SCARY and SERIOUS Question: Does macOS Big Sur Report Data Back To Apple?

[lupinglade]

Here's a simple way to put it: there is no tangible privacy concern here and they are not logging your keystrokes. To the contrary, the reason they implemented this is to protect your privacy and prevent you from mistakenly launching software that could do these things.

 

[timidpimpin]

Here's a concept that the less tech savvy people need to understand when it comes to seeking help... being spoon fed a bunch of info from others isn't going to sink into your mind and stay there anywhere near the level of actually learning about it and experiencing it yourself firsthand.

That's the most important lesson of all for those that are overwhelmed by tech like @BeautifulWoman_1984

There's nothing wrong with asking for help every now and then, but you need to do most of the learning alone through research and real world testing of the things learned from that research. Just like school... you have to do most of the work yourself, or it will just bounce off you.

 

[BeautifulWoman_1984]

Here's a simple way to put it: there is no tangible privacy concern here and they are not logging your keystrokes. To the contrary, the reason they implemented this is to protect your privacy and prevent you from mistakenly launching software that could do these things.

Thank you lupinglade! I had no idea about this!

Here's a concept that the less tech savvy people need to understand when it comes to seeking help... being spoon fed a bunch of info from others isn't going to sink into your mind and stay there anywhere near the level of actually learning about it and experiencing it yourself firsthand.

That's the most important lesson of all for those that are overwhelmed by tech like @BeautifulWoman_1984

There's nothing wrong with asking for help every now and then, but you need to do most of the learning alone through research and real world testing of the things learned from that research. Just like school... you have to do most of the work yourself, or it will just bounce off you.

I'd love to learn more about user privacy, but I just don't know where to go to view accurate information that's impartial...

 

[leman]

It just sounds like Apple is logging everything that a user running macOS Big Sur does on their Mac including things that aren't even related to iCloud like "TextEdit"... 😧😵☹️

I am a bit late to the party, but no, they do not do that.

The article you have originally linked is extremely biased, opinionated and misleading. The claims made by this "security researcher" have been analyzed and refuted multiple times over the last couple of months.

 

[colourfastt]

I am a bit late to the party, but no, they do not do that.

The article you have originally linked is extremely biased, opinionated and misleading. The claims made by this "security researcher" have been analyzed and refuted multiple times over the last couple of months.

Someone somewhere reposted it and/or liked it, so it must be true.

 

[fisherking]

Someone somewhere reposted it and/or liked it, so it must be true.

plus, it's on the internet, a place where only facts live...

 

[hwojtek]

plus, it's on the internet, a place where only facts live...

"The problem with internet quotes is that you can't always depend on their accuracy"

Abraham Lincoln, 1864.

 

[fisherking]

"The problem with internet quotes is that you can't always depend on their accuracy"

Abraham Lincoln, 1864.

right, but lincoln also wrote: "The problem with quoting me is that you can't always depend on my accuracy"....

 

[timidpimpin]

I'd love to learn more about user privacy, but I just don't know where to go to view accurate information that's impartial...

Once again... that comes from experience. These are not single serving things that you can learn in one go. The very act of researching privacy and security is what teaches you over time what is good and bad. These are things you learn from time and effort, and if you cannot bother doing that, then you really have no business claiming you care about these things. Period.

Spoons are for food. Not learning.

 

[fischersd]

I'm reminded of back in the 90's when the algorithm's the banks use for generating credit card numbers and the means to check credit limits were leaked online. One of the guys working for me at the time at IBM promptly cancelled and cut up all of his cards. It took several discussions for him to finally acknowledge:

1) The entire world was exposed
2) The banks were aware and you, as the customer, could simply notify them of any fraudulent transactions

(ie. The exposure to personal liability was null)

What Apple could do and what Apple actually does are two very different things (and, yes, there's lots of privacy watchdogs keeping tabs on them to make sure that they're not exposing our data).

As for the comment about the PRISM act in that article (which governments around the world since 9/11 have referred to as "lawful access") - I have news for everyone - all service providers have been complying with all government requests in countries where they do business. It's the law. You have zero choice. (which is why Apple gives the feds access to iCloud data if it's requested). Data on your phone that isn't replicated to the cloud, you can hold private; that Apple is working hard to keep one step ahead of the "White hat" providers of forensic tools, to preserve our privacy.

 

[BeautifulWoman_1984]

I am a bit late to the party, but no, they do not do that.

The article you have originally linked is extremely biased, opinionated and misleading. The claims made by this "security researcher" have been analyzed and refuted multiple times over the last couple of months.

Thank you Leman!

Do you have information or a link I can look at that talks about it?

EDIT CORRECTION:
I'm worried about the potential problem of Apple recording user keyboard strokes because this is the only thing holding me back from buying a new Mac Mini M1... ☹️ ☹️ ☹️

In the link I gave it mentions that Apple records user activity so it seems easy for Apple to record ALL activity including key strokes... 😧 😧 😧

 

[retta283]

Thank you Leman!

Do you have information or a link I can look at that talks about it?

