Reactions to Apple Samsung verdict?

[Vegastouch]

Oops, you failed at quoting and put a false spin on Steve's words. Let's not mislead anyone here.

Here's what Steve Jobs *really* said:

"Ultimately it comes down to taste. It comes down to trying to expose yourself to the best things that humans have done and then try to bring those things in to what you're doing.*

I mean Picasso had a saying he said good artists copy great artists steal. And we have always been shameless about stealing great ideas and I think part of what made the Macintosh great was that the people working on it were musicians and poets and artists and zoologists and historians who also happened to be the best computer scientists in the world.

The only problem with Microsoft is they just have no taste, they have absolutely no taste, and what that means is - I don't mean that in a small way I mean that in a big way. In the sense that they they don't think of original ideas and they don't bring much culture into their product and you say why is that important - well you know proportionally spaced fonts come from type setting and beautiful books, that's where one gets the idea - if it weren't for the Mac they would never have that in their products and so I guess I am saddened, not by Microsoft's success - I have no problem with their success, they've earned their success for the most part. I have a problem with the fact that they just make really third rate products".

Steve was talking about innovation.

What is different here? He quoted a statement and then went on to say "And we have always been shameless about stealing great ideas". Its the same thing. Then he blasts Microsoft after they bailed him out of backrupcy.

Greatfull guy

 

[Technarchy]

Wasn't Steve Jobs famous for following the mantra, "Good artists copy. Great artists steal."

Here's the video that includes the "we've been shameless about stealing great ideas." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW0DUg63lqU

Ha, love the double standard, which trickles down to its "fans" like Technarchy and his ilk. They live in an amazing world.

Context and meaning seldom resonate in simple minds, so I have no doubt there are fools that think that false quote presents a double standard.

Let's actually take a look at what was said, and the full context when reviewed as it was spoken by Steve Jobs, because that whole segment was an allegory about Apple "stealing" ideas from larger artistic and historical concepts, and Microsoft stealing directly from Apple.

What Steve Jobs actually said:

Ultimately it comes down to taste. It comes down to trying to expose yourself to the best things that humans have done and then try to bring those things in to what you're doing. I mean Picasso had a saying he said good artists copy great artists steal. And we have always been shameless about stealing great ideas and I think part of what made the Macintosh great was that the people working on it were musicians and poets and artists and zoologists and historians who also happened to be the best computer scientists in the world.


The only problem with Microsoft is they just have no taste, they have absolutely no taste, and what that means is - I don't mean that in a small way I mean that in a big way. In the sense that they they don't think of original ideas and they don't bring much culture into their product ehm and you say why is that important - well you know proportionally spaced fonts come from type setting and beautiful books, that's where one gets the idea - if it weren't for the Mac they would never have that in their products and so I guess I am saddened, not by Microsoft's success - I have no problem with their success, they've earned their success for the most part. I have a problem with the fact that they just make really third rate products.

 

[Vegastouch]

Steve Jobs a hyprocrite and a douche. Suspect he's contributed more to this world than you ever will. Enjoy ignorance!

Well its all right there in the quote you posted. Enjoy your fanboyism

 

[entatlrg]

Thanks for posting that. I was gonna post it for anybody who asked me to source the 1994 quote.

You where going to spread things taken out of context too? People are grasping at straws with their Steve Jobs and Apple hate.

Let's try it in court and let a Jury decide ... oh wait

----------

Well it all right there in the quote you posted. Enjoy your fanboyism

Oops you didn't read the quote before posting did you? Lol. Or do you need a hand comphrehending the sentences, surely one of us will help. Actually if you search the forums on the topic it's more clearly explained in previous posts. That should help.

By the way, thanks for the insult, shows your character.

 

[RMXO]

Appeals court here they come, I'll wait & see what comes from that since I knew whatever the outcome would go to appeals court anyways.

