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Rumored Future of Chimera

Originally posted by britboy
There was an interesting article about the possibility of an 'iBrowser' on theregister recently. If you're interested, check it out. It does seem like a strange set of coincidences, what with Apple proclaiming Chimera as the browser of choice for OS X, and the main developers (David Hyatt) reported as being a 'mac-nut'.

I don't think it would be a bad thing at all, for apple to come out with their own browser. What would it be called? iNet? :)
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I think this has been referred to...however, if it did come out...iweb? iSee? iBrowse? iExplore?
 
At last, you can check the progress of a download! That had to be the single most annoying feature of previous releases.

Who's been working on this one? I thought the developer was on a sabatical?
 
Just for S&G's I downloaded the freeware update/version of chimera... 100% crappy frames support. Most of the sites I visit have frames as a important part of them, so poor support there means that the browser is useless to me.

Maybe they will get it right with the next release, but I won't hold my breath.

BTW, here is the version I am referring to update
 
i think we can all ignore IGNORANT posts from alpha like that.


this was a great update for me. see can see they are starting to make pref panels. downloads have progressbars now. you can rearrange your bookmarks. autocomplete is finished.

lots of little things made it in. if every update was like this i would gladly wait a full month.

as far as who has been developing (dont you people read the page before clicking download?). dave is only one of the developers. the concern was that dave was the only one who knew how to apply a very important patch and he was going on sabattical (like most of the netscape guys now that they have 1.0). the rest of the guys kept working on it, but no builds could be put out without dave and his patch. but the patch was up there an available and i guess someone (Brian Ryner) figured out how to apply the patch... so we got a build.
 
You know something AmbitiousLemon, I say something critical of one of your beloved alternate browsers (an actual observation btw, based on FACT) and you get all pissy. Never mind that I would give the next actual release a shot, but the current one doesn't suit MY needs. If you like the way if doesn't handle frames, then use it. If you don't go to sites that use frames, then you mustn't be going to all that many different, or recently updated, sites.

I even posted a link to the version I downloaded... if you have the next one after that, and it has better frames support, good. If not, then take it like a man, and don't claim I am "IGNORANT" because I don't put chimera up on a pedestal and consider it to be an über browser.

If they ever get it to work as well as the others, for support of frames and such, then I would even seriously consider replacing ie and netscape with it. I will wait for that to happen, if it ever does.
 
I agree with AlphaTech, Chimera doesn't have really any features and handles a lot of stuff like frames horribly. I don't what's up with AmbitiousLemon and horrible software cough* Adium cough* but its kinda weird. :rolleyes:

P.S. I rather have a nice fully featured browser like OmniWeb (the newest SP release that is) then a browser that has really no features, horrible plugins and crashes a lot but that is a little faster in page loading times. :cool:
 
the point is that it's a work in progress so lacking features is meant to be expected hence Alphatec's "ignorance"...Just see howone browser can progress all the way through to v1.0 from now and you may think back on what you said...
 
Who says the browser wars are over??

They are living on in the MacRumors forums. I like what Chimera is trying to do, but its so far off from finished that I'm not going to hope. I'l try it from time to time, but Mozilla and OW will be my main browsers until its remotely usable.

Not trying to bash Chimera. Just stating facts. Chimera is not ready to be used as a full time browser for ANYONE who wants to do more than view html only web pages. Lets hope it gets past there someday.

Taft
 
Re: Browser Wars

I find myself in an interesting quandary when it comes to my choice in browsers.

I hate to support MS, and would love to use a different browser, but as a web developer how difficult it is to create pages that work/look the same on any browser.

I want to support the development of alternative browsers, but I also want to be sure I'm viewing a page as the author intended. Unfortunately, IE still gives me the best mix of speed and compatibility...but I'm anxiously waiting for someone to take that crown away. :D
 
:) agreed on the netscape note. i really miss netscape, but i cant get over all the aol stuff either.

normally id say just try out the mozilla build, but with just weeks until the 1.0 id say go ahead and wait. one thing to keep in mind though is that mozilla will never be 'finished' like you think of most apps being finished. its a development project. the 'finished' product is netscape (or chimera, any anything made from the mozilla code). still i think we all know that 1.0 will probably be one of teh most stable apps available. one of the great benefits of open source development. o and make sure you dont download a 'nightly build' unless you actually want to de debugging, a lot of people download these and get angry that they are sometimes unstable. get the actual 1.0 release (u prolly knew this but i jus thought id make it clear JIC)
 
Originally posted by mmmdreg
the point is that it's a work in progress so lacking features is meant to be expected hence Alphatec's "ignorance"...Just see howone browser can progress all the way through to v1.0 from now and you may think back on what you said...
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First off... I was pointing out a flaw when Lemon went and got all bitchy about it. Try and go to a site with frames, and use them a few times and you will see what I am talking about. IF they ever get the bugs worked out, I will consider it. Until then, I will continue to use the browsers that I do.

Personally, I wouldn't release software that has flaws that will affect tons of people. To ME that screams that they are rushing things too much. Get the damned bugs worked out and THEN release a browser that at least will work with 95%+ of the web sites out there.

Part of being inside the Mac community is being tolerant of other people. From what Lemon has shown, he is not in that group when it comes to browsers. I won't place any other items on that list... yet at least, until he proves that they belong there.

Most intelligent people understand that what they need/like is not what other people should use. I don't tell people to ONLY use ie or netscape, that would be stupid... just as telling people to dump ie or netscape in favor of one of the other browsers, that also would be stupid. Or as you phrase it "ignorant".

