Samsung S7 sales vs Apple iPhone sales (and what % are switching)

[widgeteer]

Last I checked I've never been charged for IOS...... So they both seem to be free.

Great! Now once you become an OEM and want to produce your own smartphones or tablets for sale, call Apple and ask for a free copy of iOS to use. Lemme know how that works out!

I'm not sure I follow. What about the markershare data needs debunking exactly? Was there anything incorrect in the story?

The myth of proving Android is more popular due to market share. It's certainly on more devices, but the context doesn't suggest it's favored. If iOS were free, market share would then be a potentially more reliable barometer.

Utterly meaningless? So profits for Apple is a key talking point when discussing their successes, but profit for Google is "utterly meaningless"?

I don't know who this comment was aimed at. Perhaps you should find the poster that stated such and ask them for a clarification?

 

[epicrayban]

The myth of proving Android is more popular due to market share.

I wasn't aware that that was what I was trying to prove, which is strange because I made the post.

I just posted latest marketshare numbers.

I don't know who this comment was aimed at. Perhaps you should find the poster that stated such and ask them for a clarification?

Ok, let me rephrase: How is marketshare, quote, "utterly meangingless?"

I think you're picking the wrong bone here. I don't really care about marketshare that much. I hardly argue that marketshare or sales or profits are the end all and be all of success. I especially don't bring up these metrics when discussing the actual technologies at hand. I literally was just posting the latest findings. Still don't understand your original response to it.

 

[jamezr]

Great! Now once you become an OEM and want to produce your own smartphones or tablets for sale, call Apple and ask for a free copy of iOS to use. Lemme know how that works out!

Well have you been charged to upgrade from one IOS version to another? Infact IOS 10 is free Apple is not charging for it so it would seem both Android and IOS are free. Since Apple chooses not to provide IOS to other OEMs how do you know it would not be free? They do the same with OSX as well all the new versions are free.

Still don't know what any of this has to do with market share.....

 

[widgeteer]

Well have you been charged to upgrade from one IOS version to another? Infact IOS 10 is free Apple is not charging for it so it would seem both Android and IOS are free. Since Apple chooses not to provide IOS to other OEMs how do you know it would not be free? They do the same with OSX as well all the new versions are free.

What does providing the OS to subscribers who already bought a device have to do with providing the OS to other OEMs to use for their own devices? I don't think you understand a word of any of this, do you?

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

I wasn't aware that that was what I was trying to prove, which is strange because I made the post.

I just posted latest marketshare numbers.



Ok, let me rephrase: How is marketshare, quote, "utterly meangingless?"

I think you're picking the wrong bone here. I don't really care about marketshare that much. I hardly argue that marketshare or sales or profits are the end all and be all of success. I especially don't bring up these metrics when discussing the actual technologies at hand. I literally was just posting the latest findings. Still don't understand your original response to it.

The article is putting a heavy emphasis on the fact iOS has lost marketshare to Android so I think it is definitely hinting that Apple are losing their footing.

The real question is what does this mean to the average consumer? Probably nothing unless you buy based on a manufacturers sales figures. I don't know anybody that does that personally, but then again people seem to be keeping their phones for more than 2 years these days.

 

[jamezr]

What does providing the OS to subscribers who already bought a device have to do with providing the OS to other OEMs to use for their own devices? I don't think you understand a word of any of this, do you?

To simplify...it is free. Do you have to pay for IOS 10? Do you have to pay for OSX new versions? Not upgrades but new versions. No because Apple OSes are free.
You bought an iphone with IOS 9 on it. Apple does not charge you to install a new version like IOS 10. It is a whole new version.....not just an upgrade. It is free.

Still don't know what any of this goes to market share?

 

[C DM]

To simplify...it is free. Do you have to pay for IOS 10? Do you have to pay for OSX new versions? Not upgrades but new versions. No because Apple OSes are free.
You bought an iphone with IOS 9 on it. Apple does not charge you to install a new version like IOS 10. It is a whole new version.....not just an upgrade. It is free.

