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goMac

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I could see someone thinking it's a hilarious prank (it's not if people end up spending money on these cards.)

It's not impossible, but still seems like an odd move for Nvidia. I'd wait for independent confirmations or someone like tsialex pulling apart the card firmware before anyone gets too excited.

Edit: Wouldn't that be hilarious if Nvidia secretly hired MacVidCards to do this?

Edit 2: Wait, they're claiming this was added by the v138 Bootrom? Wouldn't we have noticed something then? It doesn't make too much sense that the Bootrom would have changed anything having to do with Nvidia cards.
 
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h9826790

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If RTX cards will have native boot screen. I think this one will be my target (if there is a reasonable good web driver available).

http://www.galax.com/en/graphics-card/20-series/galax-geforce-rtx-2080-oc-white.html

100% reference dual slot card. And should be relatively easier to get in my town.
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Edit 2: Wait, they're claiming this was added by the v138 Bootrom? Wouldn't we have noticed something then? It doesn't make too much sense that the Bootrom would have changed anything having to do with Nvidia cards.

Exactly, if that's because Nvidia added UGA support, then regardless 138 or not, the card will show boot screen.

If that's because 138 added something (e.g. UEFI support), then not just RTX card will shows boot screen.
 

AliGT83

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If RTX cards will have native boot screen. I think this one will be my target (if there is a reasonable good web driver available).

http://www.galax.com/en/graphics-card/20-series/galax-geforce-rtx-2080-oc-white.html

100% reference dual slot card. And should be relatively easier to get in my town.
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Exactly, if that's because Nvidia added UGA support, then regardless 138 or not, the card will show boot screen.

If that's because 138 added something (e.g. UEFI support), then not just RTX card will shows boot screen.


Hmmm in the link you shared... there is a funny sentence there... "Think Different".... am I trying too hard to believe this is true?? hehe
 

Zlobnick

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The Youtube account is not Create.pro's and is "Joined Oct 15, 2018"... Create.pro has their own Youtube channel, why post on this one?
 

AliGT83

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Any chance the RTX fans have been mounted in the GTX680 card... as far as I can tell, from that video there is no way to 100% say that is a real rtx.
 

goMac

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Annnnd now the original forum post has been edited to remove anything about OP personally running this card with boot screen.
 
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bsbeamer

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Happy (early) April Fools?

If I run into any clients with an RTX I’ll see if I can borrow. Most that I’ve talked to are not interested in upgrading until Q1 or Q2 2019 or later due to tightening budgets. I’ll stick with GTX 1080 FE on HS 10.13.6 until more is known.
 

namethisfile

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Looks like the video went down, too.

Screen Shot 2018-10-16 at 9.57.02 PM.png


But, not sure, if, it's a YT thing or not because I am having issues on YT, as well....
 

TehFalcon

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Annnnd now the original forum post has been edited to remove anything about OP personally running this card with boot screen.
Of course it was :rolleyes:

I don't want backlash like CreatePro is getting. It worked on my card but I don't want to have the responsibility of proving stuff left and right for people since I don't know a ton on the subject. So I just edited it to leave it to CreatePro's video. I noticed they are using an EVGA card also so it's possible it is an EVGA specific bios thing. I'd suggest asking them for more info on it, or getting hold of a card and trying it yourselves if you can.
 

crjackson2134

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I don't want backlash like CreatePro is getting. It worked on my card but I don't want to have the responsibility of proving stuff left and right for people since I don't know a ton on the subject. So I just edited it to leave it to CreatePro's video. I noticed they are using an EVGA card also so it's possible it is an EVGA specific bios thing. I'd suggest asking them for more info on it, or getting hold of a card and trying it yourselves if you can.

You should edit your first post to include this statement.

Where did you purchase YOUR card?
 

namethisfile

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I don't want backlash like CreatePro is getting. It worked on my card but I don't want to have the responsibility of proving stuff left and right for people since I don't know a ton on the subject. So I just edited it to leave it to CreatePro's video. I noticed they are using an EVGA card also so it's possible it is an EVGA specific bios thing. I'd suggest asking them for more info on it, or getting hold of a card and trying it yourselves if you can.

You saying the above is just like the video of them showing it... leaving a lot of things up in the air...

You don't need to know a ton of stuff. You just need to show more than say "I tested it (which you have deleted)."

And, even if you lied, it's not that big of a backlash being a fake poster, anyway.

As for the backlash that CreatePro is getting, I am not aware of it, besides this video. But, someone has commented that they make money off of ROM business, which IMO is shady money. Which is prob where the backlash is, if there is one.

