Returning my Mac Pro.. sadly

[tobyg]

If anyone else has any questions or comments, let me know.

 

[Abulia]

This thread is a prime example of why I can't respect these forums as much as I would like to.

The original poster has explained time and time again why HE needs to return his Mac Pro, yet by the look of many responses you would think he had badmouthed the Mac Pro harshly. People respond as if they are offended by the fact that he isn't satisfied with a certain performance issue and just can't get the fact that somebody wouldn't be satisfied.

I'd like to thank the OP for the issue that he brought up because I have been contemplating a Mac Pro and would like to be aware of as many issues (no matter how big or small they are) before I decide to get one. I'm sure apple will fix this hard drive speed issue (just like the OP said) and it will be fine, but if you need a system now, you need it now and I understand him returning it.

Worth repeating.

As a current PM owner who would like to get a Mac Pro for many of the same reasons (remove a duplicate Windows machine) I am watching these threads closely.

As usual, the Apple faithful do not fail to disappoint with their rhetoric.

 

[Abulia]

Oh, regarding SATA performance, it's not just the Mac Pro. When I ran benchmarks on the MacBook using 7200rpm drives something very strange was going on.

You can review the results here.

 

[damado]

As for the video card heat issues, try one of these

I have one in my HTPC on a 7800GT and it's silent. Cools amazingly too.

 

[The Inevitable]

Yeah I could do that with the graphics card.

I did see your post regarding the firewire drive. But i've already gotten around some of the speed issues by putting my drive on the PATA channel. I don't have a FW800 drive and I am not going to invest more money to make this work when it should just work on the SATA channels.

I agree, but, ultimately, it will be cheaper to buy an external FW800 enclosure (like this one--MacAlly's drive enclosures have always been very good in my experience) and the exhaust fan for the video card than to pay the restocking fee. Also, after Apple fixes the DMA problem, you can still use the FW800 enclosure for other purposes (its pretty fast, afterall).

I don't want you to take my posts the wrong way as trying to convince you to keep your Mac Pro, because, if you feel that it really isn't right for you, I'll support your decision. All I'm trying to do is just make you aware of options you hadn't considered or thought of before to help you with making your decision as to what's right for you.

 

[MacsAttack]

I suspect what happened with the Mac Pro is exactly what appears to have happened with the other Intel machines. That is that Apple did not prioritize development of features that were not required to run OS X prior to launching their new products. It was only some time afterwards that firmware updates and boot camp were relesed.

So far I have seen no reports of major problems running OS X and applications of the Mac Pro. What issues there have been have so far been limited to a handful of people who have encountered problems using third party memory, disks, or video cards. I expect we will see some more fimware updates out of Apple in a month or two.

Some people can't wait of course...

 

[dpaanlka]

That is that Apple did not prioritize development of features that were not required to run OS X

And people are surprised by this because... (???)

 

[killr_b]

I don't need 'support' for Windows... I need 'support' installing Windows on my Mac. Please understand the difference.

You did install windows.
You just don't like the performance.
Apple met their agreement, unless it says specificaly "native performance."

I bet they'll have this fixed by the 13th of september.
The day we all got as shipping dates for X1900 Mac Pros.
If I've learned anything at all, it's that Apple is well aware of problems and they are usually on top of fixing it. Even if they are denying it today.

Apple really screwed the pooch on this one. I LOST $2000 by selling my gaming PeeCee for NOTHING on Ebay... with the understanding that their website said that I could dual boot.

Now, I've bought a Dell to replace it for Games.

I didn't want to... but it just wasn't a solution I was comfortable with.

AND NOW... I don't have the money to buy a Mac Pro when they fix these issues, if ever.

Sounds like you screwed the pooch by jumping the gun- twice. And if you didn't sell your Mac you would have the sweet system when they fix the 'whatever.' I don't pretend to know 'cause I'm still waiting for mine.

So now you have a Dell?? Games aren't that cool...

 

[miniConvert]

I'm sorry your Mac Pro didn't work out as planned, tobyg. Hopefully you'll find a way to try a Mac Pro again once Boot Camp is out of beta.

Mine's still on order So excited!

 

[Chone]

Instead of running out liek that you should have tried with different SATA drivers, I believe someone got SATA drives to run just fine on WinXP by using a USB Floppy and installing the actual drivers from Seagate.

 

[MacManTexas56]

This thread is a perfect example of why apple FANBOYS get such a bad name. I own both a windows machine and an apple machine so i'm not like a majority of the hard core mackies. It's a reality that people need windows. I'm just an average user that likes music and looks at photos on my machines. I don't necessarily NEED windows but that is what I'm used to. I've used it all my life until I got my first mac around 2 years ago. Since I've switched over to using Mac I've noticed a totally different world. If you're on a PC thread you don't hear about people flaming apple or OSX at all. But once you hit the apple boards if anyone mentions anything about windows OR pc people just start flaming them. People need windows and mac os x for different things. THE OP obviously NEEDED both but didn't want to pay $2500 to have mac os x and another $1,000 to buy himself a dell just to run windows. Apple gives off the wrong idea by even mentioning and having ads that MACS run windows too. IT just gives off the wrong impression. IF you're not going to make it work like windows should then don't advertise that you're machine can run it. THE OP simply needed a new machine and he had great experiences with the imac before. Apple got his hopes up by the way they were advertising that it would run windows. and yeah they don't SUPPORT windows but they claim it can run it well just like PC can. Which that isn't true.

Think of this scenario. You are a business man and you travel from Dallas to NYC. You need both windows AND OS X. So you see the apple commercials and hear about BOOT CAMP and decide to take the plunge and order a MBP to suit both your needs. YEAH apple doesn't support it but they are claiming that windows runs great on their hardware so why have a pc? So you order the MBP bc it would be a waste to spend $2,000 for a MBP for os x and then $1,000 for a comparable dell to run your windows. so why not just pay the $2,000 to run both? That's what the OP did. Apple just claims they can RUN windows to get PC users to switch over to apple that is the only reason they are doing that. Otherwise if they didn't want switchers to come over they wouldn't care if the current apple users could have windows on their machines. The fact is the OP needed and wanted a new machine that could run both, so he did what apple suggested and bought a MP thinking he could use both like apple states when in reality that's not true. Too bad the apple fanboys had to be a jerk to the guy for no reason when he was just informing everyone to be careful about their decision. The fanboys is what gives apple their bad impression that most pc users make of them. OP goodluck, hope it works out.

 

[jsw]

It's getting too heated in here.

And I think we've veered wildly off topic.

So, to avoid needing to hand out vacations, I think I'll do the prudent thing and close this.