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GreyOS

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FYI the only difference I can find between the M8 and M9 wrt motion is the M9 can additionally detect running pace without gps. Can't see how pace should matter to raise to wake lol
 

stulaw11

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Inside or outside whatever. Its not the point.

In any case(sleep or wake), OS can access this motion data's.

Could you say this?
My iPhone 5S/6/6Plus doesnt count my steps, distance and floors(m8) in my pocket.

You cant say this.

Your iPhone get turned off while they're locked. How can count your activities?

Because this coprocessor's always works until the power saving mode. Power saving mode turns to sensor's idle mode and spends so little energy.

So what we have?

We have always-on motion coproccessor's qualified enought for this job M7 and M8)

What we dont have?

OS support. (Yet) Its just a developer beta 1. Hopefully Apple adds this feature to the next beta's.
And what does steps have to do with activating the display? Nothing

You are ASSUMING the M7 and M8 have the same core functions as the M9, which is unlikely being designed before the OS was unveiled.

Its like trying to say a 1980 V8 engine should have the same power as a 2016 V8 engine because they're both V8s. Not understanding anything about the details means nothing to it. Capability changes as time progresses.
 
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QuarterSwede

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I got confirmation that even the 9.7" iPad Pro that has M9 and has Always On Hey Siri does not have Raise to Wake. So it would seem like perhaps it's just not fully enabled yet in this Developer Preview 1 build for other devices.
This is a good point. The 6 and 6 Plus also don't have feature parity with 3D Touch on notifications yet because they haven't finished it. Seems like they focused on the 6S and 6S Plus for the dev beta. Other features will be fleshed out as the betas revolve as they always have.
 
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As mentioned it's no different just in reverse so people can utilize their lock screen without using the sleep/wake button then Touch ID but Instead use the home button (which is what everyone does anyway).
Don't speak for other people they shoulda made it raise to wake and the touch, it's annoying I have to press the home two times two unlock
 

lagwagon

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Don't speak for other people they shoulda made it raise to wake and the touch, it's annoying I have to press the home two times two unlock

You are aware that you can still unlock the normal way you've always have been able to with Touch ID right? (One press and a registered finger on the button)

The only time you need to press Home a second time is if you've spent some time on the lock screen to check notifications.
 

Creek0512

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Don't speak for other people they shoulda made it raise to wake and the touch, it's annoying I have to press the home two times two unlock
Again, no you don't. Clicking the home button once unlocks an iPhone and jumps to the app screen just as fast as it does on iOS 9.
 

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..Hey Siri was possible before but only plugged in. Likely a power issue and the M9 built into the chip itself solves this somehow.

Bottom line regardless, it appears by all accounts to be a hardware limitation.



And what does steps have to do with activating the display? Nothing

You are ASSUMING the M7 and M8 have the same core functions as the M9, which is unlikely being designed before the OS was unveiled.

Its like trying to say a 1980 V8 engine should have the same power as a 2016 V8 engine because they're both V8s. Not understanding anything about the details means nothing to it. Capability changes as time progresses.

You talked about power and i explained that, there is no power issue. M7 and M8 motion coprocessors ALREADY always works, WITHOUT power issue. Did you get it. I dont think so. But u can try.


Steps, its just example for teach someone.

Yes, Im assuming the M7 and M8 have the same core functions as the M9. But not all. Expect always on microphone. Because sensor brands could be different. But output same.

I writed before.

iPhone 6S - 3-Axis gyro, Accelerometer, Barometer
iPhone 6S Plus - 3-Axis gyro, Accelerometer, Barometer
iPhone 6 - 3-Axis gyro, Accelerometer, Barometer
iPhone 6 Plus - 3-Axis gyro, Accelerometer, Barometer
iPhone SE - 3-Axis gyro, Accelerometer
iPhone 5S - 3-Axis gyro, Accelerometer
iPhone 5 - 3-Axis gyro, Accelerometer

Now look at the list.

Dev beta1 work list;
iPhone 6S/6S Plus/SE

Which of the sensors same?
1) 3-Axis gyro
2) Accelerometer

All iPhone's has them all.

Now seperate always on motion coprocessors.

iPhone 6S/6S Plus/6/6 Plus/SE/5S

Dont forget, this OS still in development stage. Its just one step forward.

Your engine not for here. We are not talking about Gpu or Cpu power. Its different.

If you refusing this outputs; than you cant play any new game or you cant manage ur iPhone's orientation with this sensors on new app or Fitness app doesnt work? Because its old isnt it? No! It doesnt work like that.

Outputs same, you can play Labyrinth 2 game on all 3-axis gryscope having iPhone models. Apple using low cost but high performance sensors.


In this rows im looking with ur eyes.
Labyrinth 2 game requires iOS 5 - 2011
But it will work with modern iOS 9 - 2016

Your engine ex. was stalled.


Again;

We have live feed.(Sensor data's)

We haven't software to process this information for this feature. (Yet)

Like iOS 9.3.3 iPhone 6S
Like iOS 9.3.3 iPhone 6S Plus
Like iOS 9.3.3 iPhone SE

Now you get it.
 
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kevroc

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Anyone tried to test if it's only waking when raised or accidentally when on your hip or in your pocket?

This is an awesome feature on my 6s Plus. I'm tired to clicking all the time to see messages and having to make sure to click the sleep/wake button and not the home button otherwise it logs me in so fast I miss the notifications!

Now just a raise of a couple of inches off the desk does the trick, doesn't take much. Doesn't do it if I raise it up "upside down" or sideways, just when I raise it up right side up does it come on. Really great. And now it's Press to unlock, not just touch to unlock. Now when using Apple Pay it will be much simpler because it won't keep logging me in.

Great changes all in all, but having to relearn some bad behaviors...
 

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If it is the fact that the M8 and M7 aren't always on, couldn't they have Raise to Wake when it's plugged in like Hey Siri?
 

jclardy

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Anyone tried to test if it's only waking when raised or accidentally when on your hip or in your pocket?
It won't because of the ambient light sensor. Well that and other things - it seems to need to feel the inherit shakiness of your hands. If you have it on a surface and tilt it up on that surface it doesn't activate.
 
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idrisinan

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If raise to wake up will not comes for 6 in final , I will not update my iOS 9 to 10.
It is normal for Apple sales boss there , take the last iPhone , trash your old iPhone.

Jailbreakers will do , like hey Siri , 3D Touch with software in older devices, live wallpapers , making gifs , keyboard selection swipe like. Also they do it raise to wake for older devices.
My iPhone 6 is not and will not be garbage Apple
 
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Abazigal

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If raise to wake up will not comes for 6 in final , I will not update my iOS 9 to 10.
It is normal for Apple sales boss there , take the last iPhone , trash your old iPhone.

Jailbreakers will do , like hey Siri , 3D Touch with software in older devices, live wallpapers , making gifs , keyboard selection swipe like. Also they do it raise to wake for older devices.
My iPhone 6 is not and will not be garbage Apple
Your loss, not mine.

Are you expecting Apple executives to go down on their knees and beg you to update?
 
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idrisinan

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Your loss, not mine.

Are you expecting Apple executives to go down on their knees and beg you to update?

Of course not yours. Only man who knows with honors

"I would rather lose money than lose customers "

Can I sell my 64 Gb iPhone 6 ?
Yes.
Can I get the 6s
Of course yes, i can. A bit of my salary, not problem for me here.

Apple are loosing fans doing like this.
 
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Abazigal

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Of course not yours. Only man who knows with honors

"
I would rather lose money than lose customers "
Your iPhone is already paid for in full. What exactly is Apple losing by you not updating? In the same vein, what are you gaining from not updating, except for jailbreak access?
 

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Your iPhone is already paid for in full. What exactly is Apple losing by you not updating? In the same vein, what are you gaining from not updating, except for jailbreak access?

I don't gain anything by not updating, in the same time, i don't loss anything. There is nothing iOS 10 attract me anyway. Beside all these fancy emoji, i don't really think i like iOS 10 that much.

I installed beta 1, then revert back to iOS 9 after 2 hours. Not because of performance, performance is OK for beta build, but there is nothing really make me think updating iOS 10 is something i have to do.

I any case, I probably will stay with iOS 9 on my iPhone 5, iPhone 5C, iPhone 5S and iPod Touch 6...
 

Abazigal

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I don't gain anything by not updating, in the same time, i don't loss anything. There is nothing iOS 10 attract me anyway. Beside all these fancy emoji, i don't really think i like iOS 10 that much.

I installed beta 1, then revert back to iOS 9 after 2 hours. Not because of performance, performance is OK for beta build, but there is nothing really make me think updating iOS 10 is something i have to do.

I any case, I probably will stay with iOS 9 on my iPhone 5, iPhone 5C, iPhone 5S and iPod Touch 6...
No surprise there. Many of the newer features for maps and messages require developer support, so their impact won't be felt until months after the official ios 10 release.
 

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No surprise there. Many of the newer features for maps and messages require developer support, so their impact won't be felt until months after the official ios 10 release.

Well, we will see. I am not updating at day 1. iOS 9 is crap until iOS 9.1... I will probably wait and see... I the same time, i will make sure I block Apple update URL...
 

Abazigal

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Well, we will see. I am not updating at day 1. iOS 9 is crap until iOS 9.1... I will probably wait and see... I the same time, i will make sure I block Apple update URL...
I have always updated on day 1, don't see any reason not to really. Just that I have sworn off betas because of negative experiences with iOS 9.
 

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I don't gain anything by not updating, in the same time, i don't loss anything. There is nothing iOS 10 attract me anyway. Beside all these fancy emoji, i don't really think i like iOS 10 that much.

I installed beta 1, then revert back to iOS 9 after 2 hours. Not because of performance, performance is OK for beta build, but there is nothing really make me think updating iOS 10 is something i have to do.

I any case, I probably will stay with iOS 9 on my iPhone 5, iPhone 5C, iPhone 5S and iPod Touch 6...

Actually you do lose something. Security improvements & updates.
 
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Actually you do lose something. Security improvements & updates.


That, I don't care. As long as I am being careful, it will be OK.

i want to point out that, rather than take a whole OS update to fix some security issue for build in apps, Apple should really update system apps and services via App Store.

I like Google's way of updating Android's core and Google Services.

I get you still need full OS update to fix system level holes. If Apple can send hot fix via App Store, like Windows does would be great.

This will also helps customers who uses older devices that capped with older firmware. Like iPhone 4 users.

I also take performance over security updates. If my devices going to be slow after update, I rather not update


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I have always updated on day 1, don't see any reason not to really. Just that I have sworn off betas because of negative experiences with iOS 9.

To each own, I don't see the need update on day 1. I rather want wait until Apple fix the performance... Early iOS 9 builds were crap. iOS 9.3.2 is OK, but not perfect.

So I will wait and see.
 
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iOSUser7

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Actually you do lose something. Security improvements & updates.
Did you ever get your iPhone hacked in the past with previous iOS versions (6,7 or 8) ? I bet no, iOS is a closed operating system, it is already secured enough. I think some people here should stop being paranoid with that "security" thing.
 
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Smith288

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My process on my 6s was to use the power button to turn on the screen and then tap the touchid to unlock. I did this for two reasons; check my notifications and to save the home button. But Apple is forcing me to use the home button now. Not a big fan of that. I want the raise to wake to simply replace the power button press and still utilize a touch id tap to unlock. :\
 

Shirasaki

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My process on my 6s was to use the power button to turn on the screen and then tap the touchid to unlock. I did this for two reasons; check my notifications and to save the home button. But Apple is forcing me to use the home button now. Not a big fan of that. I want the raise to wake to simply replace the power button press and still utilize a touch id tap to unlock. :\
But:
Before: you need to either press power button or home button to light up screen. Then unlock device using Touch ID.
After: you need to either press power button or home button to light up screen. Then unlock device using Touch ID, plus a press on home button. If you press home button before to light up screen then you can unlock your device at the same time.
Wait, you would need home button to "return to home screen" from time to time. Saving your home button is totally meaningless.
 

lagwagon

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Did you ever get your iPhone hacked in the past with previous iOS versions (6,7 or 8) ? I bet no, iOS is a closed operating system, it is already secured enough. I think some people here should stop being paranoid with that "security" thing.

iOS 7 had ways to bypass the lock screen (possibly iOS 8 as well.) iOS 8 up until I believe 8.4.1 had the Unicode text message that would reboot loop your device. iOS 9 had until 9.2? The 1970 date bug as well as the Touch ID error 53.

Security updates don't have to mean being paranoid. It also includes major bug/hole fixes. That quite frankly wether I would ever experience them first hand or not, I will update always because I don't want those types of things available to be open.
 
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