Good luck. Switching from Apple is way harder than switching to Apple. The "Apple ecosystem" is very hard to get out of.
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Save me from the dark side...Thinking about switching back to windows...
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The design world has been waiting for this functionality from Apple for a solid decade, when rumors started curculating that Apple was working on a tablet. Little did we know it'd be an oversized phone for fingerpainting.
Recent comments by the leadership are 100% against this inevitable technological unification. As Apple has grown into the wealthy juggernaut it is, it has become increasingly conservative to protect its idea of the status quo that grew its billions. ...to the point it has to beat down any single device that might do the job of two, or detract from the marking message that you need two, or even three dpseparate devices for three very different and separate kinds of uses.
A century from now no one will remember how this company dragged its heels for a few extra decades.
To get the functionality you need, it's either using Graphic to properly draw in vector, and a Graphic is the most useful and complete iOS design tool, or a Mac + a Wacom Cintiq Display, which costs as much as a car and weighs even more, or stick with the windows environment on the hardware Apple should be making, if you can stand the messy rickety shizbox of the Windows UI wasteland. It's an inefficient, badly designed jumble of discordant UIs designed by engineers and a birds nest of tacked together functionality limitations designed by the god of chaos. But it does work well enough to run design software. ...most of the time.
Microsofts problem is in its Windows OS, and Apples problem is in its leaderships lack of vision.
Recent comments by the leadership are 100% against this inevitable technological unification. As Apple has grown into the wealthy juggernaut it is, it has become increasingly conservative to protect its idea of the status quo that grew its billions. ...to the point it has to beat down any single device that might do the job of two, or detract from the marking message that you need two, or even three dpseparate devices for three very different and separate kinds of uses.
A century from now no one will remember how this company dragged its heels for a few extra decades.
To get the functionality you need, it's either using Graphic to properly draw in vector, and a Graphic is the most useful and complete iOS design tool, or a Mac + a Wacom Cintiq Display, which costs as much as a car and weighs even more, or stick with the windows environment on the hardware Apple should be making, if you can stand the messy rickety shizbox of the Windows UI wasteland. It's an inefficient, badly designed jumble of discordant UIs designed by engineers and a birds nest of tacked together functionality limitations designed by the god of chaos. But it does work well enough to run design software. ...most of the time.
Microsofts problem is in its Windows OS, and Apples problem is in its leaderships lack of vision.
Puh-lease. Windows is fine and I far prefer it to MacOs. Both are fine. Windows hyperbole makes posters sound like idiots.
When you guys claim the Apple eco system keeps you from switching what are you referring too? Handoff? If that is your only reason that sounds a bit closed minded and frankly counter productive. You may be missing out on a lot of great (less expensive, and upgradable) products.
I was recently using a windows 10 laptop. Maybe some of you assume there are incompatibilities between systems, but I had iCloud for Windows 10 installed. My contacts and calendars all synced up with my Apple computers and phone. Email was shared between computers and everything worked fine. There is an iTunes app for Windows that works fine.
If you mean Apple products work better together that is also no longer the case either. I use an Asus router and QNAP NAS, and everything works flawlessly with my Apple products. I even set up the NAS to do time machine backups. Never had an issue.
For me there are two things I can't to on a Windows machine. Answer my phone from my computer or steam content to an AppleTV. Not that big a deal to me. Certainly not enough to proclaim I can't leave Apple...
Am I missing something here?
I was recently using a windows 10 laptop. Maybe some of you assume there are incompatibilities between systems, but I had iCloud for Windows 10 installed. My contacts and calendars all synced up with my Apple computers and phone. Email was shared between computers and everything worked fine. There is an iTunes app for Windows that works fine.
If you mean Apple products work better together that is also no longer the case either. I use an Asus router and QNAP NAS, and everything works flawlessly with my Apple products. I even set up the NAS to do time machine backups. Never had an issue.
For me there are two things I can't to on a Windows machine. Answer my phone from my computer or steam content to an AppleTV. Not that big a deal to me. Certainly not enough to proclaim I can't leave Apple...
Am I missing something here?
Yeah, you are missing quite a bit.
The Apple ecosystem is NOT simply using all Apple products and services to the exclusion of everything else. It is about using those things that are EXCLUSIVELY APPLE. Routers and NASes aren't exclusive to Apple. Most of us use non-Apple routers because the alternatives work better, and are less expensive.
