Other See, Apple can be wrong (USB-C). What else needs a rethink?

[JPack]

You have zero basis to claim that Apple was "made" to convert to USB-C.

Apple pioneered the move to USB-C with MacBook and did not hesitate to add it to iPad either. Both of these are relatively low volume markets (compared to iPhone) that would not be dramatically upset by the move to USB-C.

iPhone, on the other hand, is a much larger and more diverse market, that cannot so whimsically change connectors without disrupting 1.5 billion people. Apple waited until USB-C grew up around iPhone so that the transition felt more like "finally" to the majority of the iPhone market instead of "WTF".

Next, iPhone models are planned 3 years in advance. iPhone 15 was already slated to have USB-C before the E.U. even thought of the idea of mandating it.

And lastly, if Apple were doing this because they were made to, they wouldn't have had to ship anything until iPhone 17. They transitioned 2 model years sooner than "required".

Absolutely zero evidence or data points agree with the idea of Apple being "forced" to.

You uh, probably missed the interview on Wall Street Journal with Apple's Senior VP of Worldwide Marketing.

Greg Joswiak: "Obviously we will have to comply. We have no choice, like we do around the world, to comply with local laws, but we think the approach would have been better environmentally and better for our customers to not have a government be that prescriptive."

EU already began the proposal of mandating in 2020. And do you seriously think it takes all 3 years for Apple to change a design for a product undergoing development?

Parliament wants binding rules on common chargers to be tabled by summer | News | European Parliament

The European Parliament calls on the Commission to put forward beefed-up rules on common chargers by July 2020 at the latest.

www.europarl.europa.eu

 

[Cirillo Gherardo]

You uh, probably missed the interview on Wall Street Journal with Apple's Senior VP of Worldwide Marketing.

Greg Joswiak: "Obviously we will have to comply. We have no choice, like we do around the world, to comply with local laws, but we think the approach would have been better environmentally and better for our customers to not have a government be that prescriptive."

EU already began the proposal of mandating in 2020. And do you seriously think it takes all 3 years for Apple to change a design for a product undergoing development?

Parliament wants binding rules on common chargers to be tabled by summer | News | European Parliament

The European Parliament calls on the Commission to put forward beefed-up rules on common chargers by July 2020 at the latest.

www.europarl.europa.eu

Saw it. Means nothing. Read the rest of the post. No one forced Apple to use USB-C.

 

[Ralfi]

Saw it. Means nothing. Read the rest of the post. No one forced Apple to use USB-C.

Let’s not get bogged down with this.

Anyway, the main point of the thread was to highlight other features Apple needs to look at so that the iPhone user experience is noticeably improved.

 

[JPack]

Saw it. Means nothing. Read the rest of the post. No one forced Apple to use USB-C.

Apple Sr. VP of Worldwide Marketing gives a 2 minute explanation on why USB-C ain't so great. You take it as, Apple wanted to move to USB-C voluntarily on iPhone 15 and wasn't forced to.

LOL, sure. 🤣

 

[hamiltonDSi]

USB-C is a calamity. Easily the most mechanically weak plug & socket connection ever invented. A disaster in waiting. People are free to disagree and I expect most will, but they'll soon agree the first time one of their devices is bricked by a disintegrating USB-C port.

100% agree with this.

The amount of dead Lenovo crap I've had to deal with due to broken USB-C ports is unreal. And the ports are mostly not repairable because they tear a chunk of the board off with them when they go.

I am not defending USB-C but for me its working great since 2016.
My old 2016 15' Pro has all 4 ports working without issues, just the same like my dads M1 Air and my 2020 iPad.

So i'm really hoping my iPhone's USB-C port will have the same reliability as the devices mentioned above.

Tbh i am really indiferent what port my iPhone uses. I don't plug things into it. I have my iPad for that lol

 

[Cirillo Gherardo]

Let’s not get bogged down with this.

