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Zwhaler

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They should come up with a better operating system.
They actually did; One UI is being priased as their best yet. iOS is really smooth, but they should come up with better home screen customization and user-accessible file management.
 

Awesomesince86

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Ultrasonic fingerprint scanner is Qualcomm's invention. Not Samsung's.

True, but that can be said for most tech. It's just that big companies like Apple, Google, and Samsung like to buy companies that specialize in a certain field and call the tech their own rather than develop it because the ramp up, development, resources, and cost would be too high. I know Samsung didn't buy Qualcomm, but it's the same principle.

For example, Apple bought several companies that were the backbone for their "invention" of FaceID.
 

Shanghaichica

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True, but that can be said for most tech. It's just that big companies like Apple, Google, and Samsung like to buy companies that specialize in a certain field and call the tech their own rather than develop it because the ramp up, development, resources, and cost would be too high. I know Samsung didn't buy Qualcomm, but it's the same principle.

For example, Apple bought several companies that were the backbone for their "invention" of FaceID.
They bought Touch ID too.
 
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nfl46

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If phones with folding displays mature fast enough, before Apple barely gets their feet wet, then Apple would lose a ton of users.
Come on, man, you know Apple won’t lose a ton of users especially in the states. You know people are addicted to those blue bubbles. They’re not going to give that up. Lol. Only us tech people love switching back and forth between the two.
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I'd use the iPhone when it stops being a Fisher Price toy.
o_OYou know damn well the iPhone isn’t a Fisher Price toy! Stop that, Zenithal.
 
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AustinIllini

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Come on, man, you know Apple won’t lose a ton of users especially in the states. You know people are addicted to those blue bubbles. They’re not going to give that up. Lol. Only us tech people love switching back and forth between the two.
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o_OYou know damn well the iPhone isn’t a Fisher Price toy! Stop that, Zenithal.
I made the bold point in a different place and was told I was crazy. This is a fact, though.
 

AustinIllini

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FYI, based on what I’m seeing from Huawei, they have way better engineers than Samsung.

Samsung’s foldable is honestly terrible. It’s on the level of a rejected iPhone. Huawei’s offering is somewhat better but I would worry about durability.
 

mrex

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Even if the One UI isn't horrible, you get less than 2 years of upgrades and they're months behind the Android version change.

it isnt up to Samsung or any other android manufacturer. They just cant push the new os straight to your phone when google release a new os update. Sony has made a simply route explaining why manufacturers cant release the software with the same time as google.

https://www.engadget.com/2018/08/19/sony-explains-long-wait-for-android-updates/

and about other projects

https://fossbytes.com/why-android-updates-takes-so-much-of-time-project-treble-explained/

and finally, android isnt ios - most core apps are updated via playstore rather than needing the whole os to be updated (=ios).
 
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Shanghaichica

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it isnt up to Samsung or any other android manufacturer. They just cant push the new os straight to your phone when google release a new os update. Sony has made a simply route explaining why manufacturers cant release the software with the same time as google.

https://www.engadget.com/2018/08/19/sony-explains-long-wait-for-android-updates/

and about other projects

https://fossbytes.com/why-android-updates-takes-so-much-of-time-project-treble-explained/

and finally, android isnt ios - most core apps are updated via playstore rather than needing the whole os to be updated (=ios).
There’s also monthly security updates for 3 years.
 
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mib1800

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Apple engineers / designers have no vision (literally :lol)

No one in their right mind would put the app settings OUTSIDE of the app. It is akin to putting your furniture outside on the driveway
 
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Ralfi

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Terrible click bait thread title that only serves to incite rivalries & bring out the worst in people here...

Many responses prove it.
 
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pika2000

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it isnt up to Samsung or any other android manufacturer. They just cant push the new os straight to your phone when google release a new os update. Sony has made a simply route explaining why manufacturers cant release the software with the same time as google.

https://www.engadget.com/2018/08/19/sony-explains-long-wait-for-android-updates/

and about other projects

https://fossbytes.com/why-android-updates-takes-so-much-of-time-project-treble-explained/

and finally, android isnt ios - most core apps are updated via playstore rather than needing the whole os to be updated (=ios).
If my cheap $200 Xiaomi Mi A1 can get faster update than a $1k Galaxy phone, then there’s something wrong.

And no, OEMs can push updates quickly if they want to. Essential pushed Oreo (or was it Pie?) like right or around the same time as Google released the OS. Google gave OEMs way in advance their GM. Even the security updates were given to OEMs a month in advance by Google. It’s up to the OEMs to actually want to do it or not.

Having said that, updates are a non issue anyway. Nobody actually cares about updates. Heck, how many people are still sporting Nougat or MM with security patch level a year old or older? A lot. So in hindsight, it is completely understandable that Android OEMs don’t care about updates:
1. They make money by selling new phones. Updating old phones cost them money.
2. Like I mention above, consumers don’t care about updates.
 

Shanghaichica

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If my cheap $200 Xiaomi Mi A1 can get faster update than a $1k Galaxy phone, then there’s something wrong.

And no, OEMs can push updates quickly if they want to. Essential pushed Oreo (or was it Pie?) like right or around the same time as Google released the OS. Google gave OEMs way in advance their GM. Even the security updates were given to OEMs a month in advance by Google. It’s up to the OEMs to actually want to do it or not.

