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What is IBIS? Some sort of stabilization? My macro lens and my 70-200 I think are the only ones with IS.

I try really hard not to shoot slower than 1/125. I prefer 1/250, but can sometimes shoot as slow as 1/80 if I'm super careful.

I think IBIS is Sony-speak (and maybe other brands as well, but not Nikon) for "In-Body Image Stabilization." In addition, I believe OIS refers to when the stabilization is on the lens itself. In Nikon there is VR (Vibration Reduction) on lenses, but I don't know since I haven't bought a new Nikon body in several years whether there is any in-body stabilization available.

Personally when I think of IBIS my mental image is that of a particular type of water bird!
 
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I think IBIS is Sony-speak (and maybe other brands as well, but not Nikon) for "In-Body Image Stabilization." In addition, I believe OIS refers to when the stabilization is on the lens itself. In Nikon there is VR (Vibration Reduction) on lenses, but I don't know since I haven't bought a new Nikon body in several years whether there is any in-body stabilization available.

Personally when I think of IBIS my mental image is that of a particular type of water bird!
No IS bodies as yet. However maybe on the new Z600 or whatever they decide to call it.
 

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You asked 2 separate questions: how many shots are keepers and how many shots are in focus.

For the latter it depends on what I am shooting (macro being the hardest, with wide-angle landscapes and a prominent foreground element sometimes being a close second). But for people pics my keeper rate using focus as the criterion is pretty high--I'd guess ~90%. Sony eye AF on my A7RIII is pretty amazing and almost always nails it regardless of the lens I am using. My son wears glasses which sometimes confuses it. Pics of people without glasses almost always nail focus on the eyes. Keeper rate overall drops because of capturing the right moment/expression. Usually not a focus issue though.

Keeper rate overall is probably closer to 10-20%, depending on what I am doing. Initial scouting trips to a location are just that and I'm not expecting to walk away with any keepers. For subsequent trips where I've visualized what I want to achieve the keeper rate is a little higher but I often take several pics with minor variations hoping to come away with the "perfect" pic.

Something similar if I'm using flash. Take several preliminary pics where I'm adjusting flash position and flash/camera settings, then the keeper rate depends on timing of expressions for living subjects.

For walk about or vacation pics I have a low threshold to press the shutter, even if I know it's going to be crap. Storage is cheap. Rarely I view I pic that I wasn't expecting to be anything but I end up making something out of it. Easy to ignore the rest.

Over time though I'm finding I do less of the "shoot everything hoping for a random great pic" and more of the "shoot little but take several variations trying to get it just right".

This also depends on how you define "keeper". Okay to share with family/friends (or on MR)? Hang on your wall? Enter into a competition? Publish in a book? Hang on a museum wall? Charge $50 dollars for? Charge $5000 dollars for? For me it's framing and hanging in my house. If I'd be willing to do that, it counts as a keeper.
 
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Well, for me a keeper is more or less a picture which goes into my initial album, where almost all images are ready to be shown to other eyes (not everything for everybody, of course) or can be adjusted for specific needs when sharing, and where images are quite mostly of size which I can print when necessary...Except some specific photos of personal value or something other - there can always be some exception...

Than, besides this list there is another - Favourite list, where only ‘best’ get in :)
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You asked 2 separate questions: how many shots are keepers and how many shots are in focus.

For the latter it depends on what I am shooting (macro being the hardest, with wide-angle landscapes and a prominent foreground element sometimes being a close second). But for people pics my keeper rate using focus as the criterion is pretty high--I'd guess ~90%. Sony eye AF on my A7RIII is pretty amazing and almost always nails it regardless of the lens I am using. My son wears glasses which sometimes confuses it. Pics of people without glasses almost always nail focus on the eyes. Keeper rate overall drops because of capturing the right moment/expression. Usually not a focus issue though.

Keeper rate overall is probably closer to 10-20%, depending on what I am doing. Initial scouting trips to a location are just that and I'm not expecting to walk away with any keepers. For subsequent trips where I've visualized what I want to achieve the keeper rate is a little higher but I often take several pics with minor variations hoping to come away with the "perfect" pic.

Something similar if I'm using flash. Take several preliminary pics where I'm adjusting flash position and flash/camera settings, then the keeper rate depends on timing of expressions for living subjects.

