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Question: How powerful of a graphics card will work in a beige Power Macintosh G3?
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The softstraps string starts a ROM offset 0x58 and ends at 0x6b with a checksum byte. This applies to all ROMs Mac or PC. So one way to approach it is to copy it from the BIOS of your card to the Mac ROM.
When the checksum is incorrect the softstaps get ignored, so the card will be set up based on hardware straps (resistors).
To calculate the checksum you have to add all the bytes (exclusive of the checksum itself) together using 8bit precision (i.e. you discard anything above the byte boundary, example: 6f7 = f7) and then negate it (using calculator: your result, Not, +, 1, =) When adding all the bytes together including the checksum your result should be "0".
The string is divided into 4 32 bit numbers + the last 4 bytes that I only know the meaning of the last one - the checksum.
The first one is the AND mask (allows you to set straps to "0") the second one is an OR mask (allows you to set straps to "1") for register 101000 what individual bits mean will follow. The second pair is the same for different set of straps, but I don't know the meaning of it, I'm pretty sure that's the place where you can enable features like pipes for 6800.
bit 0/1
0 PCI_AD_REVERSED /PCI_AD_NORMAL
1 SUB_VENDOR_NO_BIOS / SUB_VENDOR_BIOS
2 ramconfig
3 ramconfig
4 ramconfig
5 ramconfig
6 CRYSTAL_13M/ CRYSTAL_14M
7 tvmode 0 = SECAM 1 = NTSC
8 tvmode 2 = PAL 3 = DISABLED
9 AGP_4X_ENABLED /AGP_4X_DISABLED
10 SBA_ENABLED /SBA_DISABLED
11 FASTWR_ENABLED /FASTWR_DISABLED
12 pci did
13 pci did
14 BUS_TYPE_PCI /BUS_TYPE_AGP
15 FP_IFACE_24BIT /FP_IFACE_12BIT
16 macswitch
17 macswitch
18 BR_ENABLED /BR_DISABLED
19
20
21
22 Crystal_27M
23 Mem size 128M
24 Mem size 256M
25
26
27
28
29
30
31 read only /read/write
Thanks. Below is a list of the device fcode images from the decompressed result. The result of the detokenizations are in a different file. And the result converting the detokenizations to Forth is in another file. Let me know if you want any of it.
Code:
8931: 00A170: \ detokenizing start at offset 00A170
06E6C2: \ detokenizing finished after 410962 of 410962 bytes.
06E6C2: 0000 ".."
06E6C4: 0000 0000
06E6C8: 00000000 : previous device descriptor offset (0 = end of device_specs; the list starts at 0AE2E8 below)
FFFF FFFF : device_id vendor_id (-1 = any)
0000 0002 : device type or pci class (2 = scc)
00000000 : offset of fcode image starting from after this descriptor (0 = follows)
06E6D8: \ detokenizing start at offset 06E6D8
06EA2F: \ detokenizing finished after 855 of 855 bytes.
06EA2F: 00
06EA30: FFFFFC98 = 06E6C8
06EA34: FFFF FFFF
0000 000A : ata-3
00000000
06EA40: \ detokenizing start at offset 06EA40
0703FF: \ detokenizing finished after 6592 bytes.
0703FF: 00
070400: FFFFE630 = 06EA30
FFFF FFFF
0000 0007 : ata-6
00000000
070410: \ detokenizing start at offset 070410
0709C6: \ detokenizing finished after 1463 bytes.
0709C6: 0000
0709C8: FFFFFA38 = 070400
FFFF FFFF
0000 0006 : disk stuff
00000000
0709D8: \ detokenizing start at offset 0709D8
071E96: \ detokenizing finished after 5311 bytes.
071E96: 0000
071E98: FFFFEB30 = 0709C8
FFFF FFFF
0006 0700 : 060700 = class code: CardBus
00000000
071EA8: \ detokenizing start at offset 071EA8
073913: \ detokenizing finished after 6763 of 6763 bytes.
