Seriously considering the move to Android.

[jrswizzle]

I love dragging and dropping.

And any time I need to go wireless, DropBox syncs everything (I'm not into Google photos/Picasa or whatever).

Drag and dropping also gives me the flexibility to hone in on what I want and don't want very easily and very quickly. File manager allows me to create folders on my very device, too to organize. For example, running Emulators and ROMs on my phone is cake. Try "Syncing" stuff like that.

Also, I think it comes down to, once again!, choice. On Android, you have the choice to drag and drop or use cloud services. On iOS, you don't -- not without the cumbersome iTunes.

Dragging and dropping is something most computer-literate users fully understand, too.

True - if you want to run emulators and download torrent files, iOS isn't for you.

Again - "cumbersome iTunes". I really don't know what constitutes easy for you guys. Like I said, I have iTunes up all the time on my iMac at home. Nothing cumbersome about a drag-and-drop to an application that's open.

But whatever. I think you guys are really making my point for me:

It's not that the iPhone (iOS devices) CAN'T do things. You just don't like the way it does things. That's always been what I've been trying to get across.

(except mail attachments - that blows. Although mail on Android isn't all that polished either.....).

 

[onthecouchagain]

There's plenty iOS can't do. Can't gesture-type, for one. Etc.

 

[jrswizzle]

There's plenty iOS can't do. Can't gesture-type, for one. Etc.

But the function of typing is doable. You're confusing WAY to do a function with the function itself. I'm looking at end results.

Typing an email
(1) iOS has one keyboard. You can type on it (heck some people can type quickly on it).
(2) Android has a multitude of keyboards. Some suck some are great - you can type or swype your email.

End result - both can type an email.

Get it?

Again - please don't think I'm trying to say iOS is better. I'm not saying that AT ALL. Just trying to dispute the FUD that iOS devices are "crippled" or limited because they can't do certain things - when the fact is they CAN, you just don't like the WAY you have to do those things. Which is completely fine and a reason you choose Android.

 

[onthecouchagain]

But the function of typing is doable. You're confusing WAY to do a function with the function itself. I'm looking at end results.

Typing an email
(1) iOS has one keyboard. You can type on it (heck some people can type quickly on it).
(2) Android has a multitude of keyboards. Some suck some are great - you can type or swype your email.

End result - both can type an email.

Get it?

Again - please don't think I'm trying to say iOS is better. I'm not saying that AT ALL. Just trying to dispute the FUD that iOS devices are "crippled" or limited because they can't do certain things - when the fact is they CAN, you just don't like the WAY you have to do those things. Which is completely fine and a reason you choose Android.

Please point to where I said iOS doesn't have the function to type. That doesn't even make sense.

And again, the main point is choice to do it however you like. People are always talking about the importance of "preference"; that it all comes down to preference. What happened to that argument?

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But the function of typing is doable. You're confusing WAY to do a function with the function itself. I'm looking at end results.

Typing an email
(1) iOS has one keyboard. You can type on it (heck some people can type quickly on it).
(2) Android has a multitude of keyboards. Some suck some are great - you can type or swype your email.

End result - both can type an email.

Get it?

Again - please don't think I'm trying to say iOS is better. I'm not saying that AT ALL. Just trying to dispute the FUD that iOS devices are "crippled" or limited because they can't do certain things - when the fact is they CAN, you just don't like the WAY you have to do those things. Which is completely fine and a reason you choose Android.

I just thought some more about this.

Your point here is a little silly. By your rationale, you can argue so many things don't matter. Why drive a car when you can still get to point A to point B by foot? Why eat steak or lobster over chicken or vegetables when they ultimately serve the same function?

By your argument, why bother with anything as long as it ultimately results in the same thing? Why bother improving anything when it can already do its said function? No one would argue iOS can't type, for example. Again, that's absurd. But the argument is iOS can't swipe nor offer different keyboards nor different keyboard sizes nor a suggestion bar nor custom secondary symbols, etc.

But hey, it can type, so, who cares about all these extra (and better) ways of doing things.

