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appleii.c

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Mar 18, 2013
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Well, I guess you could say Samsung are innovators after all. Sure, their innovations are mostly in copying, but hey, an innovation is an innovation. I wonder how many others will follow suit and start copying the copying now.
 

samcraig

macrumors P6
Jun 22, 2009
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USA
Well, I guess you could say Samsung are innovators after all. Sure, their innovations are mostly in copying, but hey, an innovation is an innovation. I wonder how many others will follow suit and start copying the copying now.

Who said having a gold phone was innovative?
 

rockitdog

macrumors 68030
Mar 25, 2013
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Such a weak move... I mean seriously, gold is so outdated. If Gold phones are coming back in style, the I don't want to be in style!
 

DollaTwentyFive

macrumors 6502a
Nov 11, 2010
747
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Parts Unknown
Your "problem" ?


Why is this a problem for you. Were you going to buy a gold S4 and now won't because of how it looks?

Someone is literal this morning.

Let me rephrase. Although I have no intention of buying any Samsung product, I dislike the design of their gold "phone of the week." Looking at it displeases me.
 

onthecouchagain

macrumors 604
Mar 29, 2011
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Well, I guess you could say Samsung are innovators after all. Sure, their innovations are mostly in copying, but hey, an innovation is an innovation. I wonder how many others will follow suit and start copying the copying now.

Have no clue what this is even supposed to mean, but okay.
 

Digital Skunk

macrumors G3
Dec 23, 2006
8,100
930
In my imagination
Wow, I am glad I don't have to slap down the knee-jerk comments in this thread. Other level headed posters have done a good job of that. I must address/complement these however.

Samsung added 2 colors to the s3 mid cycle also last year.this is not something new with Samsung .its a mid cycle face lift.

Last year they added red and brown to the gs3

Now they added pink and gold vs red and brown

Agreed, and it's actually a trend in just about every other Asian company. Nikon and Fuji do the SAME THING with their cameras more often than not.

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This isn't the lineup I was looking for specifically, it's probably an after market job, but back in the film days of the 90s, Nikon and Fuji and Canon had black, silver, and cheap gold models of all of their small P&S film bodies.

But was it added to the roadmap when rumors of a gold iPhone began a few months ago? ;)

It was probably added to the roadmap a year ago. Most other companies move much faster than Apple on many things. Sometimes that speed hinders, sometimes it helps.

Was Apple the first to invent gold plated electronic devices?
 

appleii.c

macrumors 6502a
Mar 18, 2013
531
40
Have no clue what this is even supposed to mean, but okay.

Bah, My joke didn't go as well as I intended. Basically what I was trying to amuse with is this:

An innovator is defined as a person who introduces new methods, ideas, or products. In this case I was insinuating that Samsung has introduced a new "method" for copying. Their method (which should be patented IMO) is quicker, better, more shameless than any other, so it COULD be classified as an innovation. Something Apple clearly has not been doing for a while. So my attempt at amusement was that the only one who is truly innovating here is Samsung.
 

Jessica Lares

macrumors G3
Oct 31, 2009
9,612
1,057
Near Dallas, Texas, USA
I'm going to say that the 5Cs were always in the pipeline. Apple has been playing with color since the late 90's. And products like the MacBooks and iPods have gone through changes in the way they are coated.

The first iPhone has this problem where the aluminum coating starts to come off and leave all these spots everywhere. The white iPhone had the light leak issues right around the time it was announced.

I'm pretty sure that the 5C was going to be like the iPod Touch 5th generation, but then they had issues with the cellular and GPS chips, and that's why they ended up going the plastic route.

Nokia is just eating up the free advertising. I would say the Moto X is the one copying their style.
 

samcraig

macrumors P6
Jun 22, 2009
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It's not...

It's the COPYING that is innovative.

So Apple IS innovative as well then. Got it.

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I'm going to say that the 5Cs were always in the pipeline. Apple has been playing with color since the late 90's. And products like the MacBooks and iPods have gone through changes in the way they are coated.

The first iPhone has this problem where the aluminum coating starts to come off and leave all these spots everywhere. The white iPhone had the light leak issues right around the time it was announced.

I'm pretty sure that the 5C was going to be like the iPod Touch 5th generation, but then they had issues with the cellular and GPS chips, and that's why they ended up going the plastic route.

Nokia is just eating up the free advertising. I would say the Moto X is the one copying their style.

All companies play with specs, colors, designs. No revelation there. What's interesting is that some people think that when it's Apple - it's that they've had it in their pipeline. When another company does it - they are copying.
 

