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Remembering Steve Jobs, Who Passed Away 12 Years Ago Today
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Yes, I understand. Sometimes people just love what they had in the past too much.
Skeuomorphic design was at the very core of what Steve Jobs stood for (i.e., providing visual cues so that novices like children, the elderly, and others could use a computer, smartphone, or tablet GUI). A lot of people on this forum praising Jobs today are the same people who were voicing happiness and commending Apple for getting rid of skeuomorphism and replacing it with flat design.
Yes, but when it came to the single most important thing about Apple—its GUI design—Tim Cook fired the number-one most talented, informed, and experienced GUI visionary in the world, who was also Steve Jobs' protégé from NeXT: Scott Forstall.
The fact that Cook couldn't recognize Forstall's irreplaceable value shows just how opposed Cook's values are to those of Jobs.
I'm sure the fact many employees, including high level ones, were unwilling to work alongside Forstall, indicating workplace conflict, had nothing to do with it.
It was Tim Cook's job to keep Scott Forstall on a leash (by keeping him separated from other high-level employees and being present in the room whenever there needed to be a meeting with them included at the same time). That's what Steve Jobs did. Cook failed at that. It was also Cook's job to keep Jony Ive on a leash (by stopping him from implementing his many horrible designs and letting his few exceedingly outstanding designs be implemented). That's what Jobs did. Cook failed at that.
Not only did Cook fail at that, but he also overstretched Ive by putting him in charge of things he didn't care much about, such as UI design, interior design, and architectural design. Ive cared about industrial design, and that's what he was trained to do. Stretching Ive that thin made him quit the company.
Yeah let’s rid them of the little humanity some of them still have
Read please about true hero who died the same month and year - Dennis Ritchie true Parent of modern IT
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I admire both of them but without engineers and devs (who gives work to us, Testers
) nothing would be achieved even with great man Steve with vision steering it Dennis made backgrounds for almost every OS we have now, broke assign of SW to certain HW and the C language is used in many machines (before compilation to machine level)
But, everybody who worked in projects knows how important is to have leading people who force to do something than running circles and achieving nothing in the end.
I remember the last WWDC with Jobs. He was an extraordinary type of guy. Jobs was Apple.
Having spoken to Steve many times and where Steve's NeXT computer was used essentially to build the internet that we know today, I think the world has an incorrect portrayal of him. He was certainly NOT difficult, certainly NOT aggressive. He was though filled with passion about computing and all things related to it.
Chuck Geschke too was a great guy, and also played a big part in Steve's NeXTOS which still provides the basis to all of Apple's software today.
I spoke to Chuck many a time when I was told there was this guy developing a programme called PostScript. Steve saw the potential as prior to that it was not WYSIWIG, but what you see is nothing like you get!
We must remember too how Apple thought it a great idea to lose Steve. Apple with Pepsi's John Sculley at the helm was nearly sent into bankruptcy, and whilst Steve's NeXT computer didn't become the commercial success he hoped, its development along with its software meant Apple had to go on bended knee to get him back, virtually bankrupt, and had to pay him a fortune to get their hands on his work, which saved Apple from oblivion.
Yet Apple is manufacturing and selling 600,000+ iPhones every single day of the year (on the average) to a pool of roughly 1 Billion active and repeat customers.
How in the world can Apple survive on that not having Forstall on-board? Apple is doomed without him.
I don't value cook at all I don't really like him he's not exciting he's boring and doesn't know anything about innovation like Steve jobs , without Steve jobs apple wouldn't be as successful as it is today. does anyone remember when apple was on the brink of bankruptcy they were failing their computers were terrible microsoft was winning the computer war at that time and Steve jobs got apple out of it and made it the most successful company ever. Tim cook could never do that all Tim cook did is take Steve existing ideas and tweak it a little and call it new if Steve never existed and Tim cook was the CEO instead apple would of went bankrupt and failed Tim cook would never have the vision and creativity that Steve had there would never be a iPod , iPhone , iPad , Mac without Steve jobs!
Wish-casting and strawmen.
Jobs was a visionary CEO, not a savior.
Again, whether the Cook detractors like it or not, Jobs hired Cook, Jobs elevated Cook to manage the future of the company.
Forstall was hard to work with and was responsible (as the boss) with the borking of Maps which led to his ouster, and Ive flew too close to the sun with thinner and lighter design before Apple Silicon was ready, which caused Apple years of criticism about malaise (I do remember the withering criticisms of Ive over those years as well).
Jobs was a visionary CEO, not a savior.
Again, whether the Cook detractors like it or not, Jobs hired Cook, Jobs elevated Cook to manage the future of the company.
Forstall was hard to work with and was responsible (as the boss) with the borking of Maps which led to his ouster, and Ive flew too close to the sun with thinner and lighter design before Apple Silicon was ready, which caused Apple years of criticism about malaise (I do remember the withering criticisms of Ive over those years as well).
Steve jobs saved apple from bankruptcy without him apple would be bankrupt the iPod was the biggest selling device til the iPhone came out and that's what saved apple
Of course. I don't dispute that.
Jobs came back to Apple as a wiser CEO. But again, Jobs hired Tim Cook, Tim Cook made the company's systems/supply chain much more efficient, and Jobs elevated Tim Cook to run it all. Not Forstall. Not Ive.
