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Jakewilk

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I would say expect to get $1000 CAD for it. Same spec new M2 ipad pro will cost you $2000 after tax. My 2¢? Stage manager is not worth $1000
 

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Those swappa prices are all over the place and don't even make sense.

Look at several sources and average them.
nah it's true at least where I live it's not worth that much anymore .which makes sense given the extra features ,double M1 power (that's insane lol ,80/100% increase is insane in computing world ) ,and crazy good mini led display
yes OP I can see you crying .
 

rui no onna

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Are you sure a $2K+ iPad is the right choice? Is Stage Manager enough to make it a complete laptop replacement for your use?

I mean, I really enjoy using my 1TB M1 iPP and I’ve tried Stage Manager on the beta. However, it’s still not going to replace my Windows desktop and ThinkPad.
 
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rui no onna

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Agreed. I made an expensive mistake, but then again, my previous iPad, the 5th gen budget, was so bad it was almost unusable. If I could go back in time and tell myself to wait for the M1, the 13 additional months of torture would probably have been worth it, assuming I was able to keep my last iPad’s storage from filling up

I hear ya on storage.

I was coming from the 2017 iPP 512GB LTE so when the 2020 iPP was released with 2018 specs (1TB), it was a fairly easy decision to wait.
 

sparksd

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Are you sure a $2K+ iPad is the right choice? Is Stage Manager enough to make it a complete laptop replacement for your use?

I mean, I really enjoy using my 1TB M1 iPP and I’ve tried Stage Manager on the beta. However, it’s still not going to replace my Windows desktop and ThinkPad.

I agree. I have the public beta on my M1 12.9 and while it's nice, it still won't replace my laptop, either. I like the monitor support but the multitasking/multi-windowing implementation is still a bit wonky.
 

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just purchased an ipad pro 2020 and wow that thing is amazing . ask yourself,do you find m1 features truly useful ? stage manager is apparently quite frustrating

in any case as good as it may be i'd never use it as a true laptop replacement.it's only a complimentary device which i believe is what apple wants me to think hahaha
I can vouch, Stage Manager was super cool, but I quickly went back to using my iPad as I always have. There is an awkwardness to using the iPad Pro as a laptop like device that I'm reminded of every time I pick up my M1 MBA. I love my M1 iPP but it's got it's role and a full laptop replacement it isn't, and that's ok.
 

blkjedi954

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Since Apple ruined my 2020 iPad Pro when they announced iPadOS 16, as well as my storage getting full, I’m planning on upgrading to the M2 iPad Pro when it comes out. What is the resale value of a 2020 12.9” Wifi-only 512GB Space Grey iPad Pro in Canada? I plan to sell it on Kijiji, Facebook or EBay and want to get as much money out of it as I can since I’m going all the way to the 2TB Cellular M2 12.9” iPad Pro, which is going to cost thousands of dollars. And should I sell my Magic Keyboard and Apple Pencil as well and get new ones, or can I keep my AppleCare coverage for the accessories when I upgrade my iPad?
I totally get what you're saying. I think many in here are of the mindset that Apple can do NO wrong so they fail to understand the nuance of your statement, with the exception of the expletive, of course. But I too have an IPP 2020 12.9 cellular w/1tb of storage. Cost a pretty penny. And now I'm being weeded out of a significant update, that would bring the IPP 2020 closer to the capabilities of a full fledged computer? In just 2 years at that!! The amount of money this costs me, and to be just left out in the cold, is unnerving to say the least. The fact that Apple didn't have the forethought to design the IPP starting in 2018 w/virtual memory swap capabilities is beyond me. A company approaching 3Tr dollars in value should not make recent pro devices (as well as expensive) obsolete without a thought. We all knew the IPP were a hardware marvel, but what we didn't anticipate was that Apple would deliberately leave out key hardware features that would invariably force recent purchasers of high-end devices to re-invest into NEWER devices because of their insidious planned obsolescence scheme. The new iPadOS 16 feature-set is robust for someone who uses their IPP as a productivity device. So for those who are dismissive of your concerns more than likely use it strictly for consumption. So the A12Z and the M2 chipset would be functionally the same to THEM. But I'm on board with my disappointment in Apple's deceptive and money grabbing machinations. iPad sales have been declining in recent years and they're pulling out all the stops to force those who value and love their devices to prop up their investors. Sad day really. Ignore the unwittingly troll-like comments. They know not what they're saying.
 
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blkjedi954

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just purchased an ipad pro 2020 and wow that thing is amazing . ask yourself,do you find m1 features truly useful ? stage manager is apparently quite frustrating

in any case as good as it may be i'd never use it as a true laptop replacement.it's only a complimentary device which i believe is what apple wants me to think hahaha
There are so many more functional upgrades included in iPadOS 16, so it's kind of weird that the main marketed feature by Apple is ALL that you have in your case against an upgrade. Some of us use our iPP as our main productivity device. So please less condescension when you're clueless to the feature-set that greatly enhances productivity. Ciao!
 