BTW, I was hoping that the latest version of chimera would be more usable, but it proved itself to not be in short order. I refuse to suffer with software that doesn't pass initial tests, on the off chance that it might later, without a revision update. When they come out with the next non-beta release, I will probably give it a try.

I understand why the browser is based on something called "Fizzilla"... it fizzles instead of working with a rather important feature.
 
Originally posted by AmbitiousLemon
:) agreed on the netscape note. i really miss netscape, but i cant get over all the aol stuff either.

normally id say just try out the mozilla build, but with just weeks until the 1.0 id say go ahead and wait. one thing to keep in mind though is that mozilla will never be 'finished' like you think of most apps being finished. its a development project. the 'finished' product is netscape (or chimera, any anything made from the mozilla code). still i think we all know that 1.0 will probably be one of teh most stable apps available. one of the great benefits of open source development. o and make sure you dont download a 'nightly build' unless you actually want to de debugging, a lot of people download these and get angry that they are sometimes unstable. get the actual 1.0 release (u prolly knew this but i jus thought id make it clear JIC)
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I just tried out rc3 a little. Overall, I'm pretty impressed with the progress it's made.

One thing jumped out at me: scrolling speed

While not technically a compatability or speed issue (since actual page loading is comparable), it's definitely noticeable.

Hopefully the final version addresses this somewhat.
 
alpha we are all getting tired of your crap.

the reason they are putting out "unfinished" software is so that the installed user base (me) quits screaming for an update, and also in order to get feedback about options/bugs/etc.

when you begin developing software we'll begin to respect what you would and would not do relating to that field.
 
spakley - thanks.

alpha - you are not worth a response. i think your own words damn you more than anything i could say.

rower- yes, scroll speed is a pain in most browsers. iCab has amazing scroll speed. not sure how they do it. osx in general has bad scroll speed so ive gotten in the habit of clicking on the blue sliding thing (name?) and just clicking and dragging it to scroll (do this is all apps) and its smooth then. good news for everyone is that jaguar has excellent scroll speed (scrolling on my 333mhz powerbook is faster than on my 800mhz imac with 10.1.4 installed!).
 
Originally posted by AmbitiousLemon
rower- yes, scroll speed is a pain in most browsers. iCab has amazing scroll speed. not sure how they do it. osx in general has bad scroll speed so ive gotten in the habit of clicking on the blue sliding thing (name?) and just clicking and dragging it to scroll (do this is all apps) and its smooth then. good news for everyone is that jaguar has excellent scroll speed (scrolling on my 333mhz powerbook is faster than on my 800mhz imac with 10.1.4 installed!).
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iCab's built in HTML validation in a nice feature as well for checking pages, although DreamWeaver MX does this now, too.

I recently enrolled in Apple's Seed program, so hopefully I will get access to Jaguar before its official release. It's going to be critical for me to see how it performs on older video hardware in order to make purchasing suggestions at work.
 
Good for what I need...

Absolutely the litmus test, isn't it? I don't use OmniWeb because one of my favorite sites, cbssportsline.com, uses menus that aren't rendered properly in it. That and it's much slower than Mozilla. I don't use IE because it crashes more than any other piece of non-beta software on my computer. I know others say it's "stable" on their machines. It's not on mine.

I actually don't go to any sites regularly that use frames (yes, I am thankful that many developers left frames back in the 90's). That probably makes Chimera a better choice for me than some. However, while I like Quartz rendering and AA, Mozilla is the best choice for me right now. It is fast. It has tabs. It is very stable. It renders with the best of them. The only thing IE has over it is the WMP plugin.

BTW, I don't hate M$ so much that I wouldn't use their browser if I found it useable. If it were as fast and stable as Mozilla, I'd probably use it. This is not the case, so I don't.

Chris
 
Originally posted by Rower_CPU


iCab's built in HTML validation in a nice feature as well for checking pages, although DreamWeaver MX does this now, too.

I recently enrolled in Apple's Seed program, so hopefully I will get access to Jaguar before its official release. It's going to be critical for me to see how it performs on older video hardware in order to make purchasing suggestions at work.
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im hoping apple will continue with developer's seeds and give developers some time to recode their apps. ive found A LOT (ok thats probably an exageration) of apps dont work in jaguar. most be some serious kernal changes.
 
AL loves the underdog browsers like Mozilla and Chimera. He extrapolates that because they are GOING to get better they are already better.

If you want an alternate to IE there is nothing that touches OmniWeb from top to bottom of the user experience. Mozilla has nothing unique, its not faster than OW and its UGLY! iCab is too primitive and Chimera probably will be the best of the bunch but its not there yet.

I just feel like being opinionated...but can we quit pretending other browsers are better than they are??? yeah, I'm rooting for Chimera and if Apple developed it that would be great.

AL: this isnt meant to be critical, just making an observation about your pulling for the new guys!
 
Originally posted by sjs
AL loves the underdog browsers like Mozilla and Chimera. He extrapolates that because they are GOING to get better they are already better.
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:) true. i get excited easily, and dont like people who start doggin' my fun. i often assume people know im just raving, when they dont.

Originally posted by sjs
If you want an alternate to IE there is nothing that touches OmniWeb from top to bottom of the user experience. Mozilla has nothing unique, its not faster than OW and its UGLY! iCab is too primitive and Chimera probably will be the best of the bunch but its not there yet.
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fair assessment. one comment. tabs. ahh, im so addicted, its quite sad actually.
 
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