 

[jrswizzle]

I just thought some more about this.

Your point here is a little silly. By your rationale, you can argue so many things don't matter. Why drive a car when you can still get to point A to point B by foot? Why eat steak or lobster over chicken or vegetables when they ultimately serve the same function?

By your argument, why bother with anything as long as it ultimately results in the same thing? Why bother improving anything when it can already do its said function? No one would argue iOS can't type, for example. Again, that's absurd. But the argument is iOS can't swipe nor offer different keyboards nor different keyboard sizes nor a suggestion bar nor custom secondary symbols, etc.

But hey, it can type, so, who cares about all these extra (and better) re: subjective ways of doing things.

Its not silly when the argument against iOS is that you CAN'T do these things. Again, I'm not saying its better or worse. Everyone decides that on their own (some people DO walk instead of driving - exercise, money....there are reasons).

Point = its all preference. Don't tell me the iPhone is limited or crippled when that's merely your preference talking. You literally just made my point for me (why eat steak or lobster when chicken and veggies work - because you prefer one to the other, and some days you prefer different things. None of this negates the fact that both meals will provide nutrients and energy).

Perhaps you don't like the way the iPhone works. And given there are fewer options to choose from on iOS, you feel stuck. Valid point. That's how you feel. But then taking that feeling and making statements like "The iPhone is crippled." "You can do some much more on Android." doesn't jive. You may be able to do things in MORE ways on Android - but the end results, the functions and things people use smartphones for, are actually quite similar. Both OSes work.

 

[onthecouchagain]

Its not silly when the argument against iOS is that you CAN'T do these things. Again, I'm not saying its better or worse. Everyone decides that on their own (some people DO walk instead of driving - exercise, money....there are reasons).

Point = its all preference. Don't tell me the iPhone is limited or crippled when that's merely your preference talking. You literally just made my point for me (why eat steak or lobster when chicken and veggies work - because you prefer one to the other, and some days you prefer different things. None of this negates the fact that both meals will provide nutrients and energy).

Perhaps you don't like the way the iPhone works. And given there are fewer options to choose from on iOS, you feel stuck. Valid point. That's how you feel. But then taking that feeling and making statements like "The iPhone is crippled." "You can do some much more on Android." doesn't jive. You may be able to do things in MORE ways on Android - but the end results, the functions and things people use smartphones for, are actually quite similar. Both OSes work.

Again, no one is saying the iPhone can't type. No one.

Imagine if you were using a flip phone that had the letters keyed to a number (1 = abc, 2 = def, etc -- T9 typing, it was called?). Can that device still type? Of course. Can the iOS keyboard type better? Most definitely. Can you prefer typing the T9 method? Of course. Is iOS' keyboard better than T9 style? Certainly. Easier, faster, more intuitive.

Now go further. Is the Android keyboard(s) better than iOS? Yes. Can the iOS keyboard swipe, or let you pick out suggestions from a bar, or let you change the size of the keyboard? No. Can you still prefer the iOS keyboard? Go ahead.

Is this concept so difficult to understand? Is your only argument that it someone clashes with this notion of preference (it doesn't)? Again, no one is saying iOS can't type nor you can't prefer iOS' way of typing.

PS. The steak/chicken example was a bad example. My bad.

 

[jrswizzle]

Again, no one is saying the iPhone can't type. No one.

Imagine if you were using a flip phone that had the letters keyed to a number (1 = abc, 2 = def, etc -- T9 typing, it was called?). Can that device still type? Of course. Can the iOS keyboard type better? Most definitely. Can you prefer typing the T9 method? Of course. Is iOS' keyboard better than T9 style? Certainly. Easier, faster, more intuitive.

Now go further. Is the Android keyboard(s) better than iOS? Yes. Can the iOS keyboard swipe, or let you pick out suggestions from a bar, or let you change the size of the keyboard? No. Can you still prefer the iOS keyboard? Go ahead.

Is this concept so difficult to understand? Is your only argument that it someone clashes with this notion of preference (it doesn't)? Again, no one is saying iOS can't type nor you can't prefer iOS' way of typing.

