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If Scott was responsible for the music app in iOS 6 and the podcast app, then I approve this decision.
 
Having had about 12 hours to think about this news, I have to say that I hope Sir Ive lives up to the expectations many seem to have of him. I hope that Ive's obvious genius with respect to the fit and finish with hardware and packaging can translate to software.

I have to wonder if Ive feels like he's kind of on an island at Apple these days. I mean, there's no shortage of stories about how Steve and Jony used to spend many hours bouncing ideas off each other. They were, no doubt, two geniuses at work. I just can't picture Tim Cook going into Jony's design "cave" and getting all excited about what he was working on like it sounds like Steve often did. I know Jony has a design team, but I have to wonder if it's lonely at the top for him these days.

It seems like Apple is betting a good chunk of the company on Jony. I hope he doesn't crack under the pressure. Steve obviously fed off of and loved having that amount of involvement. While Steve and Jony thought along the same lines much of the time, I'm not sure they shared the same passion for wearing so many hats. Time will tell.
 
I agree. Skeuomorphism doesn't bother me so much in iOS, but just pisses me off in OS X. I can't stand Calendar and Contacts in Lion & Mountain Lion.

Even though Skeuomorphism doesn't enrage me the way it does some people, it is:

a. Inconsistent with the minimal design of the hardware.

b. Looking disticntly 1990s at a time when both Android and Windows Mobile 8 are going for for a more minimalist look.

However, I do like the idea of some colour or texture 'cues' to distinguish different application windows, as long as the controls are consistent. It would be nice to tell at a glance whether a window was Safari, Finder, Mail...
 
Hmmm... "forced out".... In my experience what probably happened was that Apple, in a moment of temporary insanity, decided to get rid of all that is Google. Being over confident they must have thought they could replace the Google parts easily.

They told Forstall to create the new maps function within a year. He then probably said, "no way that's crazy Google has had years to perfect their product. I can't do it in a year. Besides I already have Siri" etc. etc. They went ahead anyway, launched Maps and failed. Now, they needed a scapegoat and blamed Forstall who again said, "no way, I told you this wouldn't work, why should I be the one to apologize"... so they sacked him.

The above is only speculation from my part and I don't want to blame or defend anyone. Its just corporate b******t.

Very, very plausible idea...
 
I am aware of what logical fallacies are.

Post hoc ergo propter hoc is the false cause fallacy. I did not imply a causal relationship. I merely stated that value is subjective and that we can measure the value that each individual places on a product by the sum he or she is willing to pay for that object.

Something being "cool" is badge value. It is no less a meaure of value than any other - that's why a signed photograph is worth more than a non-signed photograph. I'm not saying customers are shallow or deep, that is not a judgement for me or you to make - merely that what they choose to pay for a product is a measure of the value THEY place on it at the time of the transaction.

There is no other way to measure value that is not subjective. I personally see no value in a ticket to a One Direction concert but that does not mean that it has no value to anyone else. I have no right to judge what others find to be valuable.

I think we cannot simplify this by using the word "value", you are talking about multiple things like emotional attachement, fandom and marketing influence. Value is something more tangible.

However that is my personal opinion.
 
The thing about the skeuomorphic designs is that they looked pretty crap on standard DPI displays. On the retina displays they look quite nice. I'm more at ease with skeuomorphic designs on iOS than OSX though. It seems to work better when you can "touch" the UI.
 
Ive's take on iOS UI design could be interesting. Methinks it could possibly take a step back towards the design feel of the original:

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It was plain, non-cluttered, and matched the hardware very well. It also lacked the customization available today.

I'm more curious to see who takes over OS X design; Forstall was a big player in the design of the Aqua interface.

You cant be serious. The original UI:
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Present UI:
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Not much of a difference Ace....
 
Wouldn't it being Ive's lobby for firing other strong names capable of replacing Cook's role someday?

Is sir Ive the new Jobs?
 
Even though Skeuomorphism doesn't enrage me the way it does some people, it is:

a. Inconsistent with the minimal design of the hardware.

b. Looking disticntly 1990s at a time when both Android and Windows Mobile 8 are going for for a more minimalist look.

