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MRU

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But that is just your evaluation tbh.....I didn't see where they rated the Z5 the best on a camera phone. Maybe you have a faulty unit? I don't know......

The fact that until now they scored it higher than any other smartphone other than S6 Edge + says they think it's the joint best. Otherwise what's the point in the scoring and graph ? And no I don't have a faulty unit. Likewise even ignoring the Z5 discrepancy doesn't explain the difference in S6 Edge + over Note 5 or the Droid Turbo 2 over the Moto X Pure which each together share same cameras & software.

The point and crux remains. There are definite discrepancies on that graph - that makes the scoring questionable to keep holding it up as some form of beacon.

If my personal experience can be just flippantly cast aside as "just your evaluation" ... Then the same can be said for dxo. It's only someone else's evaluation, so why put it on a pedestal ?
 
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GadgetSN

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Perhaps my point isnt clear.

The iphone will always have a good camera. Likewise the Samsung S series. Therefore comparing which is marginally better is only for the geeks here. Thus again, most dont give a monkeys about DXO mark figures.
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sure...let's compare it to an unreleased product. Last year's S6 beat this years iphone 6s
Why not compare it to the iphone 1 whilst you are at it. You are always so eager to post anything pro Samsung despite always telling us you also own an iphone which we all know belongs to your wife.

If the S7 camera wasn't better than the 6S I would be worried. Just like I would be worried if the S8 camera isn't better than the S7. Your comparison here is pointless.
 
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jamezr

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Perhaps my point isnt clear.

The iphone will always have a good camera. Likewise the Samsung S series. Therefore comparing which is marginally better is only for the geeks here. Thus again, most dont give a monkeys about DXO mark figures.
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Why not compare it to the iphone 1 whilst you are at it. You are always so eager to post anything pro Samsung despite telling us you also own an iphone which we all know belongs to your wife.
lol.....you are so blinded by your product allegiance. So lets compare the iphone 6s to last years Galaxy s6. DOH.....the S6 wins there too......
 
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GadgetSN

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What allegiance? I rock an S6 edge plus and Z5 premium as my main phones (so know that the Z5 camera is poor relatively) . You just seem so fanatical with Samsung.

Its a given that anything positive posted on SamMobile will be posted on here within minutes by you.

I think most people here can read SamMobile on their own.
 
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What allegiance? I rock an S6 edge plus and Z5 premium as my main phones (so know that the Z5 camera is poor relatively) . You just seem so fanatical with Samsung.

Its a given that anything positive posted on SamMobile will be posted on here within minutes by you.

I think most people here can read SamMobile on their own.
Who said anything about the Z5 camera being poor? Not me.......
you said it was not fair to compare the s7 to the current iphone 6s....so lets compare it to last years s6....guess what....it still comes up short.

Then if you want to make it personal........don't like what i post....put me on ignore...problem solved.....
 
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Why are people even putting Samsung and Apple in the same sentence when it comes to cameras. Apple doesn't even make its own camera. Samsung may need to partly use Sony sensors for supply issues, but they have their own sensor. Look up the NX1 and see what an amazing camera it is. It destroyed anything else in its class. But it didn't sell well because Samsung simply doesn't hold the same recognition in that industry as Nikon and Canon. There's a lot of brand snobbery and loyalty to break at the price point it was selling at. It runs Tizen and the reviews just kept getting better and better after every firmware update. That's why I prefer the best hardware. Software updates can always make things even better in the future. It was just at the beginning of 2014 that Samsung rolled their camera division into their mobile division. So the division that gave us the NX1, now has input on Samsung's mobile cameras. No shock to me their phone cameras are the best around.
 

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The fact that until now they scored it higher than any other smartphone other than S6 Edge + says they think it's the joint best. Otherwise what's the point in the scoring and graph ? And no I don't have a faulty unit. Likewise even ignoring the Z5 discrepancy doesn't explain the difference in S6 Edge + over Note 5 or the Droid Turbo 2 over the Moto X Pure which each together share same cameras & software.

The point and crux remains. There are definite discrepancies on that graph - that makes the scoring questionable to keep holding it up as some form of beacon.

If my personal experience can be just flippantly cast aside as "just your evaluation" ... Then the same can be said for dxo. It's only someone else's evaluation, so why put it on a pedestal ?
Sorry MRU but they have a very good track record and we'll respected across the technology industry. They have a very repeatable consistent evaluation process independently applied to each phone for evaluation.
 

MRU

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Sorry MRU but they have a very good track record and we'll respected across the technology industry. They have a very repeatable consistent evaluation process independently applied to each phone for evaluation.

So why the obvious discrepancies in some of the results ?

Why does the Edge + constitute a better score than the Note 5 or droid turbo 2 better than the Moto X Pure ? If products share same hardware and software and dxo testing methodology is consistent - then why differing scores ? Their detailed breakdown doesn't address this.

And if you had, had the Z5, I have no doubt that you too would be questioning their result on that device.
 
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I7guy

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Sorry MRU but they have a very good track record and we'll respected across the technology industry. They have a very repeatable consistent evaluation process independently applied to each phone for evaluation.
And it doesn't mean they are the final word, which they aren't.
 

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And it doesn't mean they are the final word, which they aren't.
Nope but just look at the overwhelming vast amount of technology reviewers that have echoed their findings. That does seem to be a final verdict to most reasonable people.
 

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Nope but just look at the overwhelming vast amount of technology reviewers that have echoed their findings. That does seem to be a final verdict to most reasonable people.
what I'm getting at if dxo were the final word, canon would be out of business, but it's not. I see these dxo reviews discussed on hardcore photography forums essentially mirroring what is said here.

If you want to buy your next camera purely on tech specs, dxo is the website for you.
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All but imore :p
I saw that and their evidence is compelling.
 

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what I'm getting at if dxo were the final word, canon would be out of business, but it's not. I see these dxo reviews discussed on hardcore photography forums essentially mirroring what is said here.

If you want to buy your next camera purely on tech specs, dxo is the website for you.
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I saw that and their evidence is compelling.
LOL.You actually believed the crap they wrote on iMore.The comments of that article lambasted the author for his bias.All the pics clearly showed the S7 to be superior yet he states the 6S is superior
 
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I7guy

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LOL.You actually believed the crap they wrote on iMore.The comments of that article lambasted the author for his bias.All the pics clearly showed the S7 to be superior yet he states the 6S is superior
You actually believe the crap on youtube?:(

Did you read the article to see their conclusions, or dismissed it because of your own biases?
 

C DM

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LOL.You actually believed the crap they wrote on iMore.The comments of that article lambasted the author for his bias.All the pics clearly showed the S7 to be superior yet he states the 6S is superior
All that coming from someone using a photo of some other phone entirely as proof that rumors are trustworthy and that iPhone 7 will be like what the photo (of a completely different phone) shows.
 

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You actually believe the crap on youtube?:(

Did you read the article to see their conclusions, or dismissed it because of your own biases?
Back at you buddy did you read the overwhelming reviews giving the Galaxy S7 camera a better rating over the iphone? Did you just dismiss them out of hand? Did you see their conclusion or did you dismiss it because it doesn't fit your agenda?
 

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Again, I say this all the time. Apple loyalist are their own worst enemies. Samsung gets blasted hard by its user base, and guess what, it pays off. We now have the S7 Edge in all its big battery, refined design, water/dust proof, SD card glory. Because Samsung is a company that actually listens. Until Apple users actually punish Apple by not buying their inferior hardware at premium prices, only then, will the loyal Apple customer get what they really want. Look how long they put up with a 3.5 inch screen. They wanted a bigger screen, but didn't admit it out loud. Instead they made fun of the big Android (Samsung) screens. All the while they really wanted bigger screens. Then when that bigger screen finally came, they loved it and praised Apple for it. Praising the company that waited right up to the last point where they were forced to do it? Umm OK? These diehards seem like they care more for Apple's bottom line than they do for what they are getting for their hard earned money. Why is it Sammobile, Android Authority, etc.. can be so criticle of Samsung, but so many Apple dedicated sites just seem to be appollogists for Apple. This is not how you keep a company in check. Especially a company you really like. Jeez, even iVerge has come out and declared Samsung has a better camera. Granted they're a few years late, but they finally have come around. You want your iPhone to have the best display, camera, etc..? Then tell Apple when you see them falling behind. Otherwise keep living in your bubble like the people at imore and Appleinsider. It really is that simple.
 

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Back at you buddy did you read the overwhelming reviews giving the Galaxy S7 camera a better rating over the iphone? Did you just dismiss them out of hand? Did you see their conclusion or did you dismiss it because it doesn't fit your agenda?
The S7 has a better camera than the iPhone 6S plus. I've seen plenty of pictures in reviews to come to this conclusion. However I do question DXO's reliability simply because they rate the Samsung Galaxy S6 edge above the note 5 and they have the same camera. It doesn't make any sense.
 
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After the name calling the remainder of the post is nonsense.

Nothing wrong with being loyal to a company. Hence the term loyalist. Now if I said blind loyalist (which is a term I've used in the past, because it does fit for a lot of people), then maybe you can be upset. Which is why I try not to use that term anymore. But from your reaction, it seems some may be still a little too thin skinned. Maybe a case of, the truth hurts? Hopefully not.
 
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The S7 has a better camera than the iPhone 6S plus. I've seen plenty of pictures in reviews to come to this conclusion. However I do question DXO's reliability simply because they rate the Samsung Galaxy S6 edge above the note 5 and they have the same camera. It doesn't make any sense.
I agree with you...but that doesn't mean you throw everything thing else out as it was suggested. I actually think in my experience that the Note 5 camera is right there with the S7e camera myself. But I am not going to question the integrity of DxO labs just because my experiences doesn't match what they tested and concluded.
 

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Compare the S7 edge camera with the iphone 7 (as well the phone). The 6s is last gen in the phone world and more comparable with the S6.

Yes the Z5s camera sucks ass relative to the competition. How it ranked at the top prior to the S7 edge is farcical.

Thus, DXO Mark scores mean nothing to me.

Also I find it strange how much the camera is such an important criteria to alot of people here. I thought only girls used the camera on their phones. Even they dont guve a rats ass about the tiny difference between two brands of cameras. I actually prefer a metal or glass shell than a good camera. Who really gives a monkeys about the difference between the iphone 6s and s7 edge camera? Its the phone design and branding that is more important in the high end space.
What a rubbish reply. Pfft.
 

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The S7 has a better camera than the iPhone 6S plus. I've seen plenty of pictures in reviews to come to this conclusion. However I do question DXO's reliability simply because they rate the Samsung Galaxy S6 edge above the note 5 and they have the same camera. It doesn't make any sense.
As we can see with the S7 no Sensor is exactly the same, firstly Samsung use their own sensors aswell as Sony sensors. Secondly even with the same brand sensor there can still be some fluctuation. How about you just admit to yourself that Samsung make the best Cameras in phones and have done for a few years now.
 

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Nothing wrong with being loyal to a company. Hence the term loyalist. Now if I said blind loyalist (which is a term I've used in the past, because it does fit for a lot of people), then maybe you can be upset. Which is why I try not to use that term anymore. But from your reaction, it seems some may be still a little too thin skinned. Maybe a case of, the truth hurts? Hopefully not.
You're discussing being loyal to a company that doesn't care about you personally? I don't know about you, but I'm not loyal to any company I only buy/use products that meet my needs.

As far as the truth hurts, why would it hurt? Both Samsung and Apple are great companies, with Apple being the most valuable company in the world; what's to hurt? And you're right you have to have a bit of thick skin on anonymous Internet forums.

As far as the testing I don't dispute the testing or the methodology , but the significance of it.
 
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