 

[3bs]

Like I said, this will be in appeal for years. And when Google takes Apple to court over patent infringement, karma will be complete. You can expect Apple to be fined billions for willfully and knowingly copying Google's (patent pending) Notification Center and it is all thanks to the precedent set by Apple here in this very case. Mark my words, Google will cite this very case.

Of course, that will be in appeal for years too, only difference is Apple continues to utilize a stolen idea in all versions of iOS and now, even on Macs. If Apple is found guilty, the verdict today is gonna look like chump change.

Did Google really patent the Notification Center idea?

 

[entatlrg]

Did Google really patent the Notification Center idea?

No, it's Palm's / Hawkins invention.

 

[Calidude]

Let's actually take a look at what was said, and the full context when reviewed as it was spoken by Steve Jobs, because that whole segment was an allegory about Apple "stealing" ideas from larger artistic and historical concepts, and Microsoft stealing directly from Apple.

Yeah, and according to what Jobs said he goes by, Samsung stealing Apple's artistic and historical concepts makes them a "great artist".

It doesn't matter whether you go way back to Egyptian Architecture or as recent as the design of the iPhone's rounded rectangle shape. It's a historical feat of man's ingenuity and it can be stolen by anybody, because it's the best ever made, and that's what makes an artist who steals those best concepts "great".

To be fair, I'm sure Jobs' mind had yet to be corrupted by bloodsucking lawyers when he declared such a permissive methodology for all people to follow.

 

[onthecouchagain]

Oops, you failed at quoting and put a false spin on Steve's words. Let's not mislead anyone here.

Here's what Steve Jobs *really* said:

"Ultimately it comes down to taste. It comes down to trying to expose yourself to the best things that humans have done and then try to bring those things in to what you're doing.*

I mean Picasso had a saying he said good artists copy great artists steal. And we have always been shameless about stealing great ideas and I think part of what made the Macintosh great was that the people working on it were musicians and poets and artists and zoologists and historians who also happened to be the best computer scientists in the world.

The only problem with Microsoft is they just have no taste, they have absolutely no taste, and what that means is - I don't mean that in a small way I mean that in a big way. In the sense that they they don't think of original ideas and they don't bring much culture into their product and you say why is that important - well you know proportionally spaced fonts come from type setting and beautiful books, that's where one gets the idea - if it weren't for the Mac they would never have that in their products and so I guess I am saddened, not by Microsoft's success - I have no problem with their success, they've earned their success for the most part. I have a problem with the fact that they just make really third rate products".

Steve was talking about innovation.

Uh, yeah. That was the video I linked in my post. Thanks for typing or C&P-ing it out for us?

----------

Regardless of how we interpret what Steve Jobs said, it doesn't change the fact that a lot of iOS' features are taken (stolen, if you want to use that word) from others. That's the point. I have incredible respect for Steve, and I'm a huge Apple fan, but there's no denying Apple copies to some degree too. Those of you who want to live in your own world thinking somehow their version of copying isn't the same as others can, but you're not being intellectually honest.

And frankly, I haven't seen Apple innovate with the iPhone since the iPhone 4, but I suppose that's another discussion.

 

[Calidude]

@Technarchy and entatlrg

if it weren't for the Mac they would never have that in their products and so I guess I am saddened, not by Microsoft's success - I have no problem with their success, they've earned their success for the most part. I have a problem with the fact that they just make really third rate products.

Note that despite acknowledging that Microsoft directly stole their ideas, he makes no mention of the immorality or illegality of their action, but rather, he claims to only have a problem with the general shoddiness of Microsoft's products.

Which would make sense, because he had just said it was perfectly OK to steal other ideas if they are the best man has to offer.

...just like it's ok for Samsung to steal Apple's ideas since Apple's ideas are the best so far, right?

 

[entatlrg]

Yeah, and according to what Jobs said he goes by, Samsung stealing Apple's artistic and historical concepts makes them a "great artist".

It doesn't matter whether you go way back to Egyptian Architecture or as recent as the design of the iPhone's rounded rectangle shape. It's a historical feat of man's ingenuity and it can be stolen by anybody, because it's the best ever made, and that's what makes an artist who steals those best concepts "great".