073913: 00
073914: 00000000
073918: FFFFE580 = 071E98
FFFF FFFF
0006 0400 : 060400 = class code: PCI bridge
00000000
073928: \ detokenizing start at offset 073928
074054: \ detokenizing finished after 1836 of 1836 bytes.
074054: 00000000
074058: FFFFF8C0 = 073918
FFFF FFFF
000C 0310 : 0C0310 = class code: USB OHCI
00000000
074068: \ detokenizing start at offset 074068
077A90: \ detokenizing finished after 14888 of 14888 bytes.
077A90: FFFFC5C8 = 074058
FFFF FFFF
000C 0010 : 0C0010 = class code: FireWire OHCI
00000000
077AA0: \ detokenizing start at offset 077AA0
07C016: \ detokenizing finished after 17782 of 17782 bytes.
07C016: 0000
07C018: FFFFBA78 = 077A90
0033 106B : Apple Inc. UniNorth 2 ATA/100
FFFF FFFF
00000000
07C028: \ detokenizing start at offset 07C028
07DC93: \ detokenizing finished after 7275 of 7275 bytes.
07DC93: 00
07DC94: 00000000
07DC98: FFFFE380 = 07C018
4D68 105A : Promise Technology, Inc. PDC20268 [Ultra100 TX2]
FFFF FFFF
00000000
07DCA8: \ detokenizing start at offset 07DCA8
07E3C3: \ detokenizing finished after 1820 bytes.
07E3C3: 00
07E3C4: 00000000
07E3C8: FFFFF8D0 = 07DC98
6268 105A : Promise Technology, Inc. PDC20270 (FastTrak100 LP/TX2/TX4)
FFFF FFFF
FFFFF8D0 = 07DCA8
07E3D8: FFFFFFF0 = 07E3C8
4D69 105A : Promise Technology, Inc. 20269
FFFF FFFF
FFFFF8C0 = 07DCA8
07E3E8: FFFFFFF0 = 07E3D8
6269 105A : Promise Technology, Inc. PDC20271 (FastTrak TX2000)
FFFF FFFF
FFFFF8B0 = 07DCA8
07E3F8: FFFFFFF0 = 07E3E8
0021 106B : Apple Inc. UniNorth GMAC (Sun GEM)
FFFF FFFF
00000000
07E408: \ detokenizing start at offset 07E408
080B8E: \ detokenizing finished after 10118 of 10118 bytes.
080B8E: 0000
080B90: FFFFD868 = 07E3F8
0024 106B : Apple Inc. UniNorth/Pangea GMAC (Sun GEM)
FFFF FFFF
FFFFD868 = 07E408
080BA0: FFFFFFF0 = 080B90
0032 106B : Apple Inc. UniNorth 2 GMAC (Sun GEM)
FFFF FFFF
FFFFD858 = 07E408
080BB0: FFFFFFF0 = 080BA0
0020 106B : Apple Inc. UniNorth AGP
FFFF FFFF
00000000
080BC0: \ detokenizing start at offset 080BC0
080C1C: \ detokenizing finished after 92 of 92 bytes.
080C1C: 00000000
080C20: FFFFFF90 = 080BB0
002D 106B : Apple Inc. UniNorth 1.5 AGP
FFFF FFFF
FFFFFF90 = 080BC0
080C30: FFFFFFF0 = 080C20
0027 106B : Apple Inc. UniNorth/Pangea AGP
FFFF FFFF
FFFFFF80 = 080BC0
080C40: FFFFFFF0 = 080C30
0034 106B : Apple Inc. UniNorth 2 AGP
FFFF FFFF
FFFFFF70 = 080BC0
080C50: FFFFFFF0 = 080C40
5052 1002 : ATI Technologies, Inc. Rage 4 [Rage 128 PRO AGP 4X]
FFFF FFFF
00000000
080C60: \ detokenizing start at offset 080C60
083FAB: \ detokenizing finished after 13131 of 13131 bytes.
083FAB: 00
083FAC: 00000000
083FB0: FFFFCCA0 = 080C50
5452 1002 : ATI Technologies, Inc. Rage 128 PRO Ultra4XL VR-R AGP
FFFF FFFF
00000000
083FC0: \ detokenizing start at offset 083FC0
087152: \ detokenizing finished after 12690 of 12690 bytes.