For walk about or vacation pics I have a low threshold to press the shutter, even if I know it's going to be crap. Storage is cheap. Rarely I view I pic that I wasn't expecting to be anything but I end up making something out of it. Easy to ignore the rest.

Over time though I'm finding I do less of the "shoot everything hoping for a random great pic" and more of the "shoot little but take several variations trying to get it just right".

This also depends on how you define "keeper". Okay to share with family/friends (or on MR)? Hang on your wall? Enter into a competition? Publish in a book? Hang on a museum wall? Charge $50 dollars for? Charge $5000 dollars for? For me it's framing and hanging in my house. If I'd be willing to do that, it counts as a keeper.

What is the lowest shutter speed you still feel comfortable with when RIII is handheld for portraits, some not really fast moving subjects?
 

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I think IBIS is Sony-speak (and maybe other brands as well, but not Nikon) for "In-Body Image Stabilization." In addition, I believe OIS refers to when the stabilization is on the lens itself. In Nikon there is VR (Vibration Reduction) on lenses, but I don't know since I haven't bought a new Nikon body in several years whether there is any in-body stabilization available.

Personally when I think of IBIS my mental image is that of a particular type of water bird!


IBIS is image stabilization.
My Olympus has it. It's very nice to have when one is a bit shaky to begin with ;). To clarify, I generally delete images that are over exposed or just not composed very well. Out of focus is not often the reason.


And, yes, an Ibis is a water bird popular around here as well.
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That all depends on the day/event am capturing. I don't Cull Enough. that is a fact. and I am trying to go back through and remove unnecessary photos (blurry/bad angle/weird faces/etc) from shoots I made years ago...when I can say, yeah I haven't used these photos for anything.


Twice a year we get family portraits taken so we can document the kids' growth and make for books, prints, a birthday slideshow/movie i make for each kid on their birthday of the prior year's events.

One year the photographer accidentally lost 2/3 of our shots. Crap! So, we went out one evening so I could take a few shots of my son (he gets more spring shots before his birthday...my daughter more fall shots before her bday). Anyway in the 1-1.5 hours we were there in the evening I took about 1300 photos! holy cow, I didn't realize i took that many. Some were quickly snapped in succession, others to get a decent smile/face. I cam back home and quickly removed a little over half. I now have 634 in the project. Of those I gave 4- & 5-Star ratings to a little less than 40. and posted 10 shots to Facebook since I thought they were nice.

On a recent (rainy) camping trip I grabbed my DSLR before heading out on a hike and realized the battery was almost drained. So...I didn't want to over use it and basically printed I had 1-2 rolls of 36 exposure film in there to only shoot "great shots" though I still used my iPhone for various shots/video.
 
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As others have said, that depends on subject.

- Wildlife: I keep 1% at most. Shooting almost continuously for 3 to 5 minute sequence of events could yield over 2,000 shots of basically the same thing. I'll keep one two and delete the rest. From trips out of country, I've come home with over 25,000 shots and spend weeks culling before even getting around to processing.

- Landscape: I keep about 30% but I bracket most shots for exposure and occasionally for focus just in case and end up deleting the shots I don't need and the shots I've blended in Ps.

Of course there are the shots I've botched such as out of focus or exposure problem stuff but that's not a significant number which has nothing to with skill on my part but has everything to do with Nikon cameras and lenses.

~ Peter
 

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As others have said, that depends on subject.

- Wildlife: I keep 1% at most. Shooting almost continuously for 3 to 5 minute sequence of events could yield over 2,000 shots of basically the same thing. I'll keep one two and delete the rest. From trips out of country, I've come home with over 25,000 shots and spend weeks culling before even getting around to processing.

- Landscape: I keep about 30% but I bracket most shots for exposure and occasionally for focus just in case and end up deleting the shots I don't need and the shots I've blended in Ps.

Of course there are the shots I've botched such as out of focus or exposure problem stuff but that's not a significant number which has nothing to with skill on my part but has everything to do with Nikon cameras and lenses.

~ Peter
Sounds about right. Nikon quality!
 

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Well, for me a keeper is more or less a picture which goes into my initial album, where almost all images are ready to be shown to other eyes (not everything for everybody, of course) or can be adjusted for specific needs when sharing, and where images are quite mostly of size which I can print when necessary...Except some specific photos of personal value or something other - there can always be some exception...

Than, besides this list there is another - Favourite list, where only ‘best’ get in :)
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What is the lowest shutter speed you still feel comfortable with when RIII is handheld for portraits, some not really fast moving subjects?


My usual process when reviewing a series is to make a first pass and assign one star in LR for things in focus and a potentially acceptable composition/exposure. I'd say roughly 90% of pics get a star on this first pass. I like to see everything I shot before I start making decisions about potential keepers.

The second pass is to determine which ones I might spend more time with. In this pass I am really thinking about composition (and expressions if the subject is people). Some tweaking happens here (large exposure adjustments if needed, large WB corrections). This pass involves assigning two stars.

The third pass involves tweaking as these are images I consider keepers. I like the composition (and expressions if people pics). Assigning the third star means I like it enough that I will be sharing it or possibly printing it. Either at the 2 star or 3 star stage I've done a generic B&W conversion in LR and if the image had potential I may have done a conversion in Silver Efex Pro. At the 3 star stage I am cloning out/healing any sensor dust or other artifacts. I may be adding exposure gradients in LR. Masking certain areas for local edits. Making duplicates in LR (the copy image function) to try out different processing (either in LR or by exporting into Silver Efex Pro, Viveza, or other programs in the Nik suite). I often export 3 star pics to my desktop for either sharing or posting on MR. 4 star pics are ones I would consider printing (and I estimate them to be maybe 1% or less). 5 star pics are ones I consider my absolute best.

My 10-20% keeper rate refers to pics that get at least 3 stars. My standards for what gets the third star aren't totally constant, so it might be a little higher (or lower). But sorting LR by 3 stars means I am only seeing things that are at least "good" by my standards and have been processed in post. It's a good starting place looking for pics to print/share or for pics that I might want to look at again and process differently.

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Your second question is a little harder to answer as my reasoning may not be the answer you were expecting. I have my A7R3 set up to use 1/125th sec as a cutoff for upping the ISO (with ISO set to auto). This has nothing to do with lens/body image stabilization and everything to do with subject motion. In the past I had used a cutoff of 1/60th sec which was fine from a "compensate for camera shake" perspective. It wasn't fine from capturing a rarely-sitting-still little boy perspective ;).

With 1/60th sec I can get sharp photos if he isn't moving (and would likely be true at 1/30th sec or maybe even 1/15th sec). However, more often than not he isn't sitting still. Even for sedate pics (with him eating for example) there can be random bursts of movement that often involve the interesting expressions that I want to capture. At 1/125th sec I can freeze most movement unless he is really active. At 1/60th sec, his face may be sharp but any hand movements will be blurred. This can still result in a pleasing pic however. With experience shooting him over the years, I've had too many blurry pics at 1/60th sec or slower, not because of camera shake or focus miss but because of subject motion blur.

Image stabilization allows you to shoot at slower shutter speeds to avoid camera shake but still creates blur if the shutter speed is too slow to freeze subject motion. It's certainly helpful, but doesn't obviate the need for a faster aperture, higher ISO, or better light (i.e. flash) to freeze motion.

In regard to the latter, I've been using off-camera flash quite extensively recently in indoor people pics (usually bouncing off the ceiling and not using an umbrella). The Sony system isn't the cheapest solution, but it works really, really well. Requires a commander unit in the flash shoe on the camera, but then the flash(es) can be placed anywhere. TTL exposure is usually solid without having to make any adjustments. It's also really easy (and intuitive) to make any flash output changes on the commander unit without having to dig through menus (even if using the flashes in manual mode and not TTL) or without having to touch the flashes themselves. It's the easiest to use flash system I have ever used.

For me, the ease of use (like an order of magnitude better compared to third party solutions or the Nikon flash system) and excellent quality of the output justify the increased cost.
 
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Now, is this a photo worthy of posting on Flickr?
(Hey, You started this)
Me.......of course, the water effects are moving, the ibis is intent on it’s prey and the focus is strong.
Depending on a flickrer reputation, friends and groups this photo appears this will get over 100 views.
Some other dude captures the eye of the isis, filters and alters the bejebus out of the photo has 34 k followers and gets 2k views in 2 days.
So next year is this photo worthy of being live if the situation calls to remove photos?
That I what I’m doing this week, kinda tough with asking clients “can I delete you singing photos”
Tonite, I need to delete 120 photos of my 11 month old cat.

Nice photo tho!
 
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Now, is this a photo worthy of posting on Flickr?
(Hey, You started this)
Me.......of course, the water effects are moving, the ibis is intent on it’s prey and the focus is strong.
Depending on a flickrer reputation, friends and groups this photo appears this will get over 100 views.
Some other dude captures the eye of the isis, filters and alters the bejebus out of the photo has 34 k followers and gets 2k views in 2 days.
So next year is this photo worthy of being live if the situation calls to remove photos?
That I what I’m doing this week, kinda tough with asking clients “can I delete you singing photos”
Tonite, I need to delete 120 photos of my 11 month old cat.

Nice photo tho!


At one point in the past, I was concerned about how many 'likes' or whatever positive reinforcements I received. Not now. No Instagram, no Flickr, not many posts outside of MR. I just share when it's relevant. Giving it away.
And, I haven't deleted any photos of my kittehs. :)
 

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At one point in the past, I was concerned about how many 'likes' or whatever positive reinforcements I received. Not now. No Instagram, no Flickr, not many posts outside of MR. I just share when it's relevant. Giving it away.
And, I haven't deleted any photos of my kittehs. :)
Gave you a like! MR is the fun place to hang out.
I'm never going to win any popularity contests. I'm far too grumpy!
 

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Honestly I keep everything I shoot, but only a fraction of it sees the light of day.
 

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Gave you a like! MR is the fun place to hang out.
I'm never going to win any popularity contests. I'm far too grumpy!

Thanks for the “like” ;)

That was my point though. A lot of social media sites seem to be all about being popular. Combined with sharing photos, it gets away from the art of it.
 

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Thanks for the “like” ;)

That was my point though. A lot of social media sites seem to be all about being popular. Combined with sharing photos, it gets away from the art of it.

but back to the meaning of this thread, lil ol' me having over 4000 photos from 2008 on flickr was unorganized, undisciplined and clutter-some. (the ones i took of jazz singers back in 2010 were unfocused, jittery and overcool saturated, unworthy of their talents, they had amazing views and likes, but they are all gone now) the revised version of the my photos are all personally titled, in focus and interesting. in down to 1,066 now.
A like for me is an reward for the 4 hours walking, aiming, patience and dedication to capture a photo of a huron soaring down a stream. 100 views compared to 10 adds self gratitude and will expand my photography.
 
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For me , it depends on a bunch of things . I trash a huge percentage of macro shots , the higher the magnification the greater the percentage until I'm at 90+% rejection on shots over 1X magnification . Landscapes , pretty much everything save the stuff that's misfocused/misshot (those pics of my shoes)gets saved . Usually I go through these at my leisure , I've got a lot of storage and backup space so it's not a big deal .I'm too organizationally dysfunctional to go giving stars and keywords for individual images and the like , plus when Lightroom came out I had several thousand images nicely organized by date and keyword in Bridge . Stuff in motion , birds/bugs and the like gets culled pretty bad , maybe 75% , simply due to a big percentage of missed shots .
It also varies as to what camera I'm using . Almost 100% keepers with the M9 , simply due to the fact that it forces me to think before I shoot . Probably 85-90% with my 5D2 , less than 75% with the 7D2 as it's largely used for birds and bugs.
I wipe out all the images on my working drive annually to keep down some clutter ,the current and previous years are backed up to 2 internal drives and ,every few months , to a 4Tb. external .
 

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are youse timid or reluctant to post your flickr link to this website?
I am! i have a knack of rubbing people the wrong way. last month i asked a MR person "if they went to an apple store that sold fruit instead of computers". Luckily for me he got the joke, but if they were a psyco.....they would have spitefully messed with the flickr account.

i just started using 2 2GB flash drives in the nikon for pleasure photography, this helps organize and control the inventory of photos taken.
 

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are youse timid or reluctant to post your flickr link to this website?
I am! i have a knack of rubbing people the wrong way. last month i asked a MR person "if they went to an apple store that sold fruit instead of computers". Luckily for me he got the joke, but if they were a psyco.....they would have spitefully messed with the flickr account.

i just started using 2 2GB flash drives in the nikon for pleasure photography, this helps organize and control the inventory of photos taken.
How can someone mess with your Flickr account?
 

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that is too easy!
they can report abuse and spam, trash comments, go after friends, well i don't want to give humans any ideas.

oh wow, I was only thinking making rude comments but I am just, thankfully(?), not popular enough to warrant any of the abuse above.
 
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