Samsung had superior engineers

[UBS28]

Somehow Samsung is able to make a in-screen fingerprint scanner and a headphone jack.

And now also with the foldable phone that Samsung has, it seems Apple has lost the “edge”.

 

[BrianBaughn]

They should come up with a better operating system.

 

[maerz001]

Thats all true just the missing headphone jack is not designed by an engineer but by an accountant

 

[AustinIllini]

Their engineering staffs are likely comparable, but Samsung is a bit more comfortable trying things with their devices whereas Apple seems to wait longer to release features.

How do we know? Well, for one thing, when Apple releases a feature, it's usually a little behind Samsung but a little bit better than Samsung's original effort. For another, Apple just seems to watch the market and decide what it can add to the industry

 

[jamezr]

Their engineering staffs are likely comparable, but Samsung is a bit more comfortable trying things with their devices whereas Apple seems to wait longer to release features.

How do we know? Well, for one thing, when Apple releases a feature, it's usually a little behind Samsung but a little bit better than Samsung's original effort. For another, Apple just seems to watch the market and decide what it can add to the industry

I think Apple has these ideas in mind all along. But they want to wait to see when and IF they should add them to their product line up.
Like if there is a slow down in iPhone sales then they will add a new feature to the model line up.
But if iPhone sales are robust then they will stay the course and only add new features to spur sales.

Then removing the headphone jack was purely to sell their own line of Beats products.

 

[mjschabow]

They should come up with a better operating system.

They did. It's called OneUI/Android Pie.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

If phones with folding displays mature fast enough, before Apple barely gets their feet wet, then Apple would lose a ton of users.

 

[cardfan]

They did. It's called OneUI/Android Pie.

That’s called bloatware. Crapware. Forking. Pick a name.

 

[pika2000]

Somehow Samsung is able to make a in-screen fingerprint scanner and a headphone jack.

And now also with the foldable phone that Samsung has, it seems Apple has lost the “edge”.

Ultrasonic in display fingerprint scanner was done by Qualcomm, not Samsung.
A headphone jack? And yet charges $1000 for it? Xiaomi put Snapdragon 855, triple lens camera, 6GB RAM, for $500.
Foldable OLED, yes, that’s from Samsung’s own display business, but Huawei and Xiaomi are also doing it.

The only innovative about Samsung Mobile is charging people Apple’s prices but providing less support, and people seems to fall for it for some reason.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

They did. It's called OneUI/Android Pie.

One UI is so much better than iOS. The only thing Samsung needs to improve is gestures. They need to get away from having gestures replace the location of the navi buttons and make it more intuitive. It works for me cause I'm already used to the navi button placement, but for others it might e a struggle.

 

[mjschabow]

That’s called bloatware. Crapware. Forking. Pick a name.

Could be worse (same design for 7 years, still can't put icons at bottom of the screen, etc)

 

[Harthag]

Somehow Samsung is able to make a in-screen fingerprint scanner and a headphone jack.

And now also with the foldable phone that Samsung has, it seems Apple has lost the “edge”.

Serious question, have you used a phone with an in-screen fingerprint sensor yet? The OnePlus 6T is not good. You need to hit the spot perfectly every time. Not only that, it can be wildly wonky at times. It is not nearly as quick of a process as traditional fingerprint sensors because you can't feel it when you aren't looking at or holding the phone. Yes I know Samsung is using an ultra sonic sensor and not optical. But you still need to perfectly place your finger on it.

I owned and sold the 6T. Currently using a Pixel 3 XL and the traditional rear (physical) sensor is so much better. I'll take Touch ID, Face ID, or modern Android rear sensors any day over these new in-screen sensors.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

That’s called bloatware. Crapware. Forking. Pick a name.

I'll take the so-called bloatware over nothingware anyday.

Apple still has us stuck on a static row of icons with absolutely no UI options or features.
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Serious question, have you used a phone with an in-screen fingerprint sensor yet? The OnePlus 6T is not good. You need to hit the spot perfectly every time. Not only that, it can be wildly wonky at times. It is not nearly as quick of a process as traditional fingerprint sensors because you can't feel it when you aren't looking at or holding the phone. Yes I know Samsung is using an ultra sonic sensor and not optical. But you still need to perfectly place your finger on it.

I owned and sold the 6T. Currently using a Pixel 3 XL and the traditional rear (physical) sensor is so much better. I'll take Touch ID, Face ID, or modern Android rear sensors any day over these new in-screen sensors.