However, I do like the idea of some colour or texture 'cues' to distinguish different application windows, as long as the controls are consistent. It would be nice to tell at a glance whether a window was Safari, Finder, Mail...
It doesn't enrage me, but it has been taken to a level where it looks silly in some cases, and was hindering usability. And as you say, it's inconsistent with the hardware.

I'm cautiously optimistic about Ive taking over the UI design. His philosophy is to get the unnecessary out of the way to allow the focus on usability, which is really what anyone wants out of their computing experience.

There's a big difference between visual cues (like the 'genie' effect) which are cute, but more importantly useful for conveying information, and an address book that's less useful than it was before just so it can look like a real one. Apple's biggest wins are when they manage to do both at once. Look great and be useful.
 
I think we cannot simplify this by using the word "value", you are talking about multiple things like emotional attachement, fandom and marketing influence. Value is something more tangible.

However that is my personal opinion.

If value is something more tangible, what is it? If value must be "tangible" how do you explain people paying for flowers that will die within a few days or paying to go see a movie? What "tangible" value is there in seeing Skyfall? The value of entertainment is entirely intangible. As is the value of all art, of fine food and wine, even of the vast majority of telephone conversations which aren't about exchanging data but rather are about bonding.

The fact is that value is many things. Yes, including emotional attachment, brand, badge value and everything else. They are all types of value and they all contribute to what someone is willing to pay in cash to own a product or use a service.
 
Apple took 59% of the profits in the smartphone market in the third quarter of this year - that's mostly pre-iPhone 5. Samsung took 47%.

And if anyone complains that 59 plus 47 is more than hundred - it means that the other companies combined must add up to a loss of 6%!
 
As they should be in the entire country IF an employee is fired. If they go on their own then I have no issue with a non compete. It's ridiculous to expect someone to not get another job in their field of work after being fired.



Sweet you were in the board rooms and offices at apple? Man, that must be an awesome job! I figured that was the case because you're talking about the situation like you know what's going on. I do suspect you have no clue and are simply talking out your 4th point of contact but maybe I'm wrong.... am I?
You obviously don't own a company.

When a business is sold, the buyer generally requires a non-compete agreement. This prevents the seller from taking the clientele he just sold and opening up shop under a different name.

Non-compete agreements in terms of employees is a little more complex but provides essentially the same protection. I am the owner of a small business and I'll be *dammed* if I'm gonna allow a guy that has worked for me to bring the customers I've spent 25 years cultivating and nurturing with him should we part ways.
 
I think we cannot simplify this by using the word "value", you are talking about multiple things like emotional attachement, fandom and marketing influence. Value is something more tangible.

However that is my personal opinion.
Currency (trade) is an expression of value, which in itself is always perceived. It has no material existence. My reading of Zunjine's (extremely well-argued) posts are that Apple have stimulated an impression of value in their products, through some complex union of design, marketing, customer service, etc., that is commensurate with the price they charge for them.

In my view, value is a composite of all of the things you mention ('emotional attachment, fandom and marketing influence') and more, and thus is precisely the word we should be using in this (rather tangential) discussion. Yet I would argue that value, in and of itself, is completely intangible; it is only the responses to value (i.e. exchanging several days of physical and mental labour for an iPhone) that are tangible.

This is of course, however, also my personal opinion :)
 
You obviously don't own a company.

When a business is sold, the buyer generally requires a non-compete agreement. This prevents the seller from taking the clientele he just sold and opening up shop under a different name.

Non-compete agreements in terms of employees is a little more complex but provides essentially the same protection. I am the owner of a small business and I'll be *dammed* if I'm gonna allow a guy that has worked for me to bring the customers I've spent 25 years cultivating and nurturing with him should we part ways.

Hey, isn't it free competition?

Sometimes I don't understand the american liberalism. Sometimes liberal, sometimes protectionist.
 