PS. The steak/chicken example was a bad example. My bad.

*Sigh* I'm only using the typing example as a simple illustration. I'm completely aware that no one claims you can't type on an iPhone. But there are plenty of things people "claim" you can't do on an iPhone that are just plain un-true. And most of it stems from a preference in how you go about accomplishing whatever task that person claims "can't be done" on an iPhone.

Again - get away from the typing as a specific thing. It was only used as an example - not as the center of the discussion. Obviously there are plenty of different preferences out there over what is easier to type on. Not what I'm trying to say.

Clearly, my point is lost on you. So nevermind. Forget it. It's really not terribly difficult to understand, but explaining it over and over seems to not be working and is irritating.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

I have to say, I can type emails and texts faster on my iPhone than I ever could in my S3 and that had a bigger screen with wider spacing. I just find the autocorrect less fussy. I would put money on others saying the opposite but its what has worked for me

 

[jrswizzle]

I have to say, I can type emails and texts faster on my iPhone than I ever could in my S3 and that had a bigger screen with wider spacing. I just find the autocorrect less fussy. I would put money on others saying the opposite but its what has worked for me

I'm in the same boat - typing on my iPhone 5 feels more natural and I can type faster than on my HTC One. And I haven't found the auto-correct to be any more helpful on the HTC than on my iPhone. But I generally spell-check before sending stuff anyways.

But this was never about typing specifically lol - it was supposed to be a simple example and now its turned into me apparently claiming people think you can't type on an iOS device.....

 

[Stuntman06]

I've used Android phones, and there are just so many things about them that aren't as intuitive as my iPhone. It's not just comfort or familiarity, but those strange situations where you've got something you've never dealt with before, and it's just so much easier to figure out on the iPhone.

My experience has been the opposite. Whenever I use an iPhone and tried to do something that is uncommon, it always seems unintuitive to me. A classic example is deleting an item from the list. Doing a swipe to get the delete prompt is just unintuitive when you long tap for everything else. Someone I know who just uses the iPhone also had a similar experience when trying to delete an item.

My experience with the iPhone when doing uncommon tasks has always been frustrating. When moving contacts from another phone to an Android phone is easy when I had to do it. The last time it involved importing from the SIM which was easy. Doing the same for an iPhone was complex. The iPhone wouldn't read the address book file properly. I had to import the file into Gmail and then export it back out to a file format that the iPhone could read. Setting an MP3 or WAV file as a ring tone on an Android phone meant just copying the file onto the phone and selecting it in the settings. Doing that on the iPhone was an overly convoluted process that made no sense whatsoever.

 

[jrswizzle]

My experience has been the opposite. Whenever I use an iPhone and tried to do something that is uncommon, it always seems unintuitive to me. A classic example is deleting an item from the list. Doing a swipe to get the delete prompt is just unintuitive when you long tap for everything else. Someone I know who just uses the iPhone also had a similar experience when trying to delete an item.

My experience with the iPhone when doing uncommon tasks has always been frustrating. When moving contacts from another phone to an Android phone is easy when I had to do it. The last time it involved importing from the SIM which was easy. Doing the same for an iPhone was complex. The iPhone wouldn't read the address book file properly. I had to import the file into Gmail and then export it back out to a file format that the iPhone could read. Setting an MP3 or WAV file as a ring tone on an Android phone meant just copying the file onto the phone and selecting it in the settings. Doing that on the iPhone was an overly convoluted process that made no sense whatsoever.

I'd argue that both you and the poster you quoted could both be right. There are things that are more intuitive (generally speaking) on an iPhone and things that are more so on an Android phone - such as the things you mentioned.

They aren't mutually exclusive occurrences. I feel like that gets lost in all this bickering - BOTH OSes have strengths AND weaknesses. It seems iOS's shortcomings get pointed out more than Android's do.