Anyway, the main point of the thread was to highlight other features Apple needs to look at so that the iPhone user experience is noticeably improved.

In other words, you can't refute these points that refute your contention in the OP.

Apple Sr. VP of Worldwide Marketing gives a 2 minute explanation on why USB-C ain't so great. You take it as, Apple wanted to move to USB-C voluntarily on iPhone and wasn't forced to.

LOL, sure.

Not remotely what he said. I'm done with you and this nonsense.

 

[JPack]

Not remotely what he said. I'm done with you and this nonsense.

Yes, please be done. If you can't even get what Apple's VP of Marketing thinks about USB-C based on such a clear video interview, I'd be concerned about the logic with the rest of your posts.

 

[bousozoku]

USB-C is a calamity. Easily the most mechanically weak plug & socket connection ever invented. A disaster in waiting. People are free to disagree and I expect most will, but they'll soon agree the first time one of their devices is bricked by a disintegrating USB-C port.

Made properly, I don't see more disintegration with USB type-C than with Lightning.

 

[Cirillo Gherardo]

Yes, please be done. If you can't even get what Apple's VP of Marketing thinks about USB-C based on such a clear video interview, I'd be concerned about the logic with the rest of your posts.

You're inventing things that aren't there in the face of actual logic. Fact.

 

[macfacts]

100% agree with this.

The amount of dead Lenovo crap I've had to deal with due to broken USB-C ports is unreal. And the ports are mostly not repairable because they tear a chunk of the board off with them when they go.

Pics or it didn't happen.

 

[jz0309]

Glass Backs. Just make Magsafe 2 for iPhone that uses the logo as physical contacts or something. The magnets will still work through a metal body (see iPad).

iPads have magsafe? I missed that announcement ...
Do you put metal into a microwave? does anyone offer wireless charging with a metal back? I don't think so and there's a reason for that

 

[ProbablyDylan]

iPads have magsafe? I missed that announcement ...
Do you put metal into a microwave? does anyone offer wireless charging with a metal back? I don't think so and there's a reason for that

That remark is in regards to magnets working through metal. And you missed the part where I mentioned using the logo as contacts. Decidedly not wireless.

 

[johannnn]

USB-C has been one of the best ‘moves’ Apple has made in recent times.

What's so great that I can't use any of all my old cables anymore? Talk about bad for the environment.

 

[Ralfi]

What's so great that I can't use any of all my old cables anymore? Talk about bad for the environment.

Look I know you’re heavily invested in the Apple ecosystem, but my advice to anyone is to not do this - incorporate some Google or Amazon Smart Home devices into your environment as they’ll perform better than Apple’s in many aspects.

Everyone should have a USB-C cable by now. I‘m pretty shocked that you don’t tbh.

Anyway, this is another deflection from the point of the thread…

 

[Janichsan]

... or the lack of touch input on MacBook...

The touch pad is right in front of you, you know?

 

[Jim Lahey]

Made properly, I don't see more disintegration with USB type-C than with Lightning.

Well quite, and therein lies the problem. Unless one quizzes the manufacturer for their IO port meantime-to-failure analysis prior to purchase then it's a lottery. By design it's susceptible to mechanical weakness and when OEMs start playing fast and loose with cheapo components it's a catastrophe waiting to happen. Cheap cables can also probably expedite the inevitable eventual failure. And Apple's own iPad Pro is not immune to this phenomenon so it's folly to assume they're faultless in this regard.

For the majority of users it's fine, of course, but if you use a USB-C port often enough for long enough then it's orders of magnitude more likely to fail than any design that came before it. I imagine most OEMs spec their ports based on a high device turnover rate and largely wireless peripheral use, but if you stray outside this window then the likelihood is quite high that you'll sooner or later be a USB-C victim. Goes without saying that anyone is entitled to disagree, but everyone does until it happens to them and their thousand dollar device becomes a paperweight.