Actually what has happened is that Intel didn't ship processors as promised because of their difficulty upgrading their fab process. This occurred because whereas once Intel had been run by the Great Andy Grove, it was later run by finance people, not engineers. There is no better way to destroy a high technology company like Intel than to have run by a finance person instead of an engineer. Contrast that with TSMC run by Morris Chang, a PhD very experienced engineer with degrees from MIT and Stanford.
Steve's just more entertaining and most people here would follow him to heck and back again on the sheer good will of his products.Read please about true hero who died the same month and year - Dennis Ritchie true Parent of modern IT
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I admire both of them but without engineers and devs (who gives work to us, Testers
Dennis made backgrounds for almost every OS we have now, broke assign of SW to certain HW and the C language is used in many machines (before compilation to machine level)
But, everybody who worked in projects knows how important is to have leading people who force to do something than running circles and achieving nothing in the end.
Anyone who can afford quality would buy his products. I've used cheap as sh_t laptops and they're worth the price being charged.
Jobs has a better origin story. Orphaned kid from a white mother and mysterious father. Who was later revealed to be a Syrian immigrant.
He's also a drop out hippie pot head who traveled to India to emulate the Beatles. Ritchie likely traveled internationally to do lectures.
Comparing the two is doing Ritchie a disservice as likely he was a private person. Many champion him because he's being framed as an anti-capitalist slash anti-billionaire.
With what he knew and the social circle he was in he'd likely been able to that but he chose not to because it was likely not his goal in life.
RIP a true visionary. Selfishly wish he was around so we wouldn't get iPhone 11xyz with 2% more rounded corners every year. Man, he just had the gift of invention, or at the very least marketing something old as new and innovative. It really makes me wonder what we would all be using today and if he would really be proud that Apple turned into the villain in the 1984 ad.
By now I’m not sad anymore he passed away but happy he was around and accomplished all these incredible things that make our life better every day.
Tim Cook supporters think more sales equals higher quality products. If that's the case, then Windows is better than Mac OS, and Steve Ballmer was a better CEO than Steve Jobs because Ballmer sold far more units of operating systems than Jobs.
Nope.
I suspect you may not know that there are far more Windows-based computers in the world (currently representing 87% of overall personal computer sales), especially in business/government, made by many different PC manufacturers, going back decades. Guess which OS is required for them to operate?
Which has absolutely nothing to do with consumers making an intelligent and well-informed smart phone choice.
The good news is, you have many smart phone options to chose from. If Apple's doesn't float your boat with respect to being a better and higher quality product, simply go with a Toshiba or Sanyo smart phone.
The vast majority of people in every country on the planet choose Android phones over iPhones. I never said more sales equals a higher quality product. I was criticizing Tim Cook supporters who say more sales means a CEO is doing a good job. Tim Cook supporters say he is doing a good job because under him being CEO, Apple made far more sales than under Steve Jobs being CEO.
My opinion is that Mac OS and iOS have always been higher quality than Windows and Android, respectively. I just think that under Tim Cook, Mac OS and iOS have declined tremendously in quality compared to when Steve Jobs was CEO.
Tim Cook supporters cannot comprehend how astronomically high profits does not objectively equal high quality products. Oh, they can comprehend that when it comes to Microsoft and Google products, but they cannot comprehend that when it comes to Cook-era Apple products.
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In a parallel universe…. Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, and Tim Berners-Lee all die on the same day (freak accident at a tech. conference). They ascend to Heaven and are judged by God.
First, God asks Bill Gates, “What did you do with your life?”
Bill responds, “I marketed the Windows operating system, which popularised home computing.”
“Well done,” says God, “You can sit at my left side.”
Bill takes his seat on God’s left.
Next, God asks Tim Berners-Lee, “What did you do with your life?”
Tim responds, “I invented HTML, which enabled all the personal computers to talk to each other, connecting the world.”
“Well done,” says God, “You can sit at my right side.”
Tim takes his seat on God’s right.
Finally, God asks Steve Jobs, “What did you do with your life?”
Steve looks at God and says, “You’re sitting in my seat.”
First, God asks Bill Gates, “What did you do with your life?”
Bill responds, “I marketed the Windows operating system, which popularised home computing.”
“Well done,” says God, “You can sit at my left side.”
Bill takes his seat on God’s left.
Next, God asks Tim Berners-Lee, “What did you do with your life?”
Tim responds, “I invented HTML, which enabled all the personal computers to talk to each other, connecting the world.”
“Well done,” says God, “You can sit at my right side.”
Tim takes his seat on God’s right.
Finally, God asks Steve Jobs, “What did you do with your life?”
Steve looks at God and says, “You’re sitting in my seat.”
“Developers, developers, developers”Read please about true hero who died the same month and year - Dennis Ritchie true Parent of modern IT
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Dennis Ritchie - Wikipedia
I admire both of them but without engineers and devs (who gives work to us, Testers
Dennis made backgrounds for almost every OS we have now, broke assign of SW to certain HW and the C language is used in many machines (before compilation to machine level)
But, everybody who worked in projects knows how important is to have leading people who force to do something than running circles and achieving nothing in the end.
With him, they might be selling double as many phones lol