The things you referenced are NOT exclusive to Apple.
The Apple ecosystem consists of Apple computing devices (phones/tablets/notebooks/desktops), peripherals that are unique to those devices (adapters, cases, keyboards, etc.), Apple operating systems (iOS/macOS), and software that runs on those operating systems.
When users rely on and fully exploit the capabilities of the ecosystem components, it is difficult to leave that ecosystem because alternatives don't fully exist... or when they DO exist, you're simply trading one ecosystem for another which in the end is really no different than where you started.
There are some who are fully entrenched in the ecosystem and it wouldn't be cost effective to leave. ("cheaper to keep her") It would take a lot of time, energy, and money to do it.
It is possible to do, but the steps to take to accomplish that would make a good topic for another thread.
Shrug.
Hardware is useless without software.
And unless you want to play games or lock a machine down for enterprise use - windows sucks*. The legacy crapware, the wake from sleep bugs, the malware, spyware (windows itself these days), the inconsistency, etc.
I say that as a Windows admin (and unix - 20 years now... jeez) for my day job.
My apple phone, watch, mac, tablet all talk to each other. Sync between them generally works. Battery life is consistently great. The apps are nice.
Windows is a circus.
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* sure, you can make it work but there are things that are super annoying about it, and the irony is the more of a power user you are the more annoying it gets. which is hilarious when i hear windows only people complain that macs are dumbed down and not usable by power users. its a crock.
Hardware is useless without software.
And unless you want to play games or lock a machine down for enterprise use - windows sucks*. The legacy crapware, the wake from sleep bugs, the malware, spyware (windows itself these days), the inconsistency, etc.
I say that as a Windows admin (and unix - 20 years now... jeez) for my day job.
My apple phone, watch, mac, tablet all talk to each other. Sync between them generally works. Battery life is consistently great. The apps are nice.
Windows is a circus.
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* sure, you can make it work but there are things that are super annoying about it, and the irony is the more of a power user you are the more annoying it gets. which is hilarious when i hear windows only people complain that macs are dumbed down and not usable by power users. its a crock.
I recently bought a really nice windows laptop for half the price of the MBP with better specs and a nicer design. I plan to still keep getting iPhones, iPads, and Apple TV's so I don't think that swapping out my computer for a windows machine means I'm losing what I bought on the ecosystem in my case.
In fact, the laptop has become the device I use the least and I only crack it open maybe once or twice a week and sometimes not even. I use it to work from home mostly and a few things I can't do on iOS and most of the software I use runs natively on Windows anyway. Why drop $3K on a mac?
Of course, if you are a professional who depends on you mac daily then I can easily see the justification for staying. Most of my investment is on the entertainment side when it comes to Apple.
In fact, the laptop has become the device I use the least and I only crack it open maybe once or twice a week and sometimes not even. I use it to work from home mostly and a few things I can't do on iOS and most of the software I use runs natively on Windows anyway. Why drop $3K on a mac?
Of course, if you are a professional who depends on you mac daily then I can easily see the justification for staying. Most of my investment is on the entertainment side when it comes to Apple.
I don't have a problems with Windows - works fine for me. I'm not Windows only, either - I've worked with nearly every OS (retired now as S/W Systems Engineer, started 46 years ago so I've seen a fair share of OS's).
This is the claim the poster questioned. He cited handoff. apple tv and phone on mac as apple advantages and then discounted their importance to him. SO what is he missing? I have made a similar point about the Apple app store in the past.
Another tired rant. I use windows for Maya, Adobe suite, Zbrush, Ableton Live and many other productivity apps. Legacy crapware? What are you talking about?
I don't dispute that you can run pro level apps on it. That's not Windows itself.
I'm talking about (for example) the archaeology expedition that is exploring the Windows GUI (or shell) to do anything beyond basic desktop usage as far as maintaining the platform goes.
There's still lots of bits of Windows NT in there, they haven't ported most of the control panel to the new UI (in 5 years), huge parts of the GUI are still single threaded and a single app can interfere with the whole GUI, the desktop scaling (between multiple different DPI displays) is broken because Microsoft half-assed it. Depending on the app, some dialogs on a mix of high/low DPI displays are completely broken with buttons not rendered inside the dialog box (e.g., SCCM 2012), etc.
