I've used Android phones, and there are just so many things about them that aren't as intuitive as my iPhone. It's not just comfort or familiarity, but those strange situations where you've got something you've never dealt with before, and it's just so much easier to figure out on the iPhone.
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Seriously considering the move to Android.
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I see that sarcasm still hasn't made it over the pond.
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You mean like this complicated feature?
Hence why the iPhone and iPad will never be able to replace a laptop. Apple literally takes the 'smart' out of smartphone.
P.S. not sure what Android device you used, but what you described is not how any recent iteration of Android works. Plug in the phone and it looks and acts just like any other drive on your PC. Or are you saying you can't figure out a simple file system?
IOS handles them better, yes the I4 with IOS6 lags but it's better than the HTC EVO running Jellybean... whoops... it never got a offical version, not even ICS.
I've had android phones basically become worthless once a never update came, if you buy anything but the higer end Galaxy, HTC One, G2 and the DROIDs you're a fool, you can't play that game apple plays and win, it's in the software.
Iphone 4s will have some lag with IOS 7 but it won't be what android is used to.
Let's see how last year's flagship Gs3 handles KLP then we'll talk.
Knowing HTC you're outta gas if you own the One X, Evo LTE and so forth.
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I'm saying the majority of people would rather has ITUNES do the work rather than putting music in FOLDERS.
I've had
All the Evos and when ICS rolled around they all become paperweights... didn't have the last one.
In other words, to"play that game apple plays," you need to not buy low end phones. Granted. And you should buy phones that get regular updates. Granted. What is your point? The 4S - which is less than two years old - is being cut out of a number of iOS 7 features. The 4, which was at the time less than two years old, was cut out of Siri (for no technical reason) as well. So, iOS is not going to show a lot of slowing-down on older phones because Apple will disable any features that would possibly stress the phones. At least on Android you more typically get the option of at least trying them.
So... instead of using the file copying paradigm that every graphical desktop OS has ever used and which people have been using since GUIs were created, you think people would rather open up iTunes and figure out how to get their files in and out of their devices that way.
Wrong. Try again.
Wow... so once ICS came out, those phones just self-bricked? Or did you mean they couldn't take the upgrade? So, like older Apple devices? On the other hand, you could root them and install other kernels and get at those features anyway, an option which is not really available for iPhones.
So you're saying that if you want a phone that can run head to head with Apples $200 16GB iPhone 5, you have to buy an equivalently powerful Android phone(Samsung GS4, HTC One, LG G2...etc)? This is surprising to anyone? A few years ago a friend of mine got a "free" iPhone 3Gs and complained that it was slow compared to the iPhone 4s that I bought at about the same time.
This problem exists on both sides of the fence, low end hardware sucks.
I'm not sure what you're saying here. My HTC One shipped with 4.1.2, upgraded to 4.2.2 and now I've flashed 4.3. Even running 4.1.2, the slowest of the 3 versions of Jellybean, I had less lag and stutter than my iPhone 4s had, similar usability to my wife's iPhone 5.
I disagree, that is a very misleading statement. If you own an apple product you're not given a choice in the matter.
How exactly does iTunes simplify and make things more automated when it is the exact same process. In both instances you're copying files from one location to another. While there are many benefits to having iTunes i don't see how this is one of them. In fact, as you delve deeper and want to do things like copying files from one device to another, in the iTunes setup its a more difficult and longer process.
Also have the Galaxy Nexus and went from ice cream sandwich to jelly bean 4.3. It still runs very well.
I cannot tell you how many people at work (of a vast variation of ages) constantly ask me "How do I get this song [or picture or video] onto my iPhone/iTunes/computer?"
They'll even ask "Can't I just drag it and drop it?"
Gasp.
They'll even ask "Can't I just drag it and drop it?"
Gasp.
Before you can do that....
Why do I need a pc to install iTunes? Can I not just not just plug my portable drive into phone and copy files?
Why do I need to create an apple Id and why do I need a credit card info?
Why do I need to use one specific pc with iTunes and not just any pc?
Why can't I get my files out of phone without the specific iTunes pc?
Why do all my files got wiped when I login using another account?
Talk about wearing apple tinted glasses.
Your going have to get a job outside of that mental asylum.... Or at least introduce them to Dropbox or email
AirDrop on iOS 7 will help iOS device users exchange content between their devices.