darngooddesign

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I totally get what you're saying. I think many in here are of the mindset that Apple can do NO wrong so they fail to understand the nuance of your statement, with the exception of the expletive, of course. But I too have an IPP 2020 12.9 cellular w/1tb of storage. Cost a pretty penny. And now I'm being weeded out of a significant update, that would bring the IPP 2020 closer to the capabilities of a full fledged computer? In just 2 years at that!! The amount of money this costs me, and to be just left out in the cold, is unnerving to say the least. The fact that Apple didn't have the forethought to design the IPP starting in 2018 w/virtual memory swap capabilities is beyond me. A company approaching 3Tr dollars in value should not make recent pro devices (as well as expensive) obsolete without a thought. We all knew the IPP were a hardware marvel, but what we didn't anticipate was that Apple would deliberately leave out key hardware features that would invariably force recent purchasers of high-end devices to re-invest into NEWER devices because of their insidious planned obsolescence scheme. The new iPadOS 16 feature-set is robust for someone who uses their IPP as a productivity device. So for those who are dismissive of your concerns more than likely use it strictly for consumption. So the A12Z and the M2 chipset would be functionally the same to THEM. But I'm on board with my disappointment in Apple's deceptive and money grabbing machinations. iPad sales have been declining in recent years and they're pulling out all the stops to force those who value and love their devices to prop up their investors. Sad day really. Ignore the unwittingly troll-like comments. They know not what they're saying.
Someone who knows more about chip design than me said in a different thread that the A-chips, being designed as phone chips, do not support paged memory which is required for swap memory while the desktop M chips do. Apple did this in the past with split screen where only the iPad Air 2, which was the most powerful iPad at the time, gpu salt-screen multitasking; I sympathize with people who bought very expensive A12Z iPads, but it may not be the nefarious action it seems like. Once side-loading is enforced by the EU we will probably see someone get MacOS on the iPads.
 

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There are so many more functional upgrades included in iPadOS 16, so it's kind of weird that the main marketed feature by Apple is ALL that you have in your case against an upgrade. Some of us use our iPP as our main productivity device. So please less condescension when you're clueless to the feature-set that greatly enhances productivity. Ciao!
I get that it's frustrating .

I don't see where I've been patronizing however ,would you mind pointing out what sentence or behavior of mine made you feel any condescension?

you're aware that giving an opinion and a personal take isn't being patronizing right ? (now this ,this is condescension)
 
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Someone who knows more about chip design than me said in a different thread that the A-chips, being designed as phone chips, do not support paged memory which is required for swap memory while the desktop M chips do. Apple did this in the past with split screen where only the iPad Air 2, which was the most powerful iPad at the time, gpu salt-screen multitasking; I sympathize with people who bought very expensive A12Z iPads, but it may not be the nefarious action it seems like. Once side-loading is enforced by the EU we will probably see someone get MacOS on the iPads.
but apparently the M1 air doesn't have swap memory ,and yet it has said features ...
 

pianostar9

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Since Apple ruined my 2020 iPad Pro when they announced iPadOS 16,
Spoiler alert: You don’t have to upgrade to it! You could even jailbreak one day and take advantage of the tweaks jailbreaking has to offer!


Also, has nobody else mentioned that the A12Z the 2020 model came with was a rebinned A12X? You should have taken note that they reused the same chip when you were buying it if that’s so important to you.

 

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Spoiler alert: You don’t have to upgrade to it! You could even jailbreak one day and take advantage of the tweaks jailbreaking has to offer!


Also, has nobody else mentioned that the A12Z the 2020 model came with was a rebinned A12X? You should have taken note that they reused the same chip when you were buying it if that’s so important to you.

yeah a12z is kinda a scam .mind you it's still as good nay better than today's android best SOCs,but it's still based on...A12
 

darngooddesign

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yeah a12z is kinda a scam .mind you it's still as good nay better than today's android best SOCs,but it's still based on...A12
I wouldn't really call the A12Z a scam, it's a faster version of the A12X chip.
Everyone thinks they have found the loophole that will prove Apple wrong,

Stage Manager requires M1

Swap Memory requires an M1 and at least 128GB.

Based on what you said in your "should I buy" thread, you aren't doing anything on the iPad which would really benefit from swap memory. When asked you also said that not having Stage Manager wouldn't bother you. Its fine if you've changed your mind and want StageManager, but here's the thing window management is only coming to the A12 via jailbreak. Do no update your iPadOS any further and wait until jailbreak works on your OS version. You wont get StageManager specifically, but there are a couple of other Window management tweaks available.

I haven't jailbroken in a long time, but its generally not harmful unless you are using a sketchy source. In some ways JBing makes your device a little more secure because you can change your root passwords from the default which all iOS devices use. Have fun with it but just be aware of which sources you install from.

Also, ShiftScreen gives you windows and full external display support but they are browser based windows so watch some videos to see if you like it.
 
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Everyone thinks they have found the loophole that will prove Apple wrong,

Stage Manager requires M1

Swap Memory requires an M1 and at least 128GB.

Based on what you said your "should I buy" thread, you aren't doing anything on the iPad which would really benefit from swap memory.
correct me if I'm wrong but this article says that the air has stage manager in spite of lacking swap memory aint that right ?

oh and yeah I'm totally fine myself :) I just recalled of that article which claimed that the swap for stage manager was a "lie"

(as an aside there are certain apps such as pixelmator pro that may come to the ipad thanks to the swap memory .and I'd want pixelmator pro on my ipad.but it's more of a wish than an actual need and I'm not pissed by any means !)
 
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