 

[jsw]

Actually yes - if you go back, I edited my original post to add that I HATE having multiple apps for the same function. I find what works and stick with it. Doesn't mean I won't use other things from time to time or that I stick to this 100% (because unfortunately on both platforms its a necessity), but generally speaking I like to use what works best for me and get rid of the redundant nonsense.

Really? So you literally only have one app that can view, say, photos? You have only one app which could open a text file?

As for the rest of your post, I supposed it just comes down to use case. The instances where I've wanted to download a file from dropbox to save to my device are because I've found a wallpaper on my PC and wanted to use it on my HTC. So I throw it in dropbox (my go-to, across the board cloud saving app) and pull it out on my phone. Then I need to save it to make it my wallpaper. Whereas, my iPhone would present a simple "save to camera roll" option, my HTC gave me different apps with which to share my photo, none of which were a simple "save to photo app" and I had to jump on Google and finally figure out that the non-existent SD Card was where I needed to save it.

So (a) it's bad to be unintuitive when you're on Android (although, really, the SD card thing is pretty basic, and fundamentally just the "disk drive" concept people are used to) but OK to be unintuitive on OS X (really? I need to open iTunes to copy a file?), and (b) the fact that there are cloud options means that the way you copy files manually doesn't matter. Those are your points?

I am curious though, and wouldn't mind going through the exercise. Share some examples of a file save or share that you feel is terribly un-intuitive on an iOS device.

Downloading a linked file on a webpage to the device.

For instance - I bought a song on Google Play (or Amazon prime, or any other music store NOT iTunes). My process to transfer that song to my phone would be to open iTunes on my computer and add that song to my library (via the amazing traditional file system). It would then appear via iTunes match on my other devices.

Don't even get me started on Match - $25/year for a service Google provides for free.

Generally I'd do this right when I purchase the song/album - however, if I'm not at the computer where the file is saved? (in my case, my home iMac serves as the central hub for my media, so I tend to buy things either on my iPhone or on my iMac - for this example, I would've bought the song/album on my iMac). I use my iPad mini (which is always in my bag I take to work) and via LTE or a WiFi connection remote log-in to my home iMac via PocketCloud (a wonderful app available for Android and iOS) and do the above - iTunes > add to library. Again, it appears on all my devices.

I'm also a fan of PocketCloud. You might want to look into scripting the Add to Library bit, which would, especially when coupled with some other scripts, possibly eliminate the need to log in remotely, depending on the use case, or at least might allow you to do less work.

 

[jrswizzle]

Really? So you literally only have one app that can view, say, photos? You have only one app which could open a text file?

For the most part, yup. I like as few services to keep track of as possible. Though that's been expanded with the addition of my HTC One.

So (a) it's bad to be unintuitive when you're on Android (although, really, the SD card thing is pretty basic, and fundamentally just the "disk drive" concept people are used to) but OK to be unintuitive on OS X (really? I need to open iTunes to copy a file?), and (b) the fact that there are cloud options means that the way you copy files manually doesn't matter. Those are your points?

So my phone doesn't even have a slot for an SD Card - why not simply make that option "Save to phone"? How hard is that? When I see SD Card, I think "well no, I don't want to save it to some non-existent SD Card - no idea wht that is."

I never said it was intuitive to use iTunes to copy a file? Only that, for me and my once every few years' use of "drag and drop", utilizing a program that's already open and offers the same number of clicks and effort as it would to drag and drop to a folder, isn't really a huge deal. Obviously, like the SD Card thing, you need to somewhat know what you're doing.

Read my above response to another poster. I'm not claiming iOS is more intuitive for everything. The only point I'm making is using "drag-and-drop" as a criteria to dismiss an iPhone is a little much as there are numerous OTHER ways to do the same functions (some of them easier, some not).

You should've mentioned the ever-popular "ringtone issue". That's a perfect example of an annoying work around needed to replace simple drag and drop functions. Seeing as I use my iPhone for work, I don't use songs as ringtones, so no harm for me - but a great example for your point.

Downloading a linked file on a webpage to the device.

Ok? Can you link a file for me to try? Generally speaking (depending on the file), you click in the browser and given the file type a list of apps appears, much the same as Android.

