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Smith288

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But:
Before: you need to either press power button or home button to light up screen. Then unlock device using Touch ID.
After: you need to either press power button or home button to light up screen. Then unlock device using Touch ID, plus a press on home button. If you press home button before to light up screen then you can unlock your device at the same time.
Wait, you would need home button to "return to home screen" from time to time. Saving your home button is totally meaningless.

I use force touch to present the switcher.
 

Shirasaki

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I use force touch to present the switcher.
I also use it too. But saving home button is definitely not my concern, and not all cases using force touch is a good choice.
Even if you don't use it, home button will become less sensitive and useable overtime. Maybe, only you use it from time to time, can you actually save it, and use it even longer.
 

iOSUser7

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iOS 7 had ways to bypass the lock screen (possibly iOS 8 as well.) iOS 8 up until I believe 8.4.1 had the Unicode text message that would reboot loop your device. iOS 9 had until 9.2? The 1970 date bug as well as the Touch ID error 53.

Security updates don't have to mean being paranoid. It also includes major bug/hole fixes. That quite frankly wether I would ever experience them first hand or not, I will update always because I don't want those types of things available to be open.
By security I meant the tiny holes that Apple patch every update but nobody ever heard of. But nonetheless, you get the point because I forgot about the big holes.

Just don't forget that the Unicode text bug was only present on iOS 8, it did not worked on iOS 7 so Apple screwed something with updates and the 1970 date bug only apply to 64-bits devices so not everyone are concerned. Same is true for the Touch ID error 53 which only apply to iPhone 6 users.

Also, there is currently a big lockscreen bypass on iOS 10 which let you access everything on the device. You have to swipe to the left to access the widgets tap on one and it will bring you to the app then just hit the home button and that's it, you're in the device.
And I have seen similar reports here on this forum which confirm that it doesn't only work on my device.
However this bypass is rare, in fact it only worked twice for me, the other times it would ask me for my password when I tap on the widget. But I'm sure Apple will fix it very soon, probably in the next beta.

Anyway, back on the subject, are there any remaining holes in the latest iOS 9.3.2 that has been discovered already ? I don't believe so. That means there is no reason to upgrade to iOS 10 "security" wise.
 

lagwagon

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By security I meant the tiny holes that Apple patch every update but nobody ever heard of. But nonetheless, you get the point because I forgot about the big holes.

Just don't forget that the Unicode text bug was only present on iOS 8, it did not worked on iOS 7 so Apple screwed something with updates and the 1970 date bug only apply to 64-bits devices so not everyone are concerned. Same is true for the Touch ID error 53 which only apply to iPhone 6 users.

Also, there is currently a big lockscreen bypass on iOS 10 which let you access everything on the device. You have to swipe to the left to access the widgets tap on one and it will bring you to the app then just hit the home button and that's it, you're in the device.
And I have seen similar reports here on this forum which confirm that it doesn't only work on my device.
However this bypass is rare, in fact it only worked twice for me, the other times it would ask me for my password when I tap on the widget. But I'm sure Apple will fix it very soon, probably in the next beta.

Anyway, back on the subject, are there any remaining holes in the latest iOS 9.3.2 that has been discovered already ? I don't believe so. That means there is no reason to upgrade to iOS 10 "security" wise.

Are you 100% positive that in those two time you bypassed your iOS 10 lock screen that you didn't use a registered finger in Touch ID.

I just did a bunch of testing that and not once could I ever tap a widget without having to Touch ID or enter the Passcode. Using a registered finger did allow instant access because it scanned my finger and unlocked in the quick 1 second I had my finger on the home button to turn on the display.
 

iOSUser7

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Are you 100% positive that in those two time you bypassed your iOS 10 lock screen that you didn't use a registered finger in Touch ID.

I just did a bunch of testing that and not once could I ever tap a widget without having to Touch ID or enter the Passcode. Using a registered finger did allow instant access because it scanned my finger and unlocked in the quick 1 second I had my finger on the home button to turn on the display.
You mean press the power button (or raise to wake) then put your finger on the Touch ID (intentionally or not), swipe to the left, tap on a widget and press the home button bring you to the home screen ? If so then yes I probably did that and thought it was a bypass because putting your finger on the Touch ID when you are on the lock screen does nothing, you have to press the button to unlock.
 

lagwagon

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You mean press the power button (or raise to wake) then put your finger on the Touch ID (intentionally or not), swipe to the left, tap on a widget and press the home button bring you to the home screen ? If so then yes I probably did that and thought it was a bypass because putting your finger on the Touch ID when you are on the lock screen does nothing, you have to press the button to unlock.

Putting your finger on the Touch ID sensor unlocks the phone. Allowing you to interact with your notifications and/widgets. The reason you have to afterwards press the Home button is to tell it you want to move onwards from the lock screen to the Home screen.

All of this ONLY applies if you spend any time looking at the lock screen. You can still pickup your phone, press and maintain your finger on the home button and fully unlock to the Home screen. No different than it's been in iOS 7, 8 and 9. The only change is once you briefly stop on the lock screen. (Elimiting any chance at zipping past your notifications by accident.)

You now have more deliberate actions for staying on your lock screen to do whatever with notifications and widgets OR bypassing it all like previously and going straight to the Home screen. Less room for error.
 
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Creek0512

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There is now a lock symbol at the top of the lock screen when your iPhone is locked. Tapping Touch ID unlocks your iPhone and this symbol disappears to indicate your iPhone is now unlocked.
 

GreyOS

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Got to drill the terminology 'open' as distinct from 'unlock' into my head now
 

Smith288

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Putting your finger on the Touch ID sensor unlocks the phone. Allowing you to interact with your notifications and/widgets. The reason you have to afterwards press the Home button is to tell it you want to move onwards from the lock screen to the Home screen.

All of this ONLY applies if you spend any time looking at the lock screen. You can still pickup your phone, press and maintain your finger on the home button and fully unlock to the Home screen. No different than it's been in iOS 7, 8 and 9. The only change is once you briefly stop on the lock screen. (Elimiting any chance at zipping past your notifications by accident.)

You now have more deliberate actions for staying on your lock screen to do whatever with notifications and widgets OR bypassing it all like previously and going straight to the Home screen. Less room for error.
I don't use my home button to turn the screen on. I used the power button. So I would still like to just tap the Touch ID to unlock.

Touch ID once to unlock the lock screen and I'd like the ability to touch it once more to bring me to the home screen.

But I know that's not going to happen.
 

Natya Sadella

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I tested it with imessage. I can definitely reply to textmessages without unlocking the phone per 3d touch gesture b
 

Creek0512

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jglove42

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You now have more deliberate actions for staying on your lock screen to do whatever with notifications and widgets OR bypassing it all like previously and going straight to the Home screen. Less room for error.

I get why they did it, but wouldn't it be a similar learning curve either way? Learning to avoid keeping your thumb on the home button after you raise to wake versus now learning to press the home button to unlock after raise to wake. I'm sure there is an argument for why one is better than the other, but that's just my opinion.
 

lagwagon

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I get why they did it, but wouldn't it be a similar learning curve either way? Learning to avoid keeping your thumb on the home button after you raise to wake versus now learning to press the home button to unlock after raise to wake. I'm sure there is an argument for why one is better than the other, but that's just my opinion.

If you raise to wake to see your lock screen (check notifications.) You need to use Touch ID no matter what you choose. Be it interact with a notification or to move past the lock screen. So to me it only makes sense pressing the Home button is the most logical choice as your registered finger or thumb will already need to be there for the actual unlocking.

You can still as you can now move straight to the Home screen without stopping at the lock screen that would require the extra press of the button.
 

lagwagon

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I agree, it's real annoying. I wish it was raise + force touch to turn the screen on instead. It's a good idea, but raising the screen alone happens so often that there's a lot of room for false positives.

And how would that be any different to "raise + home button to turn the screen on" or "raise + power button to turn the screen on". Your solution adds nothing to what we've had already since the beginning of the iPhone. Plus it's 3D Touch. Force Touch is mac trackpads and Apple Watch :p
 
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NewtypeCJ

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And how would that be any different to "raise + home button to turn the screen on" or "raise + power button to turn the screen on". Your solution adds nothing to what we've had already since the beginning of the iPhone. Plus it's 3D Touch. Force Touch is mac trackpads and Apple Watch :p

Well force touching the screen to turn it on wouldn't unlock the device and with the way I usually hold an iPhone 6S Plus my hand is at the lower end, making hitting the power button inconvenient.
 

psionicsin

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I got confirmation that even the 9.7" iPad Pro that has M9 and has Always On Hey Siri does not have Raise to Wake. So it would seem like perhaps it's just not fully enabled yet in this Developer Preview 1 build for other devices.

That must be why my GD battery is draining so GD fast. I will literally charge the thing to 100%, NOT use it, and the next morning it's at 80%. Maybe I should deactivate Siri on there as well. Annoying having every device I own answer me when I ask Siri to send a message.
[doublepost=1467139538][/doublepost]Point blank, they suped-up TouchID so hardcore in the 6S & 6S Plus, that people couldn't check the time without being presented with their Home-screen (not Lock-screen). So the new press to open is a godsend. It was a radical departure from what we've been taught, but we're acclimating.

Now I wasn't aware that raise to wake wasn't available on all phones. But with the explanations provided in here, I can understand why.
 
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