This will not be a problem. Cause I have no issue locating the haptic home button on my S9+ without looking.

 

[Awesomesince86]

Apple are very rarely on the bleeding edge of technology. Their model has always been to get something perfected behind the scenes before it ever comes to market. Samsung are a little more cavalier and don't mind showing off hardware (or even bringing it to market) before all the bugs are worked out. They've released several beta level devices that I can remember.

 

[mtneer]

Apple engineers have always been held back by their industrial design guys.

 

[Harthag]

This will not be a problem. Cause I have no issue locating the haptic home button on my S9+ without looking.

We'll see how narrow or wide the sweet spot ends up being. The haptic home button doesn't need our finger scan, just a press, so it's different. I was also fine re: that when I had the regular S9. I haven't yet played with the S10. I tend to avoid carrier stores like the plague.

 

[jamezr]

Serious question, have you used a phone with an in-screen fingerprint sensor yet? The OnePlus 6T is not good. You need to hit the spot perfectly every time. Not only that, it can be wildly wonky at times. It is not nearly as quick of a process as traditional fingerprint sensors because you can't feel it when you aren't looking at or holding the phone. Yes I know Samsung is using an ultra sonic sensor and not optical. But you still need to perfectly place your finger on it.

I owned and sold the 6T. Currently using a Pixel 3 XL and the traditional rear (physical) sensor is so much better. I'll take Touch ID, Face ID, or modern Android rear sensors any day over these new in-screen sensors.

The in display FPS in the OPO 6t and S10 are different. The OPO 6t uses a photograph of the FP and shines a light to read it. The S10 use UltraSonic FPS and is so much better than what the OnePlus is using.
More explained here....

https://www.cnet.com/news/galaxy-s1...-scanner-heres-why-you-should-care-explainer/

 

[Harthag]

The in display FPS in the OPO 6t and S10 are different. The OPO 6t uses a photograph of the FP and shines a light to read it. The S10 use UltraSonic FPS and is so much better than what the OnePlus is using.
More explained here....

https://www.cnet.com/news/galaxy-s1...-scanner-heres-why-you-should-care-explainer/

Oh I know, not disagreeing. The S10 will be much better. Just saying that there's still a sweet spot that you'll need to always locate. Physical sensors I can unlock as I'm taking out of my pocket.

I can't wait until we get phones where the entire screen will be able to accept a finger unlock.

 

[The Game 161]

That’s called bloatware. Crapware. Forking. Pick a name.

Actually no it isn’t but keep having that blind mentality. In fact based on what i’ve Seen it’s far better than what IOS has become.

 

[Awesomesince86]

Oh I know, not disagreeing. The S10 will be much better. Just saying that there's still a sweet spot that you'll need to always locate. Physical sensors I can unlock as I'm taking out of my pocket.

I can't wait until we get phones where the entire screen will be able to accept a finger unlock.

It will be a long time before that's accomplished. The issue with in-display sensors currently is that physical sensors have the benefit of providing tactile feedback because you can physically feel the edges of the sensor area so you're placing your finger more accurately. In-display sensors don't have that ability so they have to find ways to expand the sensor area or provide some better feedback possibly by using vibration motors to give the user feedback as to when they're pressing in the right area.

 

[tbayrgs]

If phones with folding displays mature fast enough, before Apple barely gets their feet wet, then Apple would lose a ton of users.

No they won’t. First, this type of device is years away from being mature. The average customer won’t spend twice as much on a device that’s bound to have tons of usability issues with a plastic display. Second, there has been zero ground swell from customer for this type of device. These OEMs aren’t solving an existing problem, they’re playing with new form factors because they now have technology (flexible OLED) that can do it. They’re doing it because they can, not because the market demands it. And do you seriously think Apple isn’t experimenting with flexible/foldable displays, and hasn’t been for years?

Samsung, Huawei, and others like to experiment with these new implementation out in public view while Apple does it behind close doors.

Let’s look back at statements likely uttered by many over the past few years...

‘If Apple doesn’t adopt larger displays fast enough, they’ll lose a ton of customers...’

‘If Apple doesn’t adopt OLED displays soon enough, they’ll lose a lot of customers...’

‘If Apple gets rid of the headphone jack, they’ll lost a lot of customers...’

See the pattern?