To be fair, I'm sure Jobs' mind had yet to be corrupted by bloodsucking lawyers when he declared such a permissive methodology for all people to follow.

There is a difference between stealing/copying and innovation. Don't you understand that?

Maybe if you patented something and had your years of hard work and innovations stolen, then I suspect you'd get it right away.

Apple innovated and won in court.

Samsung copied and lost in court.

----------

@Technarchy and entatlrg


Note that despite acknowledging that Microsoft directly stole their ideas, he makes no mention of the immorality or illegality of their action, but rather, he claims to only have a problem with the general shoddiness of Microsoft's products.

Which would make sense, because he had just said it was perfectly OK to steal other ideas if they are the best man has to offer.

...just like it's ok for Samsung to steal Apple's ideas since Apple's ideas are the best so far, right?

Ideas are not IP covered by patents.

 

[Calidude]

There is a difference between stealing/copying and innovation.

Well, according to pre-hugesuccess and pre-litigator Steve Jobs, Stealing/Copying and Innovation are both perfectly acceptable to do.

Perhaps Samsung should have played that video in court.

 

[Technarchy]

Yeah, and according to what Jobs said he goes by, Samsung stealing Apple's artistic and historical concepts makes them a "great artist".

It doesn't matter whether you go way back to Egyptian Architecture or as recent as the design of the iPhone's rounded rectangle shape. It's a historical feat of man's ingenuity and it can be stolen by anybody, because it's the best ever made, and that's what makes an artist who steals those best concepts "great".

To be fair, I'm sure Jobs' mind had yet to be corrupted by bloodsucking lawyers when he declared such a permissive methodology for all people to follow.

As I said before, for some the context of the allegory will not resonate...that ham-hand analogy you puked up proves me right.

 

[Calidude]

As I said before, for some the context of the allegory will not resonate...that ham-hand analogy you puked up proves me right.

Its easy to dismiss something rather than dispute it, isn't it?

 

[golf1410]

I don't think Apple is doing the right thing.

 

[entatlrg]

Uh, yeah. That was the video I linked in my post. Thanks for typing or C&P-ing it out for us?

----------

Regardless of how we interpret what Steve Jobs said, it doesn't change the fact that a lot of iOS' features are taken (stolen, if you want to use that word) from others. That's the point. I have incredible respect for Steve, and I'm a huge Apple fan, but there's no denying Apple copies too. Those of you who want to live in your own world thinking somehow their version of copying isn't the same as others can, but you're not being intellectually honest.

Point taken. I actually don't 'love' Apple, there's lots of things i dislike about them. Didn't matter to me what two companies where involved, I'm against IP theft, if Apple does it I hope they loose and pay too.

But, I do respect what Steve Jobs accomplished, he didn't do it alone, they where able to revolutionize industry's and create great finished products over and over.

Samsung simply crossed the line, they're on a mission to rip everything Apple and it shows. That's great but they could of lisenced as Microsoft did, instead they went balls out, stopped innovating and tried hard to regain themselves in the smart phone business on Apple's shirt tails. That's wrong, and when patents are involved the plagiarizing Company can loose. And, Sansung did. It's a victory for every designer, innovator and inventor.

----------

Well, according to pre-hugesuccess and pre-litigator Steve Jobs, Stealing/Copying and Innovation are both perfectly acceptable to do.

Perhaps Samsung should have played that video in court.

You also didn't read the words or can't comprehend what's written. Try again. LOL, ideas aren't IP.

 

[Mac.World]

Did Google really patent the Notification Center idea?

Yes, they did. The poster below you doesn't have a clue.