But I'd like to try this out, so post something for me to test.

Don't even get me started on Match - $25/year for a service Google provides for free.

I paid $299 for my iPhone, $140/month for my cell phone bill, $25/YEAR is nothing. Sure Google offers it for free, but I'd pay Google too if I used their service primarily. Worth paying IMO and iTunes DOES have a larger library of songs.

I'm also a fan of PocketCloud. You might want to look into scripting the Add to Library bit, which would, especially when coupled with some other scripts, possibly eliminate the need to log in remotely, depending on the use case, or at least might allow you to do less work.

Definitely - I really need to look into automator and figure that out. There's lots of stuff I've read about and would love to set up, but I just don't find the time or think about it. Plus, with iTunes open, it already is set to automatically download new purchases made on other devices and the Play Music manager runs in the background. So anytime I purchase on my iPhone, it appears on my HTC after a few minutes.

 

[Technarchy]

I love dragging and dropping.

And any time I need to go wireless, DropBox syncs everything (I'm not into Google photos/Picasa or whatever).

Drag and dropping also gives me the flexibility to hone in on what I want and don't want very easily and very quickly. File manager allows me to create folders on my very device, too to organize. For example, running Emulators and ROMs on my phone is cake. Try "Syncing" stuff like that.

Also, I think it comes down to, once again!, choice. On Android, you have the choice to drag and drop or use cloud services. On iOS, you don't -- not without the cumbersome iTunes.

Dragging and dropping is something most computer-literate users fully understand, too.

Dragging and dropping is a floppy disk. No thanks.

The fact that I need to plug my S4 into my MBA to get photos moved over is already making me want to vomit. I'm working on solutions, and right now Google+ is acting as an interim solution, and it's working very well. All my photos get synced across all my devices, but it's not as intuitive as iCloud or as easy to manage.

Google drive is integrated into OSX nicely so thankfully all my word and excel docs sync automatically onto my Mac like iCloud.

As for music...I use Spotify and Google Play Music.

This whole dragging and dropping is tedious as all hell. It's cumbersome and time consuming. For those coming from the iPhone to android it's a massive downgrade, but there are solutions, 90% of which come directly from the Google ecosystem in my case.

I never needed to plug my iPhone into my Mac to get things done, and I'm not going to let android drag me down to that either. So far I haven't had to much with the S4, thankfully. Android has come a long way, but it appears some android users still have a 2010 Gingerbread mindset for managing data.

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I have to say, I can type emails and texts faster on my iPhone than I ever could in my S3 and that had a bigger screen with wider spacing. I just find the autocorrect less fussy. I would put money on others saying the opposite but its what has worked for me

The Samsung S4 keyboard is just okay. Though, I find the iOS keyboard to be more intuitive and faster to type on. It could be I am still getting acclimated though.

I'll see if that changes in a week or two. The Google Keyboard is pretty nice

 

[onthecouchagain]

It seems iOS's shortcomings get pointed out more than Android's do.

I wonder why.

Maybe cause there are more shortcomings?

Maybe cause the shortcomings are greater? Just to use typing as an example again: my complaints of Android keyboard(s) are nitpicky and very precise and specific because it can already do so much -- there are only a few remaining things I'd love for the keyboard(s) to do or do better. Whereas the iOS keyboard has plenty of room to improve and still plenty of options and features to add.

There are definitely advantages and disadvantages to both platforms. This is obvious, though. The difference is where and what the advantages/disadvantages are.

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Dragging and dropping is a floppy disk. No thanks.

The fact that I need to plug my S4 into my MBA to get photos moved over is already making me want to vomit. I'm working on solutions, and right now Google+ is acting as an interim solution, and it's working very well. All my photos get synced across all my devices, but it's not as intuitive as iCloud or as easy to manage.

Google drive is integrated into OSX nicely so thankfully all my word and excel docs sync automatically onto my Mac like iCloud.

As for music...I use Spotify and Google Play Music.