The filesystem is still brain damaged in so far as opening files that are already open in a second app, the UI elements that snatch focus (e.g., be typing in application A then a dialog from app B pops up in the foreground and you type into it maybe closing it), etc.
Windows, whilst it CAN be used for pro level apps, it a farce. Its barely good enough for people to write decent apps for, but it is everywhere. That is its only advantage. The fact that it is common.
As an actual platform, despite the application availability - the platform itself is GARBAGE.
Oh and the bugs. The bugs. VSS errors from Windows' own processes not using VSS properly. As above mentioned wake from sleep - still doesn't work reliably even on MS' own hardware.
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Sleep and scaling issues have been resolved, i believe. VSS issues? Isn't that VSS discontiued? Mostly you are throwing out a bunch stuff that won't affect the work flow of even demanding professionals. Do I care that some settings still reside on Control Panel and are not available on "Settings" panel? Not really. Files opened in 2 applications stealing focus--not an issue for me. There are problems. I think its fair to say power management is way behind MacOs. And, yes, there was a lot of update flux in 2016. Ugh!
On a big picture level, I hate that Windows 10 did not rationalize the desktop vs modern space. It does not affect my work flow at all, however. Thanks for detailed reply
Nope. At least not in enterprise LTSB. Get a surface Pro, plug into a 1080p monitor and use both internal and external displays. Eventually you will run into dialogs that won't display properly, citrix receiver for one... internet explorer has wierd rendering bugs, as does office 2016 in certain scenarios.
No VSS is not discontinued. I'm talking about the shadow copy service. Used by backup software amongst other things.
If these aren't issues for you, good for you. Personally it drives me absolutely insane when i am working in one application typing away, and then another application pops up a box over the top of what i am working on, which i inadvertently end up typing in and maybe even hitting enter on because i type fast, often whilst not looking at the screen whilst i am watching something else.
If you run more than one application at a time and can actually type, Windows is infuriating.
Never mind the inability to turn off invasive data collection (go look up what it actually collects and phones home with - there's a technet article on it), the updates policy, etc.
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Sorry but I still don't get it. I use Apple mice and keyboards with PC's and vise versa. Most peripherals are swapable unless they are a hard drive formatted for a specific OS. Even then there are programs that make it easy to blur the lines. Lightening connector I'll give that one to you, but I don't understand the argument that because something like my iPad tablet case does not fit my Samsung, that it is impossible to interact with a different eco system.
Exclusive to Apple and only used by Apple? Lightening connecter and HFS file system. Am I missing anything? If you prefer Apples eco system fine, but I consider an eco system all of my peripherals and computers working together. I have, PC's, Android, and Apple products. They all work together fine except when I want to stream to an AppleTV or answer my phone with another device. Again not restrictive enough to claim that I can only live in only eco system at a time.
I have windows 10 devices but I just enjoy chrome OS and android more....even iOS has a better enjoyability factor than windows 10...get you a Samsung chromebook Plus or pro...try to stay away from windows 10.....too bad I can't....due to projects etc. I barely even touch my galaxy Tabpro S due to windows 10 and its tackiness.
In additional n to my win10 Asus32 g flash storage laptop I have been considering a return to desktop pc gaming though with my limited budget I can only afford a gtx1050 or 1060 at best whereas 1070 and 1080,s lead the race.
Or even make a laptop with a detachable keyboard that can double up as a tablet. Buying both is good for Apple but we're buying a second piece of hardware that is totally unnecessary.
I bought my first MacBook Air in 2011, next came an iPad 3, then along came an iPhone 6 Plus. Sitting here now with a MacBook Pro, iPad Air 2 & an iPhone 6S Plus. My husband is a devoted Windows person & even he has come to admit that my old iPad Air 1 is a nice device.
Buy what you need, the tools that get the job done for you. I am a cancer patient, I love the ease of use of the Apple products. Putting my phone on the charger in the hall & being able to answer a call on my iPad in the bedroom. Sharing things between my devices is so simple. Your needs are different than mine so get what works for you.
Buy what you need, the tools that get the job done for you. I am a cancer patient, I love the ease of use of the Apple products. Putting my phone on the charger in the hall & being able to answer a call on my iPad in the bedroom. Sharing things between my devices is so simple. Your needs are different than mine so get what works for you.