I'm trying to solve this problem of Apple recording user keyboard strokes because this is the only thing holding me back from buying a new Mac Mini M1... ☹️ ☹️ ☹️

What is your alternative, however? Windows and ChromeOS most certainly do this. Are you planning a Linux flight if this proves to be so?

I cannot find any solid evidence of keystroke logging being preformed by Apple themselves on macOS. That article is pretty weak.

 

[Mr_Brightside_@]

Thank you Leman!

Do you have information or a link I can look at that talks about it?

I'm trying to solve this problem of Apple recording user keyboard strokes because this is the only thing holding me back from buying a new Mac Mini M1... ☹️ ☹️ ☹️

This claim is entirely fabricated on your part. I have reported it to admins accordingly.

 

[BeautifulWoman_1984]

This claim is entirely fabricated on your part. I have reported it to admins accordingly.

Sorry I just fixed the post as I wasn't fabricating anything and I simply didn't type what I was thinking in my mind... ☹️

 

[Mr_Brightside_@]

Sorry I just fixed the post as I wasn't fabricating anything and I simply didn't type what I was thinking in my mind... ☹️

I'm just curious, do you read what people write you in your threads? You don't ever seem to.

 

[BeautifulWoman_1984]

I'm just curious, do you read what people write you in your threads? You don't ever seem to.

Of course...

My life is really turbulent at the moment as I'm dealing with multiple life stressors so sometimes I don't reply as quickly as I'd like to... 😢 😢 😢

 

[Mr_Brightside_@]

All of your concerns have been responded to in this thread, thoroughly, repeatedly, and yet every time you respond it's repeating your original post. I've said it in your other threads but it's beyond insulting.

 

[lupinglade]

Seems like deliberate misinformation. Your question has been answered multiple times, including very clearly by me. They are not recording your keystrokes. Why would you even think that? Why do you think Apple would want to do this?

 

[Mr_Brightside_@]

Seems like deliberate misinformation. Your question has been answered multiple times, including very clearly by me. They are not recording your keystrokes. Why would you even think that? Why do you think Apple would want to do this?

The answer seems to be, because Apple collects (anonymized) information from Macs to ensure they are not being hijacked, they must also be...hijacking the Macs themselves.

 

[BeautifulWoman_1984]

Seems like deliberate misinformation. Your question has been answered multiple times, including very clearly by me. They are not recording your keystrokes. Why would you even think that? Why do you think Apple would want to do this?

😢 😢 😢

I'm not deliberating giving misinformation. I just want to make sure the device I want to buy is safe to use.

 

[retta283]

😢 😢 😢

I'm not deliberating giving misinformation. I just want to make sure the device I want to buy is safe to use.

It's not as if Apple is a criminalistic organization that's going to use your information to hunt you down and kill you. They collect some data, yes, but much less than the other major companies. If you can't accept that, I'm afraid that technology is not for you.

 

[Mr_Brightside_@]

😢 😢 😢

I'm not deliberating giving misinformation. I just want to make sure the device I want to buy is safe to use.

It is, but it seems no one here can convince you of it.

 

[lupinglade]

😢 😢 😢

I'm not deliberating giving misinformation. I just want to make sure the device I want to buy is safe to use.

Then you can now confidently purchase your new Mac. There is nothing to be concerned about here. An Apple device is currently the best available consumer product for privacy.

 

[leman]

Do you have information or a link I can look at that talks about it?

This is an in-depth discussion of this topic:

Does Apple really log every app you run? A technical look – Jacopo Jannone - blog

Here is an article on The Verge discussing this, with different viewpoints and the official Apple reply

Apple responds to privacy concerns over Mac software security process

The downtime prompted a privacy backlash from security researchers.

www.theverge.com

I'm worried about the potential problem of Apple recording user keyboard strokes because this is the only thing holding me back from buying a new Mac Mini M1... ☹️ ☹️ ☹️

There is no evidence I know of that Apple does anything like this. Apple's built-in protection will also notify you if any app tries to do the same.

It is known that Windows 10 was collecting user keystrokes and sending them to Microsoft around 2017. I don't know if they have changed that.

In the link I gave it mentions that Apple records user activity so it seems easy for Apple to record ALL activity including key strokes... 😧 😧 😧

Again, most of that article was baseless fear mongering. If one wants to make these claims, one has to present some evidence. Most claims made by Jeffrey Paul have been shown as factually wrong, and the rest is just baseless rant of a crazy person.

 

[jeyf]

ask for a download and Apple Inc will share with you some of the type of data it has collected. Apple is probably the most socially correct. Just conjecture, Apple could give away thier hardware and still make money off you.

there is no internet anonymity.

to be somewhat anonymous you would have to limit your self form a lot of web sites and avid the bloated off the shelf OS platforms and apps. What os you do run would have a virtual component.


so its DNS that resolves the web site text address into an IP adress. typically your DNS query is not encrypted. Your DNS will make several jumps for a none local web site. even if you run a VPN; does your vpn providor own their own DNS servers... NO.

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