64 don't work (can't be installed or crash on startup outright) even with their forgot it's name Rosetta-pendant emulation/translation layer.
Still with AMD's new 300 AI whatever SoCs and supposedly Intel's Lunar Lake SoCs (TSMC made) it will be interesting to see how much X86-64 can improve regarding power efficeny and battery life especially.
For those who are looking for new device it's an exciting time, seemingly lots of good choices available (soon).
Apple thanks to being in full control of hardware and software will probably always keep that advantage.
iirc one of the next mainline Linux releases should have support for the Elite X/Plus 1 gen and their devices - so hopefully that will provide an good alternative to Windows.
Windows 11 itself - even tough it works - it's not fully (re)built up from the ground up for ARM, as Microsoft falsely stated. Lots of core components aren't ARM native yet, let alone all of their own apps and services.
other software, apps and services need driver optimizations or ARM ports.
Some X86-64 don't work (can't be installed or crash on startup outright) even with their forgot it's name Rosetta-pendant emulation/translation layer.
Still with AMD's new 300 AI whatever SoCs and supposedly Intel's Lunar Lake SoCs (TSMC made) it will be interesting to see how much X86-64 can improve regarding power efficeny and battery life especially.
For those who are looking for new device it's an exciting time, seemingly lots of good choices available (soon).
I'm more hyped for Arrow Lake (mostly for more powerful mini-PC with good GPU) but if i want to buy a windows laptop i'll sure go with Lunar Lake if they deliver on promises.
I can't see buying ARM with Windows to be a beta tester for both architecture and whole ecosystem, especially if both AMD and Intel can be in ~10% cost/power range to Qualcomm.
I can agree that Apple had a lot easier job to do they own whole stack and don't have a competition compared to Microsoft which don't own neither hardware nor full software stack on the system.
According to wccftech the Qualcomm Snapdragon X Plus 8-core CPU is up to 20% slower in CPU tests and 40% slower in 3DMark GPU benchmarks.
First Benchmarks of Qualcomm's Snapdragon X Plus "X1P-42-100" 8-Core CPU Leak Out, Miserably Low GPU Performance
First benchmarks of Qualcomm's Snapdragon X 8-Core CPU have been leaked, giving us a taste of entry-level Oryon & Adreno chips in Windows.
wccftech.com
Yeah and just to reinforce the conclusion that WCCFTECH already came to, unfortunately a 40% loss in GPU performance is substantial, especially for practical applications and games:According to wccftech the Qualcomm Snapdragon X Plus 8-core CPU is up to 20% slower in CPU tests and 40% slower in 3DMark GPU benchmarks.
First Benchmarks of Qualcomm's Snapdragon X Plus "X1P-42-100" 8-Core CPU Leak Out, Miserably Low GPU Performance
First benchmarks of Qualcomm's Snapdragon X 8-Core CPU have been leaked, giving us a taste of entry-level Oryon & Adreno chips in Windows.
AMD Zen 5 Strix Point iGPU analysis - Radeon 890M versus Intel Arc Graphics, Apple M3 and Qualcomm Adreno X1-85
Notebookcheck analysis of the new AMD Radeon 890M iGPU compared with the Intel Arc Graphics, Apple M3 and the Qualcomm Adreno X1-85.
The above is the 3.8TFlops Adreno GPU and you can already see that performance is on the low end compared to its competition in games/aplications/benchmarks.