Digital Skunk

macrumors G3
Dec 23, 2006
8,100
930
In my imagination
I'm going to say that the 5Cs were always in the pipeline. Apple has been playing with color since the late 90's. And products like the MacBooks and iPods have gone through changes in the way they are coated.

The first iPhone has this problem where the aluminum coating starts to come off and leave all these spots everywhere. The white iPhone had the light leak issues right around the time it was announced.

I'm pretty sure that the 5C was going to be like the iPod Touch 5th generation, but then they had issues with the cellular and GPS chips, and that's why they ended up going the plastic route.

Nokia is just eating up the free advertising. I would say the Moto X is the one copying their style.

So basically Apple does no wrong and invented everything long before anyone else even if another company comes out with it first it was Apple that REALLY came out with it but didn't because they were working with it behind closed doors?

Or, Apple no matter what does everything before everyone even if there's proof to the contrary? Or even if an entirely different and separate industry does something long before Apple was even in the public eye it was still Apple that did it first because they were going to eventually do it in the future?

That's really what your post says to me.
 

Prototypical

macrumors 6502
Apr 22, 2011
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60
Nebraska
Nokia is just eating up the free advertising. I would say the Moto X is the one copying their style.

How so? Of all of the nonsense going on with "innovation" claims, Motorola seems to have actually done something nobody else has - allow the user to decide what Motorola builds... instead of Motorola deciding for the user what he/she wants. I know the wood backs are still a ways off, but the entire concept of self-designed mobile devices is a step in a new direction. Props to Moto for doing it, even if the X itself isn't earth-shattering.
 

Digital Skunk

macrumors G3
Dec 23, 2006
8,100
930
In my imagination
Well, not particularly... they just copy. Samsung appear to be the true innovators of copying. They've built a nice little foundation over there doing it.

Apple's been copying long before Samsung. Apple will definitely sue Sammy for copying their copying style.

Apple was copying other company's innovations and told the public that they copied it long before they even began to copy other's work and trot it around like innovation.

/jk
 

Jessica Lares

macrumors G3
Oct 31, 2009
9,612
1,057
Near Dallas, Texas, USA
The only reason we always say Apple works behind closed doors is because we KNOW they do, and all that evidence was brought up in the Samsung lawsuits earlier this year.

They are NOT the company who bring out a product overnight. How many different Lumia devices are out now? How many new products did Samsung release yesterday?

And you know, Nokia boasted about color, yes, but their two best selling handsets in the US are the low ends you can only get in white or black. You have to get the on-contract models to get the ones in cyan, red, yellow, etc. The 1020 costs $100 more on-contract and only comes in black, white, and yellow too.
 

ReanimationN

macrumors 6502a
Sep 7, 2011
724
0
Australia
Care to explain the 5C? Let's hear it, OP. Let's hear how fair you are.

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Err, if you're trying to make a point about Apple copying, I don't think their use of colour in their products is the best choice to make:

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As for the topic, I really don't care. Samsung's made gold phones before, as have other manufacturers. That they'd choose to do another one now does scream a little 'me too', but Apple hardly owns the colour, or invented it. If gold phones are going to become popular, then why not get in early.
 

samcraig

macrumors P6
Jun 22, 2009
16,786
41,983
USA
The only reason we always say Apple works behind closed doors is because we KNOW they do, and all that evidence was brought up in the Samsung lawsuits earlier this year.

They are NOT the company who bring out a product overnight. How many different Lumia devices are out now? How many new products did Samsung release yesterday?

Right. Apple takes their time with every single product - but companies like Samsung can create products overnight and be in production :rolleyes:

Do you have any understanding how much work goes into getting a phone to market? Clearly not.

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And you know, Nokia boasted about color, yes, but their two best selling handsets in the US are the low ends you can only get in white or black. You have to get the on-contract models to get the ones in cyan, red, yellow, etc. The 1020 costs $100 more on-contract and only comes in black, white, and yellow too.

You're aware that Nokia has had various color phones since the 90s, right?
 

appleii.c

macrumors 6502a
Mar 18, 2013
531
40
So basically Apple does no wrong and invented everything long before anyone else even if another company comes out with it first it was Apple that REALLY came out with it but didn't because they were working with it behind closed doors?

Or, Apple no matter what does everything before everyone even if there's proof to the contrary? Or even if an entirely different and separate industry does something long before Apple was even in the public eye it was still Apple that did it first because they were going to eventually do it in the future?

That's really what your post says to me.

Look, I'm having a little fun here with all this so if I offend anyone, or ruffle anyone's feathers, I apologize. But as far as the copying goes, I agree that everyone does it. Even Apple. but the thing that irks me, and probably most of the people you would label as fanboys or haters, is the fashion in which Samsung does it, at least the appearance of the way they do it. The way I see it is almost as if they have a team waiting on standby to see what apple does, then shamelessly put out a quick copy of it. Barely putting their own "twist" to it. Items like their S-Voice, the mini stores in Best Buy, the microphone in their voice recorder app, the "tickets" in their "Samsung Wallet" app that look like Passbook, their early product packaging. And look at patent D686,201 just issued... (http://www.patentbolt.com/2013/07/s...te-controller-and-two-controversial-wins.html) it looks like a mac mini. Theres even a Laptop i've seen of theirs that looks just like a Macbook, right down to the keys.

it's one thing to copy a feature or two, one or two aspects of a design... That doesn't bother me. Apple Does it, MS does it, Google does it, Nokia etc. but it just seems to me that Samsung just copies everything and anything that works for Apple (or any other company). That's what I think irks most non-Samsung fans and why you don't see nearly as much of the b**ching and moaning about the other companies when they copy something.
 

dojoman

macrumors 68000
Apr 8, 2010
1,936
1,094
Samsung wants to be so much like Apple. First 64 bit chip then now Gold color, Touch ID is next for sure. haha Samsung does not copy. Get real!!!
 

Technarchy

macrumors 604
May 21, 2012
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4,927
While the gold iPhone 5 is quite hot in terms of demand, I seriously doubt a gold GS4 will get the same adoration.
 

appleii.c

macrumors 6502a
Mar 18, 2013
531
40
Do you have any understanding how much work goes into getting a phone to market? Clearly not.

To be fair... How much work do you think would go into adding a different color dye into an existing process? It's not a new phone, not a new template, not a new cast, no new software to write and test... Just a new color. How difficult would it be for Apple now to add a "Gold" back to the already in production 5c?

EDIT: Not to mention, it's not even available yet, is it (I may be mistaken)? So this would give them more time to manufacture. All they really needed to do was make the announcement.
 

LIVEFRMNYC

macrumors G3
Oct 27, 2009
8,878
10,987
I think the Gold-Pink will sell very well. The Gold, not so much.

Who cares about copying. One could easily say Notification/Control center, app preview, Lock screen, Safari tab view, and etc on iOS7 is a blatant copy.

You guys are really piss off over who copies colors? :eek:
 

samcraig

macrumors P6
Jun 22, 2009
16,786
41,983
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Look, I'm having a little fun here with all this so if I offend anyone, or ruffle anyone's feathers, I apologize. But as far as the copying goes, I agree that everyone does it. Even Apple. but the thing that irks me, and probably most of the people you would label as fanboys or haters, is the fashion in which Samsung does it, at least the appearance of the way they do it. The way I see it is almost as if they have a team waiting on standby to see what apple does, then shamelessly put out a quick copy of it. Barely putting their own "twist" to it. Items like their S-Voice, the mini stores in Best Buy, the microphone in their voice recorder app, the "tickets" in their "Samsung Wallet" app that look like Passbook, their early product packaging. And look at patent D686,201 just issued... (http://www.patentbolt.com/2013/07/s...te-controller-and-two-controversial-wins.html) it looks like a mac mini. Theres even a Laptop i've seen of theirs that looks just like a Macbook, right down to the keys.

it's one thing to copy a feature or two, one or two aspects of a design... That doesn't bother me. Apple Does it, MS does it, Google does it, Nokia etc. but it just seems to me that Samsung just copies everything and anything that works for Apple (or any other company). That's what I think irks most non-Samsung fans and why you don't see nearly as much of the b**ching and moaning about the other companies when they copy something.

The mic is hardly unique to Apple. Nor is the store within a store. S Voice is more a usurping of Google's offering, etc. People see what they want to see.

To be fair... How much work do you think would go into adding a different color dye into an existing process? It's not a new phone, not a new template, not a new cast, no new software to write and test... Just a new color. How difficult would it be for Apple now to add a "Gold" back to the already in production 5c?

You tell me - how much work was it for Apple to get their white iPhone "correct" ;)
 

Digital Skunk

macrumors G3
Dec 23, 2006
8,100
930
In my imagination

Don't worry, I was having fun with your comment too. The one you quoted was from someone that really made no sense to me.

I apologize for not making my comment to you clearer.

Trust, I know a joke when I see one, even if I don't make mine as clear for others.

I am no big brand fanboy myself. My desk is cluttered with competing products; a Note 2, an iPad 2, a Macbook Pro, a custom built PC, etc. On the high end, the rack has a Tandberg decoder and a Uniden decoder, and folks in the broadcast industry would think I was NUTS for getting a Uniden.
 
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