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i4k20c

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Pretty much the same. I was a 1P user before they bungled the subscription transition. Found Bitwarden and migrated to it. It’s actually worked better for me and hasn’t lost data in a single secure note that I’ve edited (1P sometimes wouldn’t sync and I’d lose any changes periodically). Now that Apple keychain/Passwords has gotten much better and added passkeys I’ve been using it primarily for logins and Bitwarden as a backup/secure note saver/non-Apple password manager.

Personally, I can’t wait till passkeys are the primary login way. They’re so fast and easy. Come on work services and integrate already! 😂

what are passkeys? like the authenticator codes?

also - is this a limitation of bitwarden or iOS? if i create a new account via an app - there is no way to save that login information. do you struggle with that also? what do you do in that scenario?
 

gamerdude

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If I can get my friends and family ( who are less tech savvy than I am) on board to not use the same password everywhere then that's a win in my book. I have a family plan and it's worth it for me to keep the accounts of my close ones secure (relatively)
 

Chronus

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I changed to Proton Pass a few months ago and actually prefer it to 1password. It's a great alternative and the free version allows 1 vault.
 

eclipse01

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I am confused, what is going on?

I paid the 1 time fee way back in the day for local icloud syncing of my vault between my Ipad and Iphone, what does this mean for me?

Seems to still be working fine....
 

wysiwyg1972

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I am confused, what is going on?

I paid the 1 time fee way back in the day for local icloud syncing of my vault between my Ipad and Iphone, what does this mean for me?

Seems to still be working fine....
Same here. I don’t see a difference after upgrading to ios17. Sometimes it auto fills, sometimes it won’t. But I can always find them within the app, which is synched across all my devices.
 

contempt

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Sadly, they're all doing this. I'm a long-time SplashID user with a one-time paid lifetime license. New update will only support subscriptions and sadly, my desktop syncing now crashes. 1Password was supposed to be my savior only to see them revert to this BS.

All I want is an unhackable client with an encrypted databased synced either to iCloud or Dropbox or just local on my desktop with a wifi sync. This shouldn't be too much to ask.
 

AnthroMatt

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I get 1Password for free from my ISP (Frontier), so I will keep it. I'd probably keep it if I had to pay, for reasons stated already, namely that I can use the browser extension on my work laptop which runs Windows.
 

QuarterSwede

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what are passkeys? like the authenticator codes?

also - is this a limitation of bitwarden or iOS? if i create a new account via an app - there is no way to save that login information. do you struggle with that also? what do you do in that scenario?
Uses biometric identification to log you in. No username or password required. All of the large services are starting to support them. So far Bitwarden doesn’t support passkeys yet. I believe 1P just added support. Apple has very robust passkey support (they helped create it) and they have a very active developer on Mastodon that listens and is proactive about its customer requested features.
 

MisterSavage

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I am confused, what is going on?

I paid the 1 time fee way back in the day for local icloud syncing of my vault between my Ipad and Iphone, what does this mean for me?

Seems to still be working fine....
You're probably running 1PW6 or 1PW7. 1PW8 the current version and is where things changed.
 

Expos of 1969

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Uses biometric identification to log you in. No username or password required. All of the large services are starting to support them. So far Bitwarden doesn’t support passkeys yet. I believe 1P just added support. Apple has very robust passkey support (they helped create it) and they have a very active developer on Mastodon that listens and is proactive about its customer requested features.
Why do I need to use a service like Bitwarden or 1P to log in via passkeys if that is biometric identification?
Can I not somehow log into all places directly from my phone, laptop or tablet? How exactly do passkeys work?
 

QuarterSwede

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Why do I need to use a service like Bitwarden or 1P to log in via passkeys if that is biometric identification?
Can I not somehow log into all places directly from my phone, laptop or tablet? How exactly do passkeys work?
3rd parties would be good for cross system compatibility still and for a backup. Otherwise you don’t need them at all. Passkeys basically use an encryption key to log you in via FaceID or TouchID or other biometric authentication. You simply tap or click login, your device authenticates you, and it logs you into whatever system you’ve gone to. It’s GREAT.
 
