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Why don't you ask her?



Obviously she doesn't feel the same. For most women, there's a sea change somewhere between 17 and 22. It seems like much of what you're upset about are these changes. You're hanging on to what she was and not trying to adjust to who she is becoming.

i have asked her, but she's not a good talker, and sometimes she says that's it's hard to talk to me. (i don't know why, i'm a pretty understanding guy)

it's not that i'm not trying to adjust, but i think some of the things that she's doing isn't good. not just for me and our relationship, but for her as person as well. especially if she's a Christian and she doesn't like drinking b/c her brother just got out of jail.

maybe my post above this will explain a little better
 
i have asked her, but she's not a good talker, and sometimes she says that's it's hard to talk to me. (i don't know why, i'm a pretty understanding guy)

it's not that i'm not trying to adjust, but i think some of the things that she's doing isn't good. not just for me and our relationship, but for her as person as well.

I think these two paragraphs present such a contradiction. I mean, here you're saying you're easy to talk to and understanding and next you're saying you don't think things she's doing are any good for her. That's for her to decide. You don't think this attitude gets noticed? You don't think she's uncomfortable talking to you about this because of it?

Maybe you missed my edited addition in the post you quoted, so here it is again:

I think your relationship is dying and you're searching for something or someone to blame. You'll eventually find there is no blame to be had. These things just are.

You've probably already lost her. It might be hard for her to come out and dump you because she doesn't want to break your heart, so the relationship might be due for some festering.
 
I think these two paragraphs present such a contradiction. I mean, here you're saying you're easy to talk to and understanding and next you're saying you don't think things she's doing are any good for her. That's for her to decide. You don't think this attitude gets noticed? You don't think she's uncomfortable talking to you about this because of it?

Maybe you missed my edited addition in the post you quoted, so here it is again:



You've probably already lost her. It might be hard for her to come out and dump you because she doesn't want to break your heart, so the relationship might be due for some festering.

just because i'm an understanding person and stuff doesn't mean i'm not rashional. you can't judge yourself, cuz you don't see what other people see about you. i don't go around telling myself "good job!", that's for other people to do, if i really do a good job at something.

so i've already lost her......that's great advice. you just made me feel so much better....

I wouldn't mind listening (or reading in this case). :)

well, it's a long story, and it started a long time ago, but i'll try to explain just one thing that has to do with it. (remember, it's not the only thing, just one)

first a little more background....before i started going out with my girlfriend, i was hanging around the wrong people, doing the wrong things. this has nothing to with her (clearly), probably more with my parents (mainly my dad), but whatever the reason, i wasn't doing very good things. and i realized this eventually, and i knew i needed a change in my life.

after having several different girlfriends, none of which were serious (but one hurt me), i decided i wanted a more serious one, and one that would MAKE me change my bad ways. so i pursued after the girl that i'm with now.

it turned out that she liked me quite a bit (she told me that she never thought that i've ever go for her), and we hit it off quite well. we had several similarities, and we never had any disagreements at all for the first 3 months.

but she never MADE me choose between her and the bad things that i was doing, which i was surprized b/c her whole family are strong christians, and i thought she hated some of the things i was doing. she didn't like them, but said that she wanted me to be happy, and didn't want to run me off.

i eventually stopped doing those things, and everything around me got better. my running, my grades, everything. i had grown up around church, but i had stopped going when my parents stopped. but i started going again with her, to her church (25 minutes away). i went pretty often.

but there was a guy there that she basically had grown up with. it turned out that he really liked her, and they had went to prom and homecoming before i came along. but it was clear that he still liked her, but she wouldn't admit to it. i even asked why she didn't like him, and she said she just didn't. to this day, i still think there's more to the story than i know.

well, during church, we sat on the very back row, and sometimes i would notice when he would turn his had back to her, and sometimes stare for a few minutes. just something i noticed. but when everyone would greet each other, he would always come behind the last row, and grap her arm from behind to greet her, which i hated. i brought this up to her, and she said that it was nothing. i basically said 'you know him, this is your church, and you know all the people around here. i think you should just say something to him about it, and then it'd be over with." but she never would, and i evenually stopped going to the church.

again, this isn't the only reason, just one. and i've been to other churches since then, but not near as much as i should.

hope that wasn't too boring
 
Going to church because she goes to church never works out. You have to make the choice for yourself.

Also, I think you two should take a "time out" for a few weeks. Not communicate in any way. Then, come back, collect your thoughts and see what happens. I've seen it work wonders :)
 
Totally agree with true777.

A couple random thoughts:

Do you have sex together? I noticed that you live on separate floors, and not in the same suite.

You mention some other guy, and how you asked her to confront him, and when she did not, you stopped going to that church. Yes, ideally she'd talk to him, but you've also said that she's a bit non-confrontational, so perhaps you should not remove yourself from the situation, but rather talk to the guy yourself.

