Samsung introduces Golden Galaxy S4...(Yup, really)

[onthecouchagain]

If its copying then I am impressed with their know-how in order to come up with the technology / research of a durable gold colour and the equipment to make them work with the Galaxy within weeks of Apple announcing them

Seriously a good point.

If Samsung really did just decide to make a gold phone after Apple's unveiling of it, and they can get something out like this within a few weeks or a month, that's incredible turn around time. People ought to be in awe then.

 

[skratch77]

The only thing Samsung can't copy is selling 9 million phones in 3 days.

Lol the galaxy s3 presold 9 million alone and that is just one phone not 2 combined like the 5s and 5c


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/samsung/9274390/Samsung-S3-9-million-pre-order-new-Galaxy-phone.html

 

[neoelectronaut]

Me neither.

And I see others have already addressed the rest of your post quite adequately.

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I don't find it sad at all.

How come when Apple copies, these same people making these sorts of threads are so understanding and sympathetic that Apple is merely adopting the trends of technology? Indeed, when this happens, it's a good thing for iOS/iPhone users.

But when Samsung sees that Gold is popular and introduces it (along with other colors, it's not like they just made Gold) they're copying and ripping off Apple. Why isn't Samsung credited as adopting the trends as well?

Will we see this sort of threads from these same people when Apple adopts larger screens, screens potentially as large as 6" as some reports have said Apple is testing? Or will Apple be credited as wisely following the trends of larger screen devices, even as large as phablets?

They should be credited for the latter, but so should everyone else that does the same thing. Apple is copying Samsung as they rightly should, and Samsung is copying Apple, as they rightly should, too.

Everyone copies. Everyone follows tech trends. Each company sets a few trends here and there.

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Care to explain the 5C? Let's hear it, OP. Let's hear how fair you are.

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I realize this is from way back on page 1 but I wanted to respond to it anyway:

 

[onthecouchagain]

I realize this is from way back on page 1 but I wanted to respond to it anyway:

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None of those are smartphones, but that's almost irrelevant. There's a lot for you to catch up on in the thread.

 

[kasakka]

This is the lowest and easiest level of product development. A competitor introduces a feature, match the feature. Samsung's strategy seems to be to throw things out there and see if something sticks rather than take the hard way and figure out what would make their products easier and better to use.

PS. I'm a Galaxy S4 owner and it's a great phone but the only thing impressive about it is how they crammed such a big display in while keeping the size the same as the previous generation.

 

[subsonix]

And Samsung has done gold phones before, and have introduced other colors too to their line up. What's your point? Shouldn't you address the OP then if we're trying to make the same point?

They have also made pretty obvious Razor, Blackberry look a likes, and now this Dyson lawsuit. It just seems to me that it's part of their business model, not sheer coincidence, but that's me. No way of proving these things I guess, you either see it or you don't. I recognize a four stripe "Adidas" shoe as someone trying to ride the wave of a more recognized brand for free, others see it as Adidas didn't invent the stripe.

My comment was added because I guess I didn't see the 5c colors as being taken from Nokia, given that it's been a long term strategy for the iPod line and doing the same for the iPhone seems consistent with that.

 

[samcraig]

This is the lowest and easiest level of product development. A competitor introduces a feature, match the feature. Samsung's strategy seems to be to throw things out there and see if something sticks rather than take the hard way and figure out what would make their products easier and better to use.

They aren't mutually exclusive. I think Samsung and all companies do a combination of both.

 

[NuggetSauce]

At this point, the whole arguing about who originated what features first, whos more innovative, who stole what from who is totally moot. It's really just a pointless pissing contest.

We're talking about consumer devices, not art. The only thing that matters is that we are getting these features, and have a choice.

I bet not even 1% of the users on this forum own stock in Samsung, Apple, or Google.

 

[subsonix]

At this point, the whole arguing about who originated what features first, whos more innovative, who stole what from who is totally moot. It's really just a pointless pissing contest.

Really? That's the whole premise of the thread.

 

[onthecouchagain]

Samsung's strategy seems to be to throw things out there and see if something sticks rather than take the hard way and figure out what would make their products easier and better to use.

Do you consider this really bad, though?