Yeah I get all that, but as @komuh said the Qualcomm processor has to be substantially better in order to make up the software deficit (and all the issues of Windows on Arm that are still present and MS is still struggling with after all of this time) - everything you mention in your second post. The Snapdragon Elite SOC, all variants, would've been fine had it released much earlier, but given the proximity to Strix Point and Lunar Lake, ignoring Apple, it wasn't where it needed to be given its actual release window and software/ecosystem issues. The CPU is good, especially for ST tasks - but that also means that I likewise agree with @Confused-User that a focus on fanless designs for this SOC would've been better, again given its competition. Lean into that advantage. The X1P-64-100 is probably the closest to where I view the Snapdragon's optimal sweet spot is, maybe with the 4.6TFlops GPU. Basically the 8-10 core CPU model with their best GPU would've been the ideal mix. To me anyway - truthfully that is the closest to the base M2 SOC design from Apple, but I think Apple was quite right to have made that their base. It's why I think the focus on MT tasks in Qualcomm/MS' marketing and to a certain extent the SOC CPU design was not the best idea because AMD with SMT2 and c cores and Intel with their P/"E" cores can compete too well here and that's their primary competition for PC mindshare and the fanless Apple Air is what drove some people to the Apple ecosystem anyway.
So yes, we'll see what 2nd Gen brings, obviously hopefully, for their sake, improved CPU performance that puts more daylight between them and AMD/Intel, but even more important is better non-NPU accelerator performance, especially GPU, and most crucially improving the software and just general ecosystem/WoA experience. Obviously the last one isn't completely on them, but some of it is (like drivers and dev experience).
Aye but that excuse only gets MS so far given how long they've been trying to make WoA a thing.
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Currently running a few ARM testdevices at work (HP elitebook ultra) with Windows 11 and we have had zero problems with most office productivity software that is being used.
Batterytime is flippin good compared to the Intel equivalent and that alone is reason enough to be considering this.
But as always, legacy is what's holding us back and also the reason why we are stuck with Windows 10, Intel, VPN software and so on.
But there's definitely a place for arm in the near future.
Batterytime is flippin good compared to the Intel equivalent and that alone is reason enough to be considering this.
But as always, legacy is what's holding us back and also the reason why we are stuck with Windows 10, Intel, VPN software and so on.
But there's definitely a place for arm in the near future.
Old post I know, but these devices would be perfect for my work, since they’re looking to move more people towards remoting into an onsite server for heavier software tasks, rather than issuing more powerful (expensive) devices.
VPN software and drive encryption software are probably going to hold up institutional adoption.
That and Dell being in Intel’s pocket. They’re a big institutional partner after all.
Agreed, however I think a potential solution would be to not fully go an SoC route and have the cpu able to address a gpu that’s not on chip.
That is to say have the ability to run mobility AMD and Nvidia gpus. (I don’t know how technically feasible this is, but it should be possible in theory)
When they announced the Snapdragon SOC, Qualcomm said they were interested in supporting dGPUs in addition to the SOC GPU. However, obviously no designs have been released or even announced with a dGPU. While they would need ARM compatible drivers for Nvidia and AMD dGPUs, I strongly suspect the hold up is not technical.
Intel launches Lunar Lake with some ... interesting claims and often taking aim at Qualcomm's new Snapdragon Elite chips:
Last I checked 12.7 hours of battery life was better than 10.7 hours (and yes the Intel charts say the same thing). Regardless Intel even claims that their 8-cores (no SMT!) matches Apple M3's 8-cores in SpecInt MT perf/watt ... hmmmm ... compiled with Intel's special compiler no doubt (pretty standard for them when quoting SPEC results) ... still though, even if the gains aren't as impressive as they claim, they're still likely to be pretty good. They also claim to have a brand new fabric (this was one of Intel's previous weaknesses) and tout the advantages of abandoning SMT.
Last I checked 12.7 hours of battery life was better than 10.7 hours (and yes the Intel charts say the same thing). Regardless Intel even claims that their 8-cores (no SMT!) matches Apple M3's 8-cores in SpecInt MT perf/watt ... hmmmm ... compiled with Intel's special compiler no doubt (pretty standard for them when quoting SPEC results) ... still though, even if the gains aren't as impressive as they claim, they're still likely to be pretty good. They also claim to have a brand new fabric (this was one of Intel's previous weaknesses) and tout the advantages of abandoning SMT.
Some of the figures sound too good. I will wait for third party reviews to see if they are true.
Aye, that should be standard for all 1st party claims, and, yes, including Apple's
But right off the bat, some of these figures are pretty suspect, especially SPEC