The whole problem with your premise is that you actually assume everyone enjoys using that bumbling mess known as iTunes.
Before you can do that....
Why do I need a pc to install iTunes? Can I not just not just plug my portable drive into phone and copy files?
Why do I need to create an apple Id and why do I need a credit card info?
Why do I need to use one specific pc with iTunes and not just any pc?
Why can't I get my files out of phone without the specific iTunes pc?
Why do all my files got wiped when I login using another account?
Talk about wearing apple tinted glasses.
1) you don't - it also works on Mac
2) you no longer need CC info for setting up an iTunes account.
3) one iTunes PC/Mac and inability to copy music from your device to another computer is basically a form of anti-piracy for music & downloaded video content.
You can access user created content photos / videos on any computer via iPhoto on Mac or MyComputer / Devices on PC.
4) last few times I have swapped association of iTunes account between differing computers (between my laptop and desktop) the information on my device (content) was NOT wiped....
1) you don't - it also works on Mac
2) you no longer need CC info for setting up an iTunes account.
3) one iTunes PC/Mac and inability to copy music from your device to another computer is basically a form of anti-piracy for music & downloaded video content.
You can access user created content photos / videos on any computer via iPhoto on Mac or MyComputer / Devices on PC.
4) last few times I have swapped association of iTunes account between differing computers (between my laptop and desktop) the information on my device (content) was NOT wiped....
You didn't get my sarcasm?
ITunes is much ado about nothing. You expect anyone who is not in apple prison to go thru that kind of trouble to just copy files?
Are You Serious!!!! You were being sarcastic ?
OMG! Maybe you could kindly inform your post about that !!
(Now that's how you do sarcasm
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Its funny how us Brits are often cited as the founders or kings of sarcasm, yet you think it is something that we are yet to discover! lol.....Don't worry, we'll discover dry humour one day too.I see that sarcasm still hasn't made it over the pond.
Or do you think I was replying to your sarcasm with an equally sarcastic tone because I was once again reading the same old, tired criticisms of lame features iOS has chosen not to adopt? Filing systems, music files, back button's, so what.
Before you can do that....
Why do I need a pc to install iTunes? Can I not just not just plug my portable drive into phone and copy files?
Why do I need to create an apple Id and why do I need a credit card info?
Why do I need to use one specific pc with iTunes and not just any pc?
Why can't I get my files out of phone without the specific iTunes pc?
Why do all my files got wiped when I login using another account?
Talk about wearing apple tinted glasses.
For what it's worth, my iPhone has been plugged into iTunes maybe 3 or 4 times in 2 years.
Truth be told, I don't need a PC much at all when it comes to managing content on my Apple iOS devices. Seem like an alien concept actually
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THANK. YOU.
Lol all this nonsense about dragging and dropping and whatever.
When I buy a song, movie, TV Show, create a document, spreadsheet, powerpoint, snap a photo with my iPhone, iPad - all my devices get a copy, right there, without me "transferring" anything.
That's the future. Drag-and-drop is so 2000.
"But but that only works if you are in Apple's evil walled garden!!!" (ya sounds super evil and limited - I can have all my stuff instantly on ALL my devices without doing anything - how do I survive?)
How about nifty inventions like Dropbox which
works on iOS too! I have a Dell Laptop at work and an HTC One - Dropbox gets my HTC One photos automatically when they're taken and once again - available on all my devices.I was working on a project yesterday and needed to use InDesign - which I only have on my Mac and not my Dell. Dropbox the template file over and done! I have like 12 flash drives sitting in a drawer at home that NEVER get used.....so forgive me for not clamoring to have the "flash drive" function on my phone.
iWork is available in iCloud now, and so too now are all my documents (available across platform) and my music is synced/updated up-to-the-minute (or whenever I buy new stuff) across ALL my devices through iTunes on the computers (its not a bad media player) and Play music on my HTC One.
And I do this ALL without ever dragging and dropping.
Although here - I'll throw you DaD'ers a bone. I had to transfer my Mumble Server certificate from my MacBook Air to my iPhone - so I opened up iTunes, went to the apps tab and......dragged-and-dropped????!!!!...the certificate into the mumble app. Took me a minute - which admittedly made me impatient as I'm not used to waiting on stuff like that.