Some see this as "throwing everything on the wall to see what sticks," but I see it as fearlessly testing, experimenting, and trying new (and sometimes exciting) things. Don't you think that it's amazing that even though not every one of their things are a hit, they have the resources to be able to spread themselves so wide for experimentation? Isn't that good for the consumers? We don't lose anything. We don't have to buy everything they "sling." But when they do get a hit, we benefit from it. Look at the Note series. How many people here -- myself included -- scoffed at the ridiculousness of a 5+ inch phone with the outdated stylus?

Samsung is actually GREAT for the industry. It needs someone like Samsung that'll dare to push things in multiple directions, even if they're ultimately wrong.

It's not like Apple, in all their care and slow consideration, hits a home run with every single product they bring out either. When it comes down to it, Apple is just doing less.

No?

 

[samcraig]

Do you consider this really bad, though?

Some see this as "throwing everything on the wall to see what sticks," but I see it as fearlessly testing, experimenting, and trying new (and sometimes exciting) things. Don't you think that it's amazing that even though not every one of their things are a hit, they have the resources to be able to spread themselves so wide for experimentation? Isn't that good for the consumers? We don't lose anything. We don't have to buy everything they "sling." But when they do get a hit, we benefit from it. Look at the Note series. How many people here -- myself included -- scoffed at the ridiculousness of a 5+ inch phone with the outdated stylus?

Samsung is actually GREAT for the industry. It needs someone like Samsung that'll dare to push things in multiple directions, even if they're ultimately wrong.

It's not like Apple, in all their care and slow consideration, hits a home run with every single product they bring out either. When it comes down to it, Apple is just doing less.

No?

I think it's a matter of different business models. Both seem to be working as both companies are proving to be successful. Apple will never be Samsung and vice-versa. That's OK.

 

[jrswizzle]

Do you consider this really bad, though?

Some see this as "throwing everything on the wall to see what sticks," but I see it as fearlessly testing, experimenting, and trying new (and sometimes exciting) things. Don't you think that it's amazing that even though not every one of their things are a hit, they have the resources to be able to spread themselves so wide for experimentation? Isn't that good for the consumers? We don't lose anything. We don't have to buy everything they "sling." But when they do get a hit, we benefit from it. Look at the Note series. How many people here -- myself included -- scoffed at the ridiculousness of a 5+ inch phone with the outdated stylus?

Samsung is actually GREAT for the industry. It needs someone like Samsung that'll dare to push things in multiple directions, even if they're ultimately wrong.

It's not like Apple, in all their care and slow consideration, hits a home run with every single product they bring out either. When it comes down to it, Apple is just doing less.

No?

That all depends on how you define "home run". If you define such as being the most popular and best selling smartphone on the planet each year a new one is released (with making money being the primary goal of the company), then I'd say they hit a home run pretty much every time.

If you define "home run" by having the highest customer satisfaction ratings each year, I'd say they hit a home run every time.

If you use preferential bias to decide whether or not the iPhone is the "best smartphone" each year, then they probably don't hit a home run every time.

I agree with your overall post though. Each of these companies has a different business model. And each brings something positive to the overall industry. While I'm not a fan of Samsung's approach as a whole, its because I prefer the more refined, efficient device to the one packed with sometimes half-baked features.

My view is, I'm not purchasing my device to be some tester of new technologies. I want my device to work flawlessly (as flawlessly as possible for a piece of technology anyways - they all have hiccups) and efficiently. If that means not having some new feature because it isn't fully ready, so be it.

This is also my opinion and preference and in no way should it be taken as the end-all-be-all way to do things. There obviously are a lot of people out there who like the Samsung model. Good for them.

 

[daveathall]

I did go into an Apple store at the Metro centre in Gateshead yesterday to have a look at the new models, (Especially the gold) the gold is nice but not to my taste. I did like the 5C's though, and although they are plastic, I prefer the way Apple has "done" plastic to the way it is on my Galaxy S4, it didn't feel like plastic but more substantial if I am honest. I did like the vibrant colours of them also.

TBH, I like the look of the 5C better than the 5S, (not to bothered personally about the fingerprint sensor for my use) if next year the 5C has a bigger screen and the innards of the 5S I would be very tempted indeed.