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Expos of 1969

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3rd parties would be good for cross system compatibility still and for a backup. Otherwise you don’t need them at all. Passkeys basically use an encryption key to log you in via FaceID or TouchID or other biometric authentication. You simply tap or click login, your device authenticates you, and it logs you into whatever system you’ve gone to. It’s GREAT.
1Password and other such companies have a very dim future unless I am missing something.
 

Mr. Heckles

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3rd parties would be good for cross system compatibility still and for a backup. Otherwise you don’t need them at all. Passkeys basically use an encryption key to log you in via FaceID or TouchID or other biometric authentication. You simply tap or click login, your device authenticates you, and it logs you into whatever system you’ve gone to. It’s GREAT.
The fact your passwords on your iPhone is protected by the same passcode as your phone is horrible security. Someone gets a hold of your phone and figures out your 6 digit passcode, you’re screwed. At least people with 3rd party password managers have a master password protecting passwords.

1Password and other such companies have a very dim future unless I am missing something.
Why would they have a dim future? Browsers been saving passwords before password managers, so how is iCloud Keychain any different? 3rd party password managers are the way to go. Cross platform, doesn’t lock you into an ecosystem, they do more, and tons of other reasons.
 
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QuarterSwede

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The fact your passwords on your iPhone is protected by the same passcode as your phone is horrible security. Someone gets a hold of your phone and figures out your 6 digit passcode, you’re screwed. At least people with 3rd party password managers have a master password protecting passwords.


Why would they have a dim future? Browsers been saving passwords before password managers, so how is iCloud Keychain any different? 3rd party password managers are the way to go. Cross platform, doesn’t lock you into an ecosystem, they do more, and tons of other reasons.
Some getting ahold of your device has always been a worse case scenario, that hasn’t changed. If someone is using a 6 digit pin they probably have crappy login passwords too. If anything, this is making their online security a lot more secure.
 

Mr. Heckles

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Some getting ahold of your device has always been a worse case scenario, that hasn’t changed.
Exactly, this is why people need to be ready for worse case scenarios. People’s lives are on these phones, and they need to be protected as such.
If someone is using a 6 digit pin they probably have crappy login passwords too.
The average person with an iPhone used a 6 digit PIN, because that is the default choice when setting it up. Most people also use Safari, since it’s also the default. Most people will use iCloud Keychain…. Again because the it’s the default choice. See where I am going here? The default set up that Apple made here, people with 6 digit PIN will actually have great passwords.

The average iPhone user (majority of the users) use the default set up.
If anything, this is making their online security a lot more secure.
How in the world will this make online security a lot more secure?
 

phillytim

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It’s been around for a while now and here are all the sites that support it.. not many… my friend.
Again, this doesn’t do anything if someone has possession of your phone and knows your passcode... like I said before.

I know of a couple sites that support passkeys, and are not on that passkeys.directory list you provided. There will be more not on that list than the ones I know of, I guarantee.
 

scotio200

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I get 1Password for free from my ISP (Frontier), so I will keep it. I'd probably keep it if I had to pay, for reasons stated already, namely that I can use the browser extension on my work laptop which runs Windows.
There is a chrome and edge extension for iCloud Passwords now, works on Sonoma and Windows
 
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GalileoSeven

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I definitely get the animous toward subscription services/models, but am afraid with the 'genie being out of the bottle' as it were, there's no going back.

Count me in though as one who has no problem paying for a service where the devs and others behind the scenes are constantly keeping that service updated and hardened against threats.

(Jumped aboard the 1P subscription train back in 2021 after one of LastPass' security incidents. Did give iCloud Keychain a spin as well, but this was before I made my wholesale shift away from Chrome and to Firefox, which currently doesn't support it).


For those who use Bitwarden too, I found this article the other day on BleepingComputer......

 

MisterSavage

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For those who use Bitwarden too, I found this article the other day on BleepingComputer......

The feature that had the issue was off by default and they made changes to address it more in March. Sounds good to me.
 

Mr. Heckles

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The average iPhone users will never use a password manager like 1Password anyway.
my parents are average users and use one.…
This is one of the reasons why iCloud Keychain isn’t safe, and not a good idea to keep passkeys in. Apple needs to fix this, for the average user.
 
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