 

[johannnn]

ook I know you’re heavily invested in the Apple ecosystem, but my advice to anyone is to not do this - incorporate some Google or Amazon Smart Home devices into your environment as they’ll perform better than Apple’s in many aspects.

Everyone should have a USB-C cable by now. I‘m pretty shocked that you don’t tbh.

Most people have both Lighting and USB-C cables. Including me. So I don't see how some people are so amazed that the iPhone changed to USB-C? We used to pick a white cable, now we pick a black cable. Who cares. I charge mostly wireless anyway.

 

[SalisburySam]

USB-C is a calamity. Easily the most mechanically weak plug & socket connection ever invented. A disaster in waiting. People are free to disagree and I expect most will, but they'll soon agree the first time one of their devices is bricked by a disintegrating USB-C port.

Not a “calamity” for me but a real point of failure on my Logitech keyboard case for my 12.9” iPadPro. The USB-C port seems to have, as @Jim Lahey states, disintegrated. Plug will not seat all the way (yes, cleaned out the dirt) but pops out just short of full seating. Hence, cannot charge keyboard. I was hoping this is a very isolated event but perhaps not. All of my other dozen or so USB-C devices all connect and work well, including two iPads, lots of hard disk drives, external SSDs, etc., so for my limited exposure the USB-C port is overall positive. Except for that one keyboard. A tad bitter if I’m honest.

 

[Ctrlos]

- iOS needs a rebuild for one-handed use on larger phones. It (and Android) are currently an ergonomic mess.

- iPadOS needs a few rethinks to make better use of screen space. Why copy iOS notifications when they could be on the dashboard? Why is the dashboard just one narrow column? Why is the swipe-up window interface still miles better than stage manager? etc

 

[Ralfi]

iPadOS needs a few rethinks

You’ve reminded me of a constant gripe with the iPad keyboard - ‘Slide to Type’ is only accessible on the floating keyboard, but the size of this keyboard is too small.

I think there should be a medium sized keyboard which allows Slide to Type. Even the standard sized keyboard should allow it imo - i‘m pretty tired of correcting words when I horrendously misspell something because of constant missed buttons…

 

[Ctrlos]

You’ve reminded me of a constant gripe with the iPad keyboard - ‘Slide to Type’ is only accessible on the floating keyboard, but the size of this keyboard is too small.

I think there should be a medium sized keyboard which allows Slide to Type. Even the standard sized keyboard should allow it imo - i‘m pretty tired of correcting words when I horrendously misspell something because of constant missed buttons…

Aye, the small keyboard is still based on an iPhone 6-sized display. Something akin to the Max iPhone screen would be better.

Software has a history of completely disregarding the ergonomics of the devices that contain it and the mini-iPad keyboard is no different. Consider for example how many interactions on your iPhone are beyond your thumbs. Apple's solution, 'Reachability' is akin to telling a child that the best way for it to reach the top of the fridge is to buy a scissor lift.

 

[throAU]

USB-C has been one of the best ‘moves’ Apple has made in recent times.

Eh?

Apple were one of the developers of type C usb.

 

[HDFan]

Where else has Apple missed the mark on for a long time

Their non-ergonometric mouse that can't be used while it is charging.

 

[Ralfi]

Eh?

Apple were one of the developers of type C usb.

Is that right?

Makes their lag in implementing it all the more staggering.

 

[throAU]

Is that right?

Makes their lag in implementing it all the more staggering.

Yup, they’re on the USB consortium.

Bear in mind apple had a mechanically superior port already (lightning) that pre-dates USB-C by years and had a legacy ecosystem to support.

TBH i think their timing was about right given the circumstances. Wireless charging became a thing slightly prior to the shift, so people moved way from cable charging anyway and type-c became common enough elsewhere such that the port change didn’t have a major negative impact.

Apple adopted type C exclusively on the mac before anyone else. The iphone and ipad had other constraints as explained above.