Having said that, updates are a non issue anyway. Nobody actually cares about updates. Heck, how many people are still sporting Nougat or MM with security patch level a year old or older? A lot. So in hindsight, it is completely understandable that Android OEMs don’t care about updates:
1. They make money by selling new phones. Updating old phones cost them money.
2. Like I mention above, consumers don’t care about updates.
Samsung have many more phones to update than essential.
 

AustinIllini

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Oct 20, 2011
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it isnt up to Samsung or any other android manufacturer. They just cant push the new os straight to your phone when google release a new os update. Sony has made a simply route explaining why manufacturers cant release the software with the same time as google.

https://www.engadget.com/2018/08/19/sony-explains-long-wait-for-android-updates/

and about other projects

https://fossbytes.com/why-android-updates-takes-so-much-of-time-project-treble-explained/

and finally, android isnt ios - most core apps are updated via playstore rather than needing the whole os to be updated (=ios).
You're letting Samsung off easy. They have a software update problem, period. The support is insufficient for devices which are that expensive.

And let's not kid ourselves, the second there's a Galaxy Sx, where x is a number greater than the number Galaxy you're running, you're basically hosed. waiting 6 months plus for an announced software update is unacceptable for a flagship phone.
 
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44267547

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Apple engineers have always been held back by their industrial design guys.

Few keywords in your post. Apple is not a tech company, they are a design company. Yes, they produce/manufacture tech products, but they are design company first.
 

1050792

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You're letting Samsung off easy. They have a software update problem, period. The support is insufficient for devices which are that expensive.

And let's not kid ourselves, the second there's a Galaxy Sx, where x is a number greater than the number Galaxy you're running, you're basically hosed. waiting 6 months plus for an announced software update is unacceptable for a flagship phone.
Samsung phones already do more out of the box than any iOS device will in the next 5 years, if you add up the 3 year security updates plus 2 years OS updates which haven't brought anything new to Samsung devices, you get 5 years support. That argument is so wrong and used when there's lack of better points to make. Normal users couldn't care less about updates in fact they diss them for later everytime it pops up.

I remember old brick phones which didn't have any software updates and now people buy the phone working with it's supposed marketing conditions and are expecting that a company will be focusing their money and efforts into old devices instead of building for new ones. What's the point with iOS updates if they slow down your iPhone and make it crash?

There's more to a phone than updates and security updates which are way more important in the Android world are pushed monthly to Samsung devices. My S6 from 2015 is still getting them.
 
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AustinIllini

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Samsung phones already do more out of the box than any iOS device will in the next 5 years, if you add up the 3 year security updates plus 2 years OS updates which haven't brought anything new to Samsung devices, you get 5 years support. That argument is so wrong and used when there's lack of better points to make. Normal users couldn't care less about updates in fact they diss them for later everytime it pops up.

I remember old brick phones which didn't have any software updates and now people buy the phone working with it's supposed marketing conditions and are expecting that s company will be focusing their money and efforts into old devices instead of building for new ones. What's the point with iOS updates if they slow down your iPhone and make it crash?

There's more to s phone than updates and security updates which are way more important in the Android world are pushed monthly to Samsung devices. My S6 from 2015 is still getting them.
This post is littered with subjectivity and there is literally one thing in this which is factual. If iPhone is missing a feature in 5 years Samsung has right now, the feature wasn't widely adopted.
 
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jamezr

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Few keywords in your post. Apple is not a tech company, they are a design company. Yes, they produce/manufacture tech products, but they are design company first.
But they are a tech company. The have their own operating system on mobile and desktop systems. This is their own creation. Then they created a whole subsystem and infrastructure to work with these operating systems. That is a whole lot of tech they created. Sounds like a tech company that designs hardware to use for their operating systems.
 

44267547

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The have their own operating system on mobile and desktop systems.

Which they...designed. :D Point is, we’re both really saying the same thing, they are one in both. I still think Apple is more of a design company first than they are just a ‘tech company’ primarily. Realistically, they have their own architecture, hardware designs, and implementation, etc. What I think makes Apple special and draws so much attention to their products, is how they design things, like the Apple Watch rectangular shape, the AirPods have their own unique design history, the HomePod, etc. Those are products that I think Apple dynamically creates aside from the competition. Yes, Apple is recognized as a tech company, but beyond that, they are easily known for being a design company that places emphasis on detail. Perhaps that’s what I’m trying to convey here, but the point of being a tech and design company goes both ways.
 
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jamezr

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Which they...designed. :D Point is, we’re both really saying the same thing, they are one in both. I still think Apple is more of a design company first than they are just a ‘tech company’ primarily. Realistically, they have their own architecture, hardware designs, and implementation, etc. What I think makes Apple special and draws so much attention to their products, is how they design things, like the Apple Watch rectangular shape, the AirPods have their own unique design history, the HomePod, etc. Those are products that I think Apple dynamically creates aside from the competition. Yes, Apple is recognized as a tech company, but beyond that, they are easily known for being a design company that places emphasis on detail. Perhaps that’s what I’m trying to convey here, but the point of being a tech and design company goes both ways.

But you could say that about any company. There are no tech companies? They didn't design a new rocking chair or toaster.
Their products are definitely in the Technology space making them a tech product company.
Which they...designed

But I do agree with you that they design great products that are different than other in the same tech space.
 

5105973

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Apple engineers / designers have no vision (literally :lol)

No one in their right mind would put the app settings OUTSIDE of the app. It is akin to putting your furniture outside on the driveway
That does drive me nuts, especially with the camera.
 
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