I know companies have them to protect their investment IP. If there was not a no compete clause employee X could simply take all he knows and help company X's competitor. Employee X had a job and chose to leave so why let him/her take those talents (possibly earned while at company X, causing them to put a lot of time and money into their training) to another company and possibly hurt company X? NOW if company X fires employee X why should they be able to stop them from taking their talents to another company. That's my thinking on the subject.

Wait a second... Where I work I am under an NDA (part of the employment contract), and I cannot give any knowledge specific to my company to any competitor. Either while I'm employed or after I am employed. That doesn't mean I can't work for a competitor. What you are saying is that once I got any training at a company, they've got me by the balls and I can't go anywhere else without their permission. Next thing you tell me that nobody who ever worked at McDonald's can ever start a job at Burger King.

But the company also benefitted from the knowledge I had when I joined. Knowledge gained through study, in my spare time. Look, I have to protect my IP. So I demand that when I leave, they remove everything that benefitted from my knowledge. Does that make sense to you?


Non-compete agreements in terms of employees is a little more complex but provides essentially the same protection. I am the owner of a small business and I'll be *dammed* if I'm gonna allow a guy that has worked for me to bring the customers I've spent 25 years cultivating and nurturing with him should we part ways.

You are confusing things here. Customer information falls under "trade secrets", and someone leaving your company has no right whatsoever to use any of your trade secrets (as long as that was part of the employment contract; if you are stupid and this is not part of the employment contract then you are in trouble). That doesn't mean that person can't drum up new business from scratch. Including business from people who used to be your customers. What he can't do is for example using knowledge of strength and weaknesses of your product, or pricing strategies, that would only be known to your employees, to improve his new business.
 
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Non-compete agreements in terms of employees is a little more complex but provides essentially the same protection. I am the owner of a small business and I'll be *dammed* if I'm gonna allow a guy that has worked for me to bring the customers I've spent 25 years cultivating and nurturing with him should we part ways.

That's nice, but non-compete clauses are illegal in California (where Apple is HQed). That guy you spent 25 years cultivating can do anything he wants, after walking out of your door.
 
My guess is he still has a non-compete in place that would prevent him from working in the same field for a direct competitor for a while. He'll probably do something more like Tony Fadell. Work on something completely different for a while like Nest.

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The California Supreme Court ruled noncompete clauses are against state law and therefore not enforceable and automatically void. Since they are in CA any such clause would be useless.

Edwards v. Arthur Andersen LLC 2008 DJDAR 12286
 
You obviously don't own a company.

When a business is sold, the buyer generally requires a non-compete agreement. This prevents the seller from taking the clientele he just sold and opening up shop under a different name.

Non-compete agreements in terms of employees is a little more complex but provides essentially the same protection. I am the owner of a small business and I'll be *dammed* if I'm gonna allow a guy that has worked for me to bring the customers I've spent 25 years cultivating and nurturing with him should we part ways.

If you're the one who cultivated and nurtured the relationship with those customers, why would they ever jump and go with your ex-employee? Either he or she is the one who actually created value or you wasted your time pursuing non-existent loyalty with those customers.

Sounds to me like you just want to keep the value your employee created without keeping the employee, or compensating them for their marginal value, which is really how business owners 'create' value (it's through ownership of the labour of employees, while compensating them at a level below the marginal value of said employee's production).
 
Currency (trade) is an expression of value, which in itself is always perceived. It has no material existence. My reading of Zunjine's (extremely well-argued) posts are that Apple have stimulated an impression of value in their products, through some complex union of design, marketing, customer service, etc., that is commensurate with the price they charge for them.

In my view, value is a composite of all of the things you mention ('emotional attachment, fandom and marketing influence') and more, and thus is precisely the word we should be using in this (rather tangential) discussion. Yet I would argue that value, in and of itself, is completely intangible; it is only the responses to value (i.e. exchanging several days of physical and mental labour for an iPhone) that are tangible.

This is of course, however, also my personal opinion :)

That's actually a key point that I failed to make. Cash, in and of itself has no value. It's a symbol which holds value only so long as we believe it holds value. In many ways, hard cash is the most intangible value of all.
 
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