087152: 0000
087154: 00000000
087158: FFFFCE58 = 083FB0
0174 10DF : NVIDIA Corporation NV17M [GeForce4 440 Go]
FFFF FFFF
00000000
087168: \ detokenizing start at offset 087168
090953: \ detokenizing finished after 38891 of 38891 bytes.
090953: 00
090954: 00000000
090958: FFFF6800 = 087158
0110 10DF : NVIDIA Corporation NV11 [GeForce2 MX/MX 400]
FFFF FFFF
00000000
090968: \ detokenizing start at offset 090968
097E8D: \ detokenizing finished after 29989 of 29989 bytes.
097E8D: 0000 00
097E90: FFFF8AC8 = 090958
0110 10DE : NVIDIA Corporation NV11 [GeForce2 MX/MX 400]
FFFF FFFF
00000000
097EA0: \ detokenizing start at offset 097EA0
0A2178: \ detokenizing finished after 41688 of 41688 bytes.
0A2178: FFFF5D18 = 097E90
0174 10DE : NVIDIA Corporation NV17M [GeForce4 440 Go]
FFFF FFFF
FFFF5D18 = 097EA0
0A2188: FFFFFFF0 = 0A2178
4C59 1002 : ATI Technologies, Inc. RV100/M6 [Rage/Radeon Mobility Series]
FFFF FFFF
0A2194: 00000000
0A2198: \ detokenizing start at offset 0A2198
0A7F6B: \ detokenizing finished after 24019 of 24019 bytes.
0A7F6B: 00
0A7F6C: 00000000
0A7F70: FFFFA218 = 0A2188
4C5A 1002 : ATI Technologies, Inc. RV100 LZ [Mobility Radeon 7000]
FFFF FFFF
0A7F7C: FFFFA218 = 0A2198
0A7F80: FFFFFFF0 = 0A7F70
4C57 1002 : ATI Technologies, Inc. RV200/M7 [Mobility Radeon 7500]
FFFF FFFF
00000000
0A7F90: \ detokenizing start at offset 0A7F90
0AE2E6: \ detokenizing finished after 25430 of 25430 bytes.
0AE2E6: 0000
0AE2E8: FFFF9C98 = 0A7F80
4C66 1002 : ATI Technologies, Inc. RV250/M9 GL [Mobility FireGL 9000/Radeon 9000]
FFFF FFFF
00000000
0AE2F8: \ detokenizing start at offset 0AE2F8
0B44FB: \ detokenizing finished after 25091 of 25091 bytes.
interesting how its all mostly ROM's from period iBook's and PowerBooks of the time!
indeed I was thinking about this a while back, more specficly regarding the fCode ROM for the iMac G5's video cards
as an iMac G5 internal is DVI and obviously has a VGA port on the back
so the cards are effectively DVI-VGA cards which would match much better with a PC Radeon 9600, then any of the PMG5 ROMs do
and it would be fun to see if a Radeon X600 Pro or X600 XT could be flashed with a iMac G5 iSight's ROM
I can't check the OF version because I can't get into OF-- the display never fires up when I try invoking it. (I also run into this issue when installing OS X. I wonder if it has to do with the way my display output is configured)
No it's definitely a PC card. It's got the funny s-video out on it.
I haven't the slightest on where the fcode rom would be on the board.
I could probably dump the rom-- I'll just have to pull out my testbench and a board.
Nope, I don't have one of those serial cables.