 

[kenknotts]

Lol the galaxy s3 presold 9 million alone and that is just one phone not 2 combined like the 5s and 5c


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolo...-S3-9-million-pre-order-new-Galaxy-phone.html

9 million people did not preorder the S3. That was counting every retailer around the world who ordered them along with customers. If the S3 and S4 really did SELL 9 million and 10 million phones to actual customers at launch, they would have blown past Apple for the most valuable company in the world, or at least top 3. They arent even top 20.

 

[skratch77]

9 million people did not preorder the S3. That was counting every retailer around the world who ordered them along with customers. If the S3 and S4 really did SELL 9 million and 10 million phones to actual customers at launch, they would have blown past Apple for the most valuable company in the world, or at least top 3. They arent even top 20.

Sorry to upset you but they did sell that many.

That was a preorder and I waited 4 weeks after pre ordering mine.I also pre ordered the note 3 a week ago and the first shipments Verizon gets are for pre ordered phones

 

[onthecouchagain]

That all depends on how you define "home run". If you define such as being the most popular and best selling smartphone on the planet each year a new one is released (with making money being the primary goal of the company), then I'd say they hit a home run pretty much every time.

If you define "home run" by having the highest customer satisfaction ratings each year, I'd say they hit a home run every time.

If you use preferential bias to decide whether or not the iPhone is the "best smartphone" each year, then they probably don't hit a home run every time.

I agree with your overall post though. Each of these companies has a different business model. And each brings something positive to the overall industry. While I'm not a fan of Samsung's approach as a whole, its because I prefer the more refined, efficient device to the one packed with sometimes half-baked features.

My view is, I'm not purchasing my device to be some tester of new technologies. I want my device to work flawlessly (as flawlessly as possible for a piece of technology anyways - they all have hiccups) and efficiently. If that means not having some new feature because it isn't fully ready, so be it.

This is also my opinion and preference and in no way should it be taken as the end-all-be-all way to do things. There obviously are a lot of people out there who like the Samsung model. Good for them.

Mostly agree. There's no denying Apple's successes.

The bottom line is, we generally lose nothing when a company experiments plentifully. Like I said, if they have the resources to do it, why not? We're not forced to buy everything they make. And the few things they get right, we benefit from. And more importantly, the industry benefits as it pushes new boundaries and imaginations of what smartphones can do. Again, I've never seen demo videos the likes of the S4 and especially the Note 3. It's a pleasure to watch, even when I have no intention of getting those devices.

Apple's iPhone doesn't excite me in that way. Not anymore. Their Mac-line is far more exciting to follow.

And, of course, 2014 will be very interesting for the iPhone.

 

[kenknotts]

Sorry to upset you but they did sell that many.

That was a preorder and I waited 4 weeks after pre ordering mine.I also pre ordered the note 3 a week ago and the first shipments Verizon gets are for pre ordered phones

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2404592,00.asp

"As reported by Reuters, Samsung has received 9 million pre-orders for its third-generation Galaxy S smartphone from more than 100 global carriers."


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/17/galaxy-s3-pre-order_n_1526137.html

"SEOUL (Reuters) - Samsung Electronics Co has received some 9 million pre-orders for its third-generation Galaxy S smartphone from more than 100 global carriers, the Korea Economic Daily reported on Friday."

 

[Digital Skunk]

I'm GLAD they stole some elements from the Palm/HP WebOS. Tons of other people have ripped off the card style representation of active apps and its one of the best things the webOS had going for it. I am much happier simply flicking the apps out of the scrolling card view off the page to shut them down. It's a much more logical approach to handling tasks, IMO.

Totally agree. WebOS's multitasking was a shot across the bow for both Apple and Google.

PalmOS3 and Android 2.5, however, I don't see in this setup. If you'd like to explain EXACTLY what they took from those, I'll be happy to respond.

A short look at what iOS 7 does is plenty. It doesn't have specifics about Palm OS3, so I'll have to add that AirDrop is cute and far more effective, but almost 8 years prior I was sending files to nearby PDAs over BT, IR, and with certain apps Broadband.

 

[Savor]

I read an article about how Samsung employees last year studied the iPhone 5 launch and then create another marketing campaign to bash Apple fans in line for one with that S3. Same way they did it with the S II the year before.

I just find this a bit of a pathetic "ME TOO" approach by Samsung as that golden hyperblaze S4 looks hideous to begin with. They do study Apple carefully and try to mimic them or parody them.

But in fairness, Apple didnt INVENT a gold color phone before so iFanatics shouldnt claim this was "copy" or they were the first at it. But they seem to set the trend because they seem to be the most popular at swaying the most consumers to try out gold.

Personally my fav gold phone was the Motorola RAZR 2 Luxury Edition from 2007.

 

[ReanimationN]

Do you consider this really bad, though?

Some see this as "throwing everything on the wall to see what sticks," but I see it as fearlessly testing, experimenting, and trying new (and sometimes exciting) things. Don't you think that it's amazing that even though not every one of their things are a hit, they have the resources to be able to spread themselves so wide for experimentation? Isn't that good for the consumers? We don't lose anything. We don't have to buy everything they "sling." But when they do get a hit, we benefit from it. Look at the Note series. How many people here -- myself included -- scoffed at the ridiculousness of a 5+ inch phone with the outdated stylus?

'Fearless'? Come on couchy, that's a bit much.

 

[MACis122]

That all depends on how you define "home run". If you define such as being the most popular and best selling smartphone on the planet each year a new one is released (with making money being the primary goal of the company), then I'd say they hit a home run pretty much every time.

If you define "home run" by having the highest customer satisfaction ratings each year, I'd say they hit a home run every time.

If you use preferential bias to decide whether or not the iPhone is the "best smartphone" each year, then they probably don't hit a home run every time.

I agree with your overall post though. Each of these companies has a different business model. And each brings something positive to the overall industry. While I'm not a fan of Samsung's approach as a whole, its because I prefer the more refined, efficient device to the one packed with sometimes half-baked features.

My view is, I'm not purchasing my device to be some tester of new technologies. I want my device to work flawlessly (as flawlessly as possible for a piece of technology anyways - they all have hiccups) and efficiently. If that means not having some new feature because it isn't fully ready, so be it.

This is also my opinion and preference and in no way should it be taken as the end-all-be-all way to do things. There obviously are a lot of people out there who like the Samsung model. Good for them.

If samsung sold 1 phone a year the numbers would be just the same but they make 100's of phones a year.

 

[samcraig]

If samsung sold 1 phone a year the numbers would be just the same but they make 100's of phones a year.

Hyperbole is hyperbole.

 

[jamezr]

If samsung sold 1 phone a year the numbers would be just the same but they make 100's of phones a year.

100s....really!!! They sell MILLIONS

 

[matttye]

I think Samsung just has bad timing.

Every company copies one another, but the iPhone 5s has been out what, about two weeks and already Samsung has announced a gold phone and a 64bit processor.

I can certainly see why people think they're copycats. Apple is just as bad, they're just less blatant about it

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Me neither.

And I see others have already addressed the rest of your post quite adequately.

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I don't find it sad at all.

How come when Apple copies, these same people making these sorts of threads are so understanding and sympathetic that Apple is merely adopting the trends of technology? Indeed, when this happens, it's a good thing for iOS/iPhone users.

But when Samsung sees that Gold is popular and introduces it (along with other colors, it's not like they just made Gold) they're copying and ripping off Apple. Why isn't Samsung credited as adopting the trends as well?

Will we see this sort of threads from these same people when Apple adopts larger screens, screens potentially as large as 6" as some reports have said Apple is testing? Or will Apple be credited as wisely following the trends of larger screen devices, even as large as phablets?

They should be credited for the latter, but so should everyone else that does the same thing. Apple is copying Samsung as they rightly should, and Samsung is copying Apple, as they rightly should, too.

Everyone copies. Everyone follows tech trends. Each company sets a few trends here and there.

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Care to explain the 5C? Let's hear it, OP. Let's hear how fair you are.

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The 5c uses the same colours as the iPod nano line. Look it up, I'm not kidding

 

[onthecouchagain]

Folks, for whoever is still worried about this, Samsung actually released the S4 Gold edition before Apple's keynote:

"About a month ago on August 27th, Samsung launched the GALAXY S4 Gold edition in the United Arab Emirates (These were available in stores starting September 8th). It’s since also been released in Kuwait and Qatar," writes author "A."

http://appleinsider.com/articles/13...-golden-history-of-making-gold-colored-phones