Still don't know what any of this goes to market share?

It appears that's not the sense in which "free" was used in that original comment, as was then also clarified--basically in the sense of it essentially being freely available to any manufacturer to use and customize. Not really sure what continuously picking on a different interpretation of it is going to accomplish.

 

[UAV]

i actually know a few close freinds who love to change to android but won't due to the fact they hold apple stock. go figure. i don't know why they don't just dump that apple stock and get both an android phone and sammy stock. it's a win win if you ask me

 

[jamezr]

It appears that's not the sense in which "free" was used in that original comment, as was then also clarified--basically in the sense of it essentially being freely available to any manufacturer to use and customize. Not really sure what continuously picking on a different interpretation of it is going to accomplish.

It is still a valid point. Android is open source and free to use to anyone. So what? Apple IOS is free to anyone who has purchased a Apple device. New complete versions are free without charge. Not all companies do this...not all companies give their OS versions free. Look at Microsoft and Windows. They charge for Windows....Apple does not charge...so it is free to all Apple customers. Not talking about incremental upgrades like IOS 9.2 to 9.3. But complete versions like IOS 10 is free. Some companies charge for this type of upgrades.

Still not sure what this has to do with market share at all.

 

[C DM]

It is still a valid point. Android is open source and free to use to anyone. So what? Apple IOS is free to anyone who has purchased a Apple device. New complete versions are free without charge. Not all companies do this...not all companies give their OS versions free. Look at Microsoft and Windows. They charge for Windows....Apple does not charge...so it is free to all Apple customers. Not talking about incremental upgrades like IOS 9.2 to 9.3. But complete versions like IOS 10 is free. Some companies charge for this type of upgrades.

Still not sure what this has to do with market share at all.

Seems like point behind that is that only Apple can use iOS on the iPhone models it has vs. many different companies being able to use Android on many different types of devices (at many different types of price-points). Again, it has nothing to do with incremental updates or delivery of those updates or anything of that sort.

 

[jamezr]

Seems like point behind that is that only Apple can use iOS on the iPhone models it has vs. many different companies being able to use Android on many different types of devices (at many different types of price-points). Again, it has nothing to do with incremental updates or delivery of those updates or anything of that sort.

That is the business model for Apple sure....but it still the person I replied to still hasn't answered the question that has been asked several times by different people.

What does that have to do with market share?

 

[bufffilm]

Seems this topic is just about chest-thumping from both camps, depending on what you want to focus on.

Good phones from either camp...buy whatever pleases you the most.

 

[C DM]

That is the business model for Apple sure....but it still the person I replied to still hasn't answered the question that has been asked several times by different people.

What does that have to do with market share?

Well, as far as market share goes, it likely came up in the sense that it could be said that when an OS is available on a handful of mostly flagship models of one brand from one manufacturer with generally higher-end/flagship level pricing, the marketshare comparison to an OS that is available from many more manufactures producing many more models that range in prices and types from flagship to essentially just give-aways for singing up for service would be at best an apples vs. oranges type of comparison.

 

[jamezr]

Well, as far as market share goes, it likely came up in the sense that it could be said that when an OS is available on a handful of mostly flagship models of one brand from one manufacturer with generally higher-end/flagship level pricing, the marketshare comparison to an OS that is available from many more manufactures producing many more models that range in prices and types from flagship to essentially just give-aways for singing up for service would be at best an apples vs. oranges type of comparison.

But isn't that a strawman position so to speak? I mean Apple chooses it to be this way. It is their business model. They choose not to license their OS to other OEMs.
Android is free and open to a lot more OEMs and yes they have different price points. But aren't the Android OEMs following the market? If there wasn't a market for lower price points then those products would not sell. Apple has also ventured into the the lower price point market with the iPhone SE. It has done very well for them.

Apple chooses to stay in the high end price points that have been very good for them until the last year. Profits and market share has dropped.

 

[epicrayban]

The article is putting a heavy emphasis on the fact iOS has lost marketshare to Android so I think it is definitely hinting that Apple are losing their footing.

Right. I'm aware of what the article is about; I shared it.

Was there anything misrepresented in my post?

 

[Truefan31]

http://www.cultofmac.com/442781/ios-falls-as-androids-market-share-skyrockets/#disqus_thread


Cult of Mac: iOS falls as Android’s market share skyrockets



According to new figures published by Gartner, Android is currently the mobile operating system found on a whopping 86.2 percent of handsets worldwide.

iOS, by comparison, lost two percentage points in 2016’s second quarter against the comparable quarter last year: falling slightly from 14.6 percent worldwide to 12.9 percent.

I thought this thread was about s7 sales vs iPhone and the % switching. What's the point of posting this link?

 

[epicrayban]

I thought this thread was about s7 sales vs iPhone and the % switching. What's the point of posting this link?

Marketshare has nothing to do with the topic? Nothing to do with the latest sales? Did you read the article?
[doublepost=1471567057][/doublepost]Anyway, I literally posted the latest numbers. The responses are kind of telling. If the numbers went the other way, I wonder what the responses would've been like. I'll leave it that.

I fully expect Apple to bounce back on some of these numbers once the iPhone 7 is out. Like I said before, I still don't bet against Apple despite having much to say about their actual technology. I'm no fool. I know their place and influence and brand following. I actually argue against the people who say Apple is doomed.

 

[Truefan31]

Marketshare has nothing to do with the topic? Nothing to do with the latest sales? Did you read the article?
[doublepost=1471567057][/doublepost]Anyway, I literally posted the latest numbers. The responses are kind of telling. If the numbers went the other way, I wonder what the responses would've been like. I'll leave it that.

I fully expect Apple to bounce back on some of these numbers once the iPhone 7 is out. Like I said before, I still don't bet against Apple despite having much to say about their actual technology. I'm no fool. I know their place and influence and brand following. I actually argue against the people who say Apple is doomed.

I read the article. It didn't specify how the s7 sales fared against iPhone sales and what % switched. It was more a broad market share article. Android has always been the major market share holder. Didn't the iPhone overtake the s7 in sales again? And the % of people switching is actually relatively small. So the growth in s7 sales seems to be from android users. And that's good for them, regardless.

 

[epicrayban]

I read the article. It didn't specify how the s7 sales fared against iPhone sales and what % switched. It was more a broad market share article. Android has always been the major market share holder. Didn't the iPhone overtake the s7 in sales again? And the % of people switching is actually relatively small. So the growth in s7 sales seems to be from android users. And that's good for them, regardless.

Yep, Apple bounced back in a recent sales report.

I feel the article is on topic. Report it if you disagree. I really don't care. I was sharing the latest numbers.

 

[Truefan31]

Yep, Apple bounced back in a recent sales report.

I feel the article is on topic. Report it if you disagree. I really don't care. I was sharing the latest numbers.

lol I'm not reporting on anyone unless it's insulting. But the article doesn't really illustrate any specific info about this thread. It's probably why you had a back and forth over it too.

 

[epicrayban]

lol I'm not reporting on anyone unless it's insulting. But the article doesn't really illustrate any specific info about this thread. It's probably why you had a back and forth over it too.

Your call. I posted data. Nothing more.

 

[0388631]

i actually know a few close freinds who love to change to android but won't due to the fact they hold apple stock. go figure. i don't know why they don't just dump that apple stock and get both an android phone and sammy stock. it's a win win if you ask me

I seem to be missing the connection here.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Right. I'm aware of what the article is about; I shared it.

Was there anything misrepresented in my post?

I wasn't accusing you of anything, chill out.

You guys take this stuff so seriously lol.

 

[jamezr]

Your call. I posted data. Nothing more.

It was a good article and fits the discussion properly. Thanks for posting it for us!

 

[epicrayban]

It was a good article and fits the discussion properly. Thanks for posting it for us!

Finally a thread about sales and these sorts of metrics and people still complain.