Google's patent on NC: US 2009/0249247

This document describes systems and techniques that may be used to alert a user of a mobile device about an event, such as about the presence of a recently-received message, e.g., an e-mail, voice mail, or text message, or other form of event such as a change in song on a music player running in a background state. In general, when a message is first received (or another event is triggered), a portion of the message may be provided in an area that is outside the main area of a mobile device display, such as by scrolling information about the message through a traditional status bar area of the device. A status bar area is the typically-static area on a device that displays information such as bars for wireless signal strength, a remaining battery life indicator, an icon that shows the network over which wireless communication is occurring, and the like. The main area or zone of the display is generally the central, largest area of a display where active programs are displayed, while supplemental elements are typically displayed around the periphery of the main area or over the main area in pop up windows or similar graphical elements.

Where the event that is being noticed is a message, the scrolling notification for the message may include, for example, an identifier for the sender of the message and a snippet from the message, such as the first few words in an e-mail or a subject line from an e-mail. The alert may also include an icon showing the type of message, such as an envelope for an e-mail message. Where the alert is not a message, the scrolling notification may include other descriptive or suggestive text or graphics, such as the title of a song, the status of a device parameter that is being reported, the identity of an item (e.g., a physical good or a computer application) that currently became available at an on-line marketplace, and other such information.

----------

No, it's Palm's / Hawkins invention.

Wrong. Welcome to Google Search. See above.

 

[onthecouchagain]

Point taken. I actually don't 'love' Apple, there's lots of things i dislike about them. Didn't matter to me what two companies where involved, I'm against IP theft, if Apple does it I hope they loose and pay too.

But, I do respect what Steve Jobs accomplished, he didn't do it alone, they where able to revolutionize industry's and create great finished products over and over.

Samsung simply crossed the line, they're on a mission to rip everything Apple and it shows. That's great but they could of lisenced as Microsoft did, instead they went balls out, stopped innovating and tried hard to regain themselves in the smart phone business on Apple's shirt tails. That's wrong, and when patents are involved the plagiarizing Company can loose. And, Sansung did. It's a victory for every designer, innovator and inventor.

Fair enough.

At this point and time, however, I feel like Samsung is making attempts to innovate more than Apple are. I'm not even a fan of the GSIII and I'm even less of a fan of TouchWiz, but their latest offering does involve some novel ideas. Smart Stay, Direct Dial via proximity sensor, pop out play, NFC-tags, tilt to scroll, WiFi picture sharing, and a few other things I can't remember all really help make the smartphone feel smart (imagine for a moment too, if Apple were the first to introduce these features, what the likes of Technarchy and other devoted-iOS fans would say. They'd have a field day showing this stuff off). I just don't get the same awe from iOS 6, and frankly, never did even when I owned the 4 and 4S. In fact, often times it felt held back and gimped. But I suppose I'm not exactly Apple's target audience with iOS.

Anyway, I do remember Samsung's top dog said they plan to focus on software, improving TouchWiz even further. I think this recent court finding will motivate that endeavor even further.

 

[Vegastouch]

You where going to spread things taken out of context too? People are grasping at straws with their Steve Jobs and Apple hate.

Let's try it in court and let a Jury decide ... oh wait

----------



Oops you didn't read the quote before posting did you? Lol. Or do you need a hand comphrehending the sentences, surely one of us will help. Actually if you search the forums on the topic it's more clearly explained in previous posts. That should help.

By the way, thanks for the insult, shows your character.

Yes i did, he quoted Picasso who said the initial quote about stealing ideas and then went on to say "we have been shameless about stealing ideas".

Maybe you dont understand what you post. And is saying you are a fanboy an insult? Is it worse than you saying i need a hand comprehending what i read? Your a hypocrite like Steve Jobs.....lol

OR, like a good fanboy, your reading something else into it which id love to hear, ...because Apple didnt innovate ideas, they stole them and added to it to try to say it is theirs.

 

[Grolubao]

I'm just disgusted with all this patent bull*hit. If the guy who create a table long time ago or the guy who invented the car would patent them, we would be in great trouble. I'm ok that apple wins the case, as a matter of fact Samsung did copy the iPhone, but this patent system is just becoming ridiculous...