And I’m in no way disqualifying foldable tech as inconsequential..I’m genuinely surprised how much better these first efforts are vs. what I expected. I’m excited by the possibilities to come over the next few years. But let’s be realistic here...these are tech nerds wet dreams at this point, nothing more.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

No they won’t. First, this type of device is years away from being mature. The average customer won’t spend twice as much on a device that’s bound to have tons of usability issues with a plastic display. Second, there has been zero ground swell from customer for this type of device. These OEMs aren’t solving an existing problem, they’re playing with new form factors because they now have technology (flexible OLED) that can do it. They’re doing it because they can, not because the market demands it. And do you seriously think Apple isn’t experimenting with flexible/foldable displays, and hasn’t been for years?

Samsung, Huawei, and others like to experiment with these new implementation out in public view while Apple does it behind close doors.

Let’s look back at statements likely uttered by many over the past few years...

‘If Apple doesn’t adopt larger displays fast enough, they’ll lose a ton of customers...’

‘If Apple doesn’t adopt OLED displays soon enough, they’ll lose a lot of customers...’

‘If Apple gets rid of the headphone jack, they’ll lost a lot of customers...’

See the pattern?

And I’m in no way disqualifying foldable tech as inconsequential..I’m genuinely surprised how much better these first efforts are vs. what I expected. I’m excited by the possibilities to come over the next few years. But let’s be realistic here...these are tech nerds wet dreams at this point, nothing more.

I do see the pattern. The pattern of Apple being forced to implement something before it's too late.

Just like Apple eventually had to go big, when folding display become the norm, Apple will have no choice but to implement it as well.

Now here's the difference between back then and now. Nowadays, the software is debatably just as smooth or better than iOS. This means Apple's luxury of waiting things out gets shorter and shorter. Consumers are tired of waiting for Apple to implement things Android users already had for years. Now that the software side is on par, it's so much easier for consumers to decide to switch over.

 

[jamezr]

No they won’t. First, this type of device is years away from being mature. The average customer won’t spend twice as much on a device that’s bound to have tons of usability issues with a plastic display. Second, there has been zero ground swell from customer for this type of device. These OEMs aren’t solving an existing problem, they’re playing with new form factors because they now have technology (flexible OLED) that can do it. They’re doing it because they can, not because the market demands it. And do you seriously think Apple isn’t experimenting with flexible/foldable displays, and hasn’t been for years?

Samsung, Huawei, and others like to experiment with these new implementation out in public view while Apple does it behind close doors.

Let’s look back at statements likely uttered by many over the past few years...

‘If Apple doesn’t adopt larger displays fast enough, they’ll lose a ton of customers...’

‘If Apple doesn’t adopt OLED displays soon enough, they’ll lose a lot of customers...’

‘If Apple gets rid of the headphone jack, they’ll lost a lot of customers...’

See the pattern?

And I’m in no way disqualifying foldable tech as inconsequential..I’m genuinely surprised how much better these first efforts are vs. what I expected. I’m excited by the possibilities to come over the next few years. But let’s be realistic here...these are tech nerds wet dreams at this point, nothing more.

But then again those statements have a lot of truth in them.

‘If Apple doesn’t adopt larger displays fast enough, they’ll lose a ton of customers...’

iPhone sales skyrocketed when the iPhone 6 adopted larger displays. Probably the largest single jump in model sales year over year.

‘If Apple doesn’t adopt OLED displays soon enough, they’ll lose a lot of customers...’

Then if they were still on LCD displays...would they have the sales they have now? Not sure but guessing maybe not...

‘If Apple gets rid of the headphone jack, they’ll lost a lot of customers...’

How can you say they didn't lose sales because of this? You don't know for sure...then sales have stagnated recently.


I agree though that Apple probably has been experimenting with a folding iPhone of some sort.

But I also think Apple does not add features just to add features......they only add features when there is a need to add something to the product lineup like slowing sales.
Like if there is a slow down in iPhone sales then they will add a new feature to the model line up.
But if iPhone sales are robust then they will stay the course and only add new features to spur sales.

 

[StellarVixen]

Ultrasonic fingerprint scanner is Qualcomm's invention. Not Samsung's.

 

[spacemnspiff]

Somehow Samsung is able to make a in-screen fingerprint scanner and a headphone jack.

And now also with the foldable phone that Samsung has, it seems Apple has lost the “edge”.

Welcome to the kindergarten.