This whole dragging and dropping is tedious as all hell. It's cumbersome and time consuming. For those coming from the iPhone to android it's a massive downgrade, but there are solutions, 90% of which come directly from the Google ecosystem in my case.

I never needed to plug my iPhone into my Mac to get things done, and I'm not going to let android drag me down to that either. So far I haven't had to much with the S4, thankfully. Android has come a long way, but it appears some android users still have a 2010 Gingerbread mindset for managing data.

Isn't it nice having the option to do it however you like?

 

[jrswizzle]

I wonder why.

Maybe cause there are more shortcomings?

Maybe cause the shortcomings are greater? Just to use typing as an example again: my complaints of Android keyboard(s) are nitpicky and very precise and specific because it can already do so much -- there are only a few remaining things I'd love for the keyboard(s) to do or do better. Whereas the iOS keyboard has plenty of room to improve and still plenty of options and features to add.

There are definitely advantages and disadvantages to both platforms. This is obvious, though. The difference is where and what the advantages/disadvantages are.

I don't think so. Anytime I try to mention something about Android that isn't intuitive or that I feel iOS does better I get met with fanboy claims and that I have no idea what I'm talking about.

But hey, I expect it. I put my comments out there so people browsing will see them and hopefully come away with a more balanced view. I'm not doing it to convince any of you.

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Isn't it nice having the option to do it however you like?

This mentality cracks me up. Sure its nice to have options - but if I go to a steak house which only serves steaks cooked medium rare and I love my steaks medium rare, why would I care about going to a steak house that serves steaks in other ways?

Sure for some, have the option to have their steak cooked medium or well done is great, but since I like medium rare and I like the steak house that only cooks them that way (which generally would mean they get it closer to perfect medium rare), are the other steakhouse's options really a selling point?

Perhaps that's a roundabout analogy - lol if so, feel free to disregard.

 

[Technarchy]

Isn't it nice having the option to do it however you like?

Sure, but in this case the "option" you're referring to is a detriment to the smartphone experience, especially for those looking to transition from iOS to Android. What you're offering as a solution is a flat out downgrade compared to the way iOS and OSX sync and manage data across several devices.

And now Apple is about to launch Airdrop for iOS which will make the iPhone completely cord free for sharing and moving data.

Dragging and dropping is no better than being tethered to iTunes. I refuse to do either because in this age there are better ways on android and iOS.

 

[onthecouchagain]

I don't think so. Anytime I try to mention something about Android that isn't intuitive or that I feel iOS does better I get met with fanboy claims and that I have no idea what I'm talking about.

But hey, I expect it. I put my comments out there so people browsing will see them and hopefully come away with a more balanced view. I'm not doing it to convince any of you.

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This mentality cracks me up. Sure its nice to have options - but if I go to a steak house which only serves steaks cooked medium rare and I love my steaks medium rare, why would I care about going to a steak house that serves steaks in other ways?

Sure for some, have the option to have their steak cooked medium or well done is great, but since I like medium rare and I like the steak house that only cooks them that way (which generally would mean they get it closer to perfect medium rare), are the other steakhouse's options really a selling point?

Perhaps that's a roundabout analogy - lol if so, feel free to disregard.

Seriously? They'd go out of business really fast.

How is having a steakhouse that does both medium rare and well and however else steak can be done not better? You'd be happy and others would be happy. Why does objectivity scare you so much.

 

[jrswizzle]

Seriously? They'd go out of business really fast.

How is having a steakhouse that does both medium rare and well and however else steak can be done not better? You'd be happy and others would be happy. Why does objectivity scare you so much.

It doesn't?

And there are plenty of high-end steak houses that will only serve a certain cut one way. Maybe not the whole steakhouse, but that particular cut (which probably is a better analogy).

Anyways.....have a wonderful afternoon.

 

[onthecouchagain]

Sure, but in this case the "option" you're referring to is a detriment to the smartphone experience, especially for those looking to transition from iOS to Android. What you're offering as a solution is a flat out downgrade compared to the way iOS and OSX sync and manage data across several devices.

And now Apