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samcraig

macrumors P6
Jun 22, 2009
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41,983
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It was leaked wayyyyy before the keynote. Yes, they copied Apple.

They've already produced gold phones before. So why isn't it that Apple copied?

So no. They didn't copy Apple. See how that works. I can state my opinion as fact too.
 

appleii.c

macrumors 6502a
Mar 18, 2013
531
40
The fact that there are sides at all are nutty as everyone has a different use case and should use the product that suits them best. This personal "investment" in what others use or prefer is silly. Bashing the competition is silly and 9/10 (a figure I'm making up) both sides showcase their ignorance of what they are bashing more than they show their intelligence.

What's that saying - "Better to Remain Silent and Be Thought a Fool than to Speak and Remove All Doubt"

I agree, to some extent choosing sides is a bit nutty, but it's what humans do. Unfortunately some are more passionate than others though. To me the nuttier ones are the people who get so offended by it and start calling names and insulting "Hey you idiot Fanboy, go enjoy your crappy X phone with your inferior specs or copycat features". Personally I just laugh them off, just like I laugh off the people who take sides in sports and talk about their mediocre team making it to the superbowl or NBA Championship and bash MY teams. it's all silly and fun. To me the ones who bother me are the ones who choose sides about religion and start wars or harm innocent people. Or the ones who choose sides based on race or political backgrounds.

I don't mind my coworker walking over to my cube poking fun about Apple's latest "non-innovative" release. It's not that big a deal, really.
 

APhillyApple

macrumors regular
Sep 3, 2013
102
0
LOL! This thread is still going, and from what I can tell there is a lot of ******** flowing. Anyway, yeah Samsung is the P.Diddy of smartphones, straight jacking!
 

PollyK

macrumors regular
Apr 18, 2013
197
0
The only thing Samsung can't copy is selling 9 million phones in 3 days.

Sorry that's very questionable. Never before has Apple ever been questioned in such a manner. Times have changed.

http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-actually-only-sold-55-million-iphones-during-opening-weekend-says-gene-munster-2013-9
 

appleii.c

macrumors 6502a
Mar 18, 2013
531
40
Look, regarding the whole copying thing, Why is everyone so defensive about samsung copying? Do you really think Apple is the only one that copies? OK, the notification center was copied from android. And guess what, it's very possible that Samsung copied Apple.

It just smells like a "me too" moment. This is why I believe it was: Sure, Gold phones aren't new, the color gold obviously isn't new. But lets pretend you live in a house, you've been there for 5 years. Your neighbor and you are kinda competing to see who has the nicest house. you both have a nice lawn, nice house you each even have a successful lemonade stand set up. Now, you decide you want to install 64bit Grass, and start selling grapefruit juice also ... as soon as you do it, a couple of days later your neighbor announces "Hey, I'm going to install 64bit grass too by next year". Now, all of a sudden your Grapefruit juice is a big hit. So much so that the juice sells out the quickest, and even starts selling for $2000 on eBay. a few days after that, your neighbor announces that HE'S gonna start selling grapefruit juice also. Doesn't have it yet, just announced it (no availability date yet).

That doesn't sound a little like a copycat? Not saying it IS, and he very well MAY have wanted to sell grapefruit juice before, even though his prior attempts didn't go very well... but c'mon. Nothing wrong with copying, it's what you HAVE to do as a business. they are in it to make money and sell products. if the smart watch business takes off, EVERYONE will have to make one. Apple, MS, Motorola... If it fails, most wont. Just don't be naive to think that Apple is the only one that copies.

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LOL! This thread is still going, and from what I can tell there is a lot of ******** flowing. Anyway, yeah Samsung is the P.Diddy of smartphones, straight jacking!

Hahaha, Are you new here? The threads here on MR are a walking Windows Phone commercial with all the phone fans constantly arguing back and forth. It's what keeps me coming back! :D
 

cynics

macrumors G4
Jan 8, 2012
11,959
2,156
Surprised people aren't used to this by now. It goes like this.

Apple releases something and Samsung releases something similar. iPhone guys laugh Samsung guys get angry.

Samsung releases something and Apple releases something similar. Samsung guys laugh iPhone guys get angry.

I think the main thing is Samsung just makes things too obvious. They will do something similar ASAP. Whereas the Apple will wait years until it's a "been there done that no one cares". Sometimes they do it so well people think it's the first time it's ever been done. Example would be a fingerprint scanner on a phone (Motorola Atrix). Granted it's better it's also 2 years advancement in tech so it should be better.

Anyway this cycle will continue endlessly. No manufacturer will have a smartphone that is vastly different from anything else on the market.
 

samcraig

macrumors P6
Jun 22, 2009
16,786
41,983
USA
Surprised people aren't used to this by now. It goes like this.

Apple releases something and Samsung releases something similar. iPhone guys laugh Samsung guys get angry.

Samsung releases something and Apple releases something similar. Samsung guys laugh iPhone guys get angry.

I think the main thing is Samsung just makes things too obvious. They will do something similar ASAP. Whereas the Apple will wait years until it's a "been there done that no one cares". Sometimes they do it so well people think it's the first time it's ever been done. Example would be a fingerprint scanner on a phone (Motorola Atrix). Granted it's better it's also 2 years advancement in tech so it should be better.

Anyway this cycle will continue endlessly. No manufacturer will have a smartphone that is vastly different from anything else on the market.

I guess I just laugh (again) at the whole idea of "guys" being so black and white.

I know a lot of people here who choose the right tech for them regardless of platform. However - this seems like a foreign concept to those that must be "team" oriented.
 

linkgx1

macrumors 68000
Oct 12, 2011
1,772
462
Some people obviously haven't taken a business course.:rolleyes:

So you're not supposed to 'react' to the market? Hmmm? Competitors? Motorola had fingerprint sensors on their phones way before Apple. Where's the hoopla? Microsoft had flat design before Android or Apple. So companies should just 'not copy' and rest on their laurels? Where the *bleep* is RIM right now? Getting rimmed!

You guys make me sick!:mad:
 

subsonix

macrumors 68040
Feb 2, 2008
3,551
79
I don't see a single smart phone there.

But perhaps you mean to say no one really has a hold on the origin of colors. Because if so, you ought to address the OP.

So what. You can see that it's been Apple's strategy for their iPod line for a long time to differentiate from their flag ship model, it's no surprise that the same theme is used for the iPhone.
 

linkgx1

macrumors 68000
Oct 12, 2011
1,772
462
Look, regarding the whole copying thing, Why is everyone so defensive about samsung copying? Do you really think Apple is the only one that copies? OK, the notification center was copied from android. And guess what, it's very possible that Samsung copied Apple.

It just smells like a "me too" moment. This is why I believe it was: Sure, Gold phones aren't new, the color gold obviously isn't new. But lets pretend you live in a house, you've been there for 5 years. Your neighbor and you are kinda competing to see who has the nicest house. you both have a nice lawn, nice house you each even have a successful lemonade stand set up. Now, you decide you want to install 64bit Grass, and start selling grapefruit juice also ... as soon as you do it, a couple of days later your neighbor announces "Hey, I'm going to install 64bit grass too by next year". Now, all of a sudden your Grapefruit juice is a big hit. So much so that the juice sells out the quickest, and even starts selling for $2000 on eBay. a few days after that, your neighbor announces that HE'S gonna start selling grapefruit juice also. Doesn't have it yet, just announced it (no availability date yet).

That doesn't sound a little like a copycat? Not saying it IS, and he very well MAY have wanted to sell grapefruit juice before, even though his prior attempts didn't go very well... but c'mon. Nothing wrong with copying, it's what you HAVE to do as a business. they are in it to make money and sell products. if the smart watch business takes off, EVERYONE will have to make one. Apple, MS, Motorola... If it fails, most wont. Just don't be naive to think that Apple is the only one that copies.


Nobody is saying that it's not a copycat move. I think this was either unfortunate timing or blatant copying (reaction) to the gold iPhone.

The problem in your example is that if the neighbors are competing, it didn't get worse with the '64 bit grass'. It was always a 'one up' kind of thing. Both think they are getting something 'new' the other one doesn't have. The 64bit neighbor, copied his garden design from some chap in another state he saw on the internet, tweaked it and called it 'new'.

Both copy each other, because they have to. If not? You start getting whiny consumers that 'want this and want that'. Can you copy and still innovate? Yes!


Saints row was an average GTA knockoff. However, by the time it hit part 3 it became something of it's own all together.
 

Oohara

macrumors 68040
Jun 28, 2012
3,050
2,423
Some people obviously haven't taken a business course.:rolleyes:

So you're not supposed to 'react' to the market? Hmmm? Competitors? Motorola had fingerprint sensors on their phones way before Apple. Where's the hoopla? Microsoft had flat design before Android or Apple. So companies should just 'not copy' and rest on their laurels? Where the *bleep* is RIM right now? Getting rimmed!

You guys make me sick!:mad:

I'm seriously tempted to register a second account just so I can +1 this post twice.
 

appleii.c

macrumors 6502a
Mar 18, 2013
531
40
Nobody is saying that it's not a copycat move. I think this was either unfortunate timing or blatant copying (reaction) to the gold iPhone.

The problem in your example is that if the neighbors are competing, it didn't get worse with the '64 bit grass'. It was always a 'one up' kind of thing. Both think they are getting something 'new' the other one doesn't have. The 64bit neighbor, copied his garden design from some chap in another state he saw on the internet, tweaked it and called it 'new'.

Both copy each other, because they have to. If not? You start getting whiny consumers that 'want this and want that'. Can you copy and still innovate? Yes!


Saints row was an average GTA knockoff. However, by the time it hit part 3 it became something of it's own all together.

I agree completely. And this is basically what I was trying to say, everyone copies. The difference in your example and mine (copying from a chap another state) is the perception (at least MY perception) is that in this case it "appears" that Apple is copying from anyone who has a good technology, Samsung LOOKS like it just sits and watches to see what Apple does and immediately, on announcement, copies them. Again, just the way it seems to me.

Like if Apple would have announced "We're going to implement a control center" a week after android came out with it, it would look like a "me too" moment. Instead they waited and copied it MUCH later.

But again, I agree with you, everyone copies.
 

samcraig

macrumors P6
Jun 22, 2009
16,786
41,983
USA
Like if Apple would have announced "We're going to implement a control center" a week after android came out with it, it would look like a "me too" moment. Instead they waited and copied it MUCH later.

But again, I agree with you, everyone copies.

Meh - the end result is the same. And people will see what they want to see in regards to timing.

Phones and manufacturing don't magically get altered overnight based on a rumor or keynote. You know this. Apparently some do not.
 

Tinmania

macrumors 68040
Aug 8, 2011
3,528
1,016
Aridzona
I guess I just laugh (again) at the whole idea of "guys" being so black and white.

I know a lot of people here who choose the right tech for them regardless of platform. However - this seems like a foreign concept to those that must be "team" oriented.

I am going out on a limb here but I think you may have misspelled "sheep."

You have to be part of the herd 100%. Anything else is the enemy.


Michael
 

Jibbajabba

macrumors 65816
Aug 13, 2011
1,024
5
Wow what a surprise, a thread like that turns into iFanboi vs S-Fanboy... Shocking ....

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Nobody is saying that it's not a copycat move. I think this was either unfortunate timing or blatant copying (reaction) to the gold iPhone.

The problem in your example is that if the neighbors are competing, it didn't get worse with the '64 bit grass'. It was always a 'one up' kind of thing. Both think they are getting something 'new' the other one doesn't have. The 64bit neighbor, copied his garden design from some chap in another state he saw on the internet, tweaked it and called it 'new'.

Both copy each other, because they have to. If not? You start getting whiny consumers that 'want this and want that'. Can you copy and still innovate? Yes!


Saints row was an average GTA knockoff. However, by the time it hit part 3 it became something of it's own all together.

If its copying then I am impressed with their know-how in order to come up with the technology / research of a durable gold colour and the equipment to make them work with the Galaxy within weeks of Apple announcing them :)
 

Southernboyj

macrumors 68000
Mar 8, 2012
1,694
69
Mobile, AL
How come no one is pointing out Samsung had gray colored phones before apple?

Where's your god now?


You don't understand how the world works...

Let me clarify:

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onthecouchagain

macrumors 604
Mar 29, 2011
7,382
2
So what. You can see that it's been Apple's strategy for their iPod line for a long time to differentiate from their flag ship model, it's no surprise that the same theme is used for the iPhone.

And Samsung has done gold phones before, and have introduced other colors too to their line up. What's your point? Shouldn't you address the OP then if we're trying to make the same point?
 

dec.

Suspended
Apr 15, 2012
1,349
765
Toronto
now seriously, who EVER would have expected a golden galaxy S4?

All the "samsung will come up with a golden S4 within a week or two after the 5S"-comments in the forums obviously were only meant sarcastic. :)
 
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