Anyways - silly Apple so stuck in the past. I can't believe people live or work with those tiny little toys.
You're completely missing the point, which was that, in order to simply copy a file to your iPhone, you had to open up iTunes, which is like saying that, in order to tweet, you'd need to open up Microsoft Word. There is literally no technical reason why you'd need to use a massive app like iTunes (277MB on my Mac) to transfer a file. Plus, the mechanism [open iTunes, go to the apps tab, find Mumble Server app, drag file onto that] is not intuitive to anyone who doesn't already know how to get it to work in iTunes, whereas the Android way - open folders, drag the file - is exactly like every graphical OS works.Although here - I'll throw you DaD'ers a bone. I had to transfer my Mumble Server certificate from my MacBook Air to my iPhone - so I opened up iTunes, went to the apps tab and......dragged-and-dropped????!!!!...the certificate into the mumble app. Took me a minute - which admittedly made me impatient as I'm not used to waiting on stuff like that.
Anyways - silly Apple so stuck in the past. I can't believe people live or work with those tiny little toys.
There is just no possible way you can defend file copying via iTunes as being superior to the Android approach. You can't even defend it as being "more intuitive."
I agree with all the cloud-based approaches you mention. Even there, Android is superior, because you can actually - gasp! - download files onto your device without needing to first put them in Dropbox or the like (for example, linked files in web pages).
iOS has a lot of superior features. File transfer is not one of them.
What happens when you delete a photo off your Mac? Does it delete it off your phone too? Is this whole cloud thing controllable? In other words, if I want it off my phone, but not off my comp, can I configure it so that it only syncs a certain direction or syncs a certain photo/selection I want?
Very curious.
Very curious.
And you're missing the point that this instance was the ONE time in the last # years that I've had to drag-and-drop.
Point being, if DaD is the primary way you move files, you're stuck in the past.
As for the vitriol iTunes receives, I'm not sure why. I suppose, because I leave iTunes open so my music syncs to the Play Music manager whenever I buy something, I don't experience any of this lag or bloat people say iTunes brings. I literally click a tab (open a folder) and drag and drop.
Not sure what you mean by Android being superior as far as cloud-sharing services. I've found there's nothing intuitive about exporting a file from Dropbox to my phone.....took me forever to realize that I have to choose the "SD Card" option even though my HTC doesn't even have an SD Card slot.....then you pick the folder to save it in, which is fine as the photos app keeps your folders organized, but I could easily have picked a folder I didn't mean to pick and then had to figure out how to switch it to the correct folder.
I'll take the fact that my iPhone knows I'm saving a photo (or uploading/exporting) and puts it in the photos app. Or a document in the Pages app, or a PDF in the iBooks app......
So instead of going into the file system, picking the file and selecting the app to open it in, I open the app I know already has the type of file I'm looking for and its there. The apps in iOS ARE the folders in a sense - which sucks for someone who uses 7 different PDF apps, but for someone like me who prefers ONE app per function and doesn't like redundancy, iOS works very well.
Not saying the iOS way is perfect, but people who can't understand its appeal are either haters/trolls or blind in their own right.
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Yes you can. I have a much larger number of photos saved to my computer than I do to my phone. I also have the photos I took on my old iPhones saved on my computer, but they aren't all in my iPhone's camera roll.
Generally speaking, I take photos on my phone (backed up via iCloud and synced to all my devices), and then I delete them as they become useless but the backup is still there and my computer still holds the photos.
Photo Stream also only saves and syncs the last 1000 photos. So while you may keep all the photos saved on you computer, it will only push the last 1000 taken/newest still saved.
You can also pick which albums to sync - though this all requires some organization to your photos - which I have little of lol.
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Probably because it's such a pain on the iPhone. ;-)
Or, I don't know, maybe you're not on a computer with Internet access, or at least unrestricted Internet access. Amazingly, such systems exist, and millions of people work on them.
It's because it's a massive app where no massive app is needed. It isn't vaguely intuitive - it doesn't follow standard paradigms - and it is rooted in a DRM past, which explains the restrictions about simply copying files easily.