..... maybe I should just pay the Mac tax and pick up a known compatible card. 😓
I only have Quad G5 ROM. I didn't format the device descriptors like I did for your G4, but unlike the G4, the Quad G5 does have a name for each fcode image. None of them appear to be for a GPU.interesting how its all mostly ROM's from period iBook's and PowerBooks of the time!
indeed I was thinking about this a while back, more specficly regarding the fCode ROM for the iMac G5's video cards
as an iMac G5 internal is DVI and obviously has a VGA port on the back
so the cards are effectively DVI-VGA cards which would match much better with a PC Radeon 9600, then any of the PMG5 ROMs do
and it would be fun to see if a Radeon X600 Pro or X600 XT could be flashed with a iMac G5 iSight's ROM
Code:
PCI-CARDBUS
PCI-PCI
usb-openhci
firewire-OHCI
uata
k2-gmac
sata
pci80211
BCOM
XModem
Device-Channel
scc
VSP
sb-mpic
PCI-Capabilities
i2c-bus-legacy
Pulsar
Pulsar-sys-clock
smu
smu-fans
smu-motor
smu-umotor-control
smu-umotor
smu-i2c-controller
smu-i2c-bus
smu-motors
smu-sensors
smu-switches
SMUtnik
Table00
Table30
Table35
Table60
Table70
Table75
PCI50
PCI100
PCIE50
sata-disk
HT-BRIDGE
K2-BRIDGE
DS1631
DS1775
MAX6690
Q63
Platform-do-Q63
Enclosure-Q63I think this thread is for GPUs that are known to work in a newer Power Mac that you want to get working in an older Power Mac.
@Doq if you have a PC PCI Radeon 9250 then you will simply just have to flash it with a suitable Mac ROM then it will work in your G3 Beige, you dont need to edit anything to get it working in a G3 beige like you do a GeForce 6200
post a picture of the card and tell me the DeviceID if you can and ill point you to the ROM you will want to flash it with
you may also need to remove some resistors about, but im not sure how critical these are!
themacelite.wikidot.com
post a picture of the card and tell me the DeviceID if you can and ill point you to the ROM you will want to flash it with
you may also need to remove some resistors about, but im not sure how critical these are!
9250 Trick - The Mac Elite
You got it. imgur.com@Doq if you have a PC PCI Radeon 9250 then you will simply just have to flash it with a suitable Mac ROM then it will work in your G3 Beige, you dont need to edit anything to get it working in a G3 beige like you do a GeForce 6200
post a picture of the card and tell me the DeviceID if you can and ill point you to the ROM you will want to flash it with
you may also need to remove some resistors about, but im not sure how critical these are!
9250 Trick - The Mac Elite
I don't remember what the deviceid is, but it's a Diamond 256MB variant if that's any help.
I saw that article too and I'm hoping they're not absolutely necessary (but they might be and I'm not completely confident in my solder skill, especially with components this small).
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looks like a fairly standard reference card
I doubt all 256MB will work but if it has a 128KB EEPROM
and if it is indeed an ATI Radeon 9250 DeviceID and all then try flashing it with this ROM http://campahunta.free.fr/Downloads/ROMs/ati_ret_9200_201_pciagp_full.rom.zip
note that due to the different DeviceID you might need to juggle around to find the correct OS 9 drivers for full acceleration but they are on the Macintosh Garden!
ATI Flasher from graphiccelerator in Mac OS X will do you nicely
on the G3 Beige GeForce 6200 front pleased to report it all works on my Rev B G3 beige tis really awesome to see Core Image coming out a G3 beige!
for me it was the PNY_6200_PCI.ROM that worked for my PNY GeForce 6200 (Curiously its a green card so, I did try the green card 6200256.ROM first but while that worked for OF OSX would panic, however the VRAM chips on my card are different then either so I guess the VRAM settings for the Blue card match my specific green card better!)
tis really awesome to see Core Image coming out a G3 beige! for me it was the PNY_6200_PCI.ROM that worked for my PNY GeForce 6200 (Curiously its a green card so, I did try the green card 6200256.ROM first but while that worked for OF OSX would panic, however the VRAM chips on my card are different then either so I guess the VRAM settings for the Blue card match my specific green card better!)
Thanx for posting the SoftStraps explanation!
But for my PNY 6200 the complete Straps are just copied from the 512MB PC ROM. And so are all portions, which differ from the 256MB ROM. I don't know what else could be done ton "enable 512MB" in the ROM. But it still shows 256 in OS X.