So, you're not doing shady money. The backlash you would get would be posting something that might not be true, which is nothing.
 

lgwells1

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I don't want backlash like CreatePro is getting. It worked on my card but I don't want to have the responsibility of proving stuff left and right for people since I don't know a ton on the subject. So I just edited it to leave it to CreatePro's video. I noticed they are using an EVGA card also so it's possible it is an EVGA specific bios thing. I'd suggest asking them for more info on it, or getting hold of a card and trying it yourselves if you can.
So your 2080 out of the box showed a boot screen? Or was this a modified card?
 

orph

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there's mixed feelings about them on the forms but most people are not on the forums and just hit them on google :p so id gess most people who use them wont care/know and just buy things.
most people just want it to work and be easy thats it.

1 may be a hackintosh version of osx installed on a real mac pro
2 part of the RTX line is bringing high end features from quadro to consumers so maybe the vodo is in that (as thats all Linux boxes in racks)
3 @landek if like me you just have SSD's shoved in and using the connector as the only support that macpro may have lots of drives + cant see whats in the DVD bay
4 may be a prank, will they relay have a mouse mat on display like that?
lame prank tho as it affects so few people.
if it's a real video to sell units id see them doing a real video "hi we are create pro and are excited to bring you the cutting edge of macpro upgrades, with are skilled team of technicians we have manged to bring you the "mac" RTX upgrade line" and so on
& cant see them beating mac video cards to market (with there history lol)

as we are making guesses
5 may be apple is mad at AMD for what happened with vaga and lack of good mobile options, i did a post before about how AMD pushed all there resources in to navi and left vaga under staffed and developed
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasone...nys-playstation-5-vega-suffered/#2435ab8d24fd
there was talk that Raja left partly due to being annoyed with how it was manged.

and as a longer stretch and my hope.
i did see speculation that the macbooks where deigned with Intel's road map ie apple designed there thermal envelope over the idea that intel was going to be able to pull of there die shrink, with Intel falling to pull it off was partly to blame for the laptop overheating thing.
so if AMD pulls of 7nm i can hope apple may take a look there way. only big problem i see is apple is so dependent on the igpu in Intel chips and im not shore if AMD can give apple that with out lots of work coding on apple's side.

relay i just want to see apple look at threadriper mac pro's as it will be funny if they swap from AMD to NVIDA for GPU and from Intel to AMD for CPU

ps @WAM2 ray tracing is not a new thing, it's not that metal can do it it's more if metal/osx can actually use the dedicated parts in the gpu to do it.
an example, hardware decoding on gpu
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/mp4-1-5-1-rx580-fcpx10-4-3-hevc-crash.2145286/
the RX 580 can do it, works in windows but as you see in the topics about it osx cant use the parts in the gpu to actually do it.

my gess is if apple is going to use RTX cards they will wait for the die shrink version coming next gen, let the bugs get worked out and the ecosystem of applications to expand before taking a jump.

plus there are no laptop versions of RTX cards in sight and power use has gone up!
all tests i have seen so far show the RTX cards using more power, with only conventional graphics used & hitting power limits and that's with parts of the gpu siting idle (RTX & DLSR cores etc)
so what happens once there activated will power use go up or will the conventional parts of the gpu slow down to give power to the new parts?

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the real problem i see with apple jumping from AMD to NVIDIA or Intel to AMD is i cant see them spending the money to re do so much code in osx, the last few years they have just been spending most there dev time on iphones from what i can see.
they relay have optimized relay well for the hardware and all that work will be lost with a switch.
 
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thornslack

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Nov 16, 2013
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Create pro, outlandish claims, and I see no mention of any of this on netkas... do I smell bs?

I mean, I suspect support has to be coming. Apple will surely show some ridiculous graph showing nvidia vs their hilariously crippled amd performance and call the reality windows users have been enjoying for years ‘innovative progress.’
 

thornslack

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I’ve said it before, but if you want the best tech it’s definitely not in an Apple. They are always years behind but somehow maintain market share by cramming the old stuff in a sexy chassis and down clocking the heck out of it.
 
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Looks like the ROM update was just to accommodate people putting PC cards in their Mac Pro and needing a boot screen and has nothing to do with secret Nvidia developments.

As we know the boot screen has been moved on the logic board in the 6,1 and the rom update just gives that to 5,1

This development likely has occurred because the firmware on the 7,1 will have support for 3rd party graphics and NVME drives. So they took the 7,1 firmware and backported some logic board features to the 5,1.

This keeps users happy while they wait for the new machine.
 

landek

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Sep 4, 2018
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How to explain what happened in the first 10 seconds of the movie?
(Boot Screen before power on Mac), check on fullscreen
 
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crjackson2134

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It would be nice if this turns out to be righteous, but I want to see a reputable site review and explain. My hopes aren't very high. Also, this would be a video card bios solution. Not a cMP firmware solution in my opinion.

Also, what's the point anymore? FV2 is disabled for cMP, and their are plenty of cheaper workarounds for Windows. For verbose mode, yeah, that's an argument I suppose, but not worth the cost for me personally.

Apple has made the BootPicker mostly irrelevant, for now. However, if they were to turn those features back on, then it could be good where FV2 is an absolute requirement.
 
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