I'm confused as to how you're confused - when I open a photo, for example, in Dropbox, I'm presented with all the apps which might use it. I only would export it to the SD card if I wanted to store it on the device, which is silly because (a) it's been cached on the device already because I opened it, and (b) I'm likely to want to use it in an app anyway. And if I do have to save a file, I pick a folder, yes, just like on any computer OS I'd use. Same paradigm. Known to all.
Ah, because you've only got one way to look at each type of file?
Again, I suppose that's great if you only use one app for a given type of file, but even on my iDevices I have multiple apps for almost all file types.
Dragging and dropping seems tedious. All photos and private albums are synced over iCloud or/and wifi.
When I go on vacation and my Mac is turned on 1000 miles away, all my photos and iWork files are synced up perfectly. I don't need to anything, especially not dragging around my actual laptop and a usb cable.
And then their is Airdrop in iOS 7...
When I go on vacation and my Mac is turned on 1000 miles away, all my photos and iWork files are synced up perfectly. I don't need to anything, especially not dragging around my actual laptop and a usb cable.
And then their is Airdrop in iOS 7...
Cloud services sound great. I refuse to believe that there are no cloud services for Android? Didn't they make big announcements about these same features at their recent keynote? Thought there was a whole section devoted to photos and editing?
And what if you don't have Macs? Does it still sync?
And what if you don't have Macs? Does it still sync?
I love dragging and dropping.
And any time I need to go wireless, DropBox syncs everything (I'm not into Google photos/Picasa or whatever).
Drag and dropping also gives me the flexibility to hone in on what I want and don't want very easily and very quickly. File manager allows me to create folders on my very device, too to organize. For example, running Emulators and ROMs on my phone is cake. Try "Syncing" stuff like that.
Also, I think it comes down to, once again!, choice. On Android, you have the choice to drag and drop or use cloud services. On iOS, you don't -- not without the cumbersome iTunes.
Dragging and dropping is something most computer-literate users fully understand, too.
And any time I need to go wireless, DropBox syncs everything (I'm not into Google photos/Picasa or whatever).
Drag and dropping also gives me the flexibility to hone in on what I want and don't want very easily and very quickly. File manager allows me to create folders on my very device, too to organize. For example, running Emulators and ROMs on my phone is cake. Try "Syncing" stuff like that.
Also, I think it comes down to, once again!, choice. On Android, you have the choice to drag and drop or use cloud services. On iOS, you don't -- not without the cumbersome iTunes.
Dragging and dropping is something most computer-literate users fully understand, too.
Actually yes - if you go back, I edited my original post to add that I HATE having multiple apps for the same function. I find what works and stick with it. Doesn't mean I won't use other things from time to time or that I stick to this 100% (because unfortunately on both platforms its a necessity), but generally speaking I like to use what works best for me and get rid of the redundant nonsense.
As for the rest of your post, I supposed it just comes down to use case. The instances where I've wanted to download a file from dropbox to save to my device are because I've found a wallpaper on my PC and wanted to use it on my HTC. So I throw it in dropbox (my go-to, across the board cloud saving app) and pull it out on my phone. Then I need to save it to make it my wallpaper. Whereas, my iPhone would present a simple "save to camera roll" option, my HTC gave me different apps with which to share my photo, none of which were a simple "save to photo app" and I had to jump on Google and finally figure out that the non-existent SD Card was where I needed to save it.
I am curious though, and wouldn't mind going through the exercise. Share some examples of a file save or share that you feel is terribly un-intuitive on an iOS device. I'd like to better understand this. I'll admit, I have my set uses for my devices, and I'm probably not doing EVERYTHING on either so there will be instances I don't automatically think of. I'd like to see what you have in mind and then I can try to come up with the fastest iOS solution.
For instance - I bought a song on Google Play (or Amazon prime, or any other music store NOT iTunes). My process to transfer that song to my phone would be to open iTunes on my computer and add that song to my library (via the amazing traditional file system). It would then appear via iTunes match on my other devices.
Generally I'd do this right when I purchase the song/album - however, if I'm not at the computer where the file is saved? (in my case, my home iMac serves as the central hub for my media, so I tend to buy things either on my iPhone or on my iMac - for this example, I would've bought the song/album on my iMac). I use my iPad mini (which is always in my bag I take to work) and via LTE or a WiFi connection remote log-in to my home iMac via PocketCloud (a wonderful app available for Android and iOS) and do the above - iTunes > add to library. Again, it appears on all my devices.