What do the two of you do for excitement and entertainment? How do you both explore the world around you? What new things have you tried recently? Personally, if my chick was looking for some fun, apart from me, I'd try to be making time with me fun, to see if it's me or the fun that's the issue.

Oh, and about that no alcohol, DUI stuff. I wouldn't be too surprised about her changing her position on that. There comes a point where people have to stop reacting against other people's problems (her brother's?), and start making decisions for themselves. Clearly there's a sane middle ground where she does not have to drink and drive, herself, that she may be ready to explore.

You keep talking about "fixing" this situation. I'm not sure what you mean by that. Perhaps you view all her actions as incorrect, symptoms of a problem to be fixed. That would probably be a perspective that won't be helpful at all. Perhaps you mean to understand her motivations (she might not herself), and find a way for both of you to be happy together. That might be more helpful.
 
Oh, and about that no alcohol, DUI stuff. I wouldn't be too surprised about her changing her position on that. There comes a point where people have to stop reacting against other people's problems (her brother's?), and start making decisions for themselves. Clearly there's a sane middle ground where she does not have to drink and drive, herself, that she may be ready to explore.

Truth truth.

Many people limit themselves based on what they have seen other people do wrong, but the strength to control yourself usually isn't strong enough unless you have been there yourself...
 
Truth truth.

Many people limit themselves based on what they have seen other people do wrong, but the strength to control yourself usually isn't strong enough unless you have been there yourself...

Totally agree, which is why I drink and drive all the time. Because I'm strong like that ;)

/Sorry, this thread needs a little humour
 
sorry i've been away from internet access lately (at my parents house). thought i would update this thread. before i respond to these replies, i wanted to say that i gave my girlfriend a photobook from Apple, and she got it today. she loved it, it was pictures of me and her.

things are better now, but still not where they need to be. it seems anything i try to talk about our relationship, she gets mad. just talking. but i think we are at least on the right track

Going to church because she goes to church never works out. You have to make the choice for yourself.

Also, I think you two should take a "time out" for a few weeks. Not communicate in any way. Then, come back, collect your thoughts and see what happens. I've seen it work wonders :)

you are right, i shouldn't go to church just because of her. and i didn't. i knew that going to church was the right thing to do. she gave me a church to go to after my parents stopped going to our old church.

that might be a good idea, but it's near impossible to not communicate for weeks. especially since we are both on the track team and live in the same building

Totally agree with true777.

A couple random thoughts:

Do you have sex together? I noticed that you live on separate floors, and not in the same suite.

You mention some other guy, and how you asked her to confront him, and when she did not, you stopped going to that church. Yes, ideally she'd talk to him, but you've also said that she's a bit non-confrontational, so perhaps you should not remove yourself from the situation, but rather talk to the guy yourself.

What do the two of you do for excitement and entertainment? How do you both explore the world around you? What new things have you tried recently? Personally, if my chick was looking for some fun, apart from me, I'd try to be making time with me fun, to see if it's me or the fun that's the issue.

Oh, and about that no alcohol, DUI stuff. I wouldn't be too surprised about her changing her position on that. There comes a point where people have to stop reacting against other people's problems (her brother's?), and start making decisions for themselves. Clearly there's a sane middle ground where she does not have to drink and drive, herself, that she may be ready to explore.

You keep talking about "fixing" this situation. I'm not sure what you mean by that. Perhaps you view all her actions as incorrect, symptoms of a problem to be fixed. That would probably be a perspective that won't be helpful at all. Perhaps you mean to understand her motivations (she might not herself), and find a way for both of you to be happy together. That might be more helpful.

thanks for the reply.

i'm not going to comment on the sex thing. she doesn't like to talk about that sort of thing, and i try to uphold that

the reason i think that she should have confronted the guy was mainly because she's known him all her life basically, i didn't know him at all, and i'd probably put him in the hospital. not that i'm a bad guy, but some things i just don't put up with. and she did go to prom and homecoming with him.

well, for fun, we don't really have much free time. she studies more than i do. we don't go to many places except home (parent's houses), mainly because i usually have to take wherever she wants to go, and she's close with her family. we are always making silly music videos, and recording ourselves singing (no i won't share), and going to movies, out to eat, the basic stuff.

i agree with your last statement. i know that our relationship will never stay the same, always changing to a certain extent. i'm not trying to control or change her, but understand why she's doing what she's doing, and maybe help her make some of these decisions that she's making

Truth truth.

Many people limit themselves based on what they have seen other people do wrong, but the strength to control yourself usually isn't strong enough unless you have been there yourself...

there is some truth to this. i've been there myself, so yes i can control myself. but that's why i believe i can show her from my experiences, and i expect her to trust my judgement, especially on certain things. she shouldn't have to go through the same things that i've been through
 
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