But for my PNY 6200 the complete Straps are just copied from the 512MB PC ROM. And so are all portions, which differ from the 256MB ROM. I don't know what else could be done ton "enable 512MB" in the ROM. But it still shows 256 in OS X.
os9vnc works. It has a server part, I just made sure to make an alias that I put in my startup folder to start the server when it booted (without functional video). I used that earlier in the thread on my powertower booting in 9.22. Used my Macbook running Montery with a osx vnc viewer to log into it.
leftovers from the Xserve G4? which IIRC use those ATA chips (and you have to disable them to Boot OS9)
one thing I have noticed over time is that a lot of Apple BootROM's tend to be quite universal in that for a given set of machines from a given generation the BootROM's of all will all have the same components even if in some macs those components are never used
so its quite interesting to see thats true of a PPC ROM too
I've included the disassembly and Forth parts. The fcode of the Forth may be machine specific so I didn't include it.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ya5gfv67eqvrwil/ROMDumps.zip?dl=0
Here's my lzss that is used for the decompression. I haven't worked on the compression part.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/v93d0o3k9wc5b32/joevt-lzss.zip?dl=0
Here's the latest version of the tools that are used for producing the dumps or to tokenize the Forth code.
https://github.com/joevt/OpenBIOSStuff
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I've updated all the patches at #487
I'll finish the patch for Open Firmware 1.0.5 next.
Has anyone tried the patches yet?
After that I'll look at the 6200 rom for vram stuff.
I'll finish the patch for Open Firmware 1.0.5 next.
Has anyone tried the patches yet?
After that I'll look at the 6200 rom for vram stuff.
Can you add a link to the PNY_6200_PCI.ROM that you used? Wondering if it's the original or my patched version or something else.on the G3 Beige GeForce 6200 front pleased to report it all works on my Rev B G3 beige
for me it was the PNY_6200_PCI.ROM that worked for my PNY GeForce 6200 (Curiously its a green card so, I did try the green card 6200256.ROM first but while that worked for OF OSX would panic, however the VRAM chips on my card are different then either so I guess the VRAM settings for the Blue card match my specific green card better!)
Yes, i did/do. But not the latest updated version. Will try this later.
If it's of any help in that case, attached are both of the PC ROMs of the PNY 6200s, 256 and 512MB-versions, as well as the Mac-ROM, i am using, which works fine in OS X, but only showing 256MB and showing 512MB in System Profiler when booted to OS 9.
Edit: I don't know, if the 256MB-card, the PC-ROM is for has exact matching PCB-layout, as there are many PNY 6200s. The 512MB version, i have, is this one. At least i know, there is a 256MB-card, using this layout, branded Club3D, i had an fCode-ROM for, which i used to patch for the 512MB-card.
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I gave the FW800 MDD patch a quick test with my FW800 MDD and my Quadro FX 4500 (which is a 512MB PCIe card from/for my G5 Quad) but sadly I get the same result as without it, OF hard locks as it attempts to output video to the monitor
(the patch installed into NVRAMRC fine and the system on its own still boots to OF just fine with it in place, so its not regressing anything at least, but the moment I chuck the FX 4500 it all falls over like it normally does)
the ROM I used for my GeForce 6200 and G3 beige, was indeed yours from the zip file 17b
I update #487 with the Open Firmware 1.0.5 patch.
If the Quadro FX 4500 is the only card we have that we know works in Mac OS X with 512 MB in a Quad G5 , then maybe we should look at that. Can you post a rom dump or link for the Quadro? Plus dump-device-tree from the Quad G5, and an Open Firmware lspci.
There i can add one. The 7800 GTX 512MB. And it's not even as similar to the Quadro as it looks. Quite a lot more powerful.
Here is a collection of three known working 512MB ROMs: The one for the Mac OEM Quadro, as it is in the Wiki. Another one for a Quadro which has memory chips only on one side. And the one for the 7800 GTX 512MB, which has much higher clocks than the Quadros.
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Also i do not know if it could be of any help for comparing things as it's a completely different card, there is a 256MB version of the GTX too. And here is it's ROM, which the 512's should be based on.
Which Quadro ROM do you use?
Are the Quadro and 7800 PCI, AGP, or PCIe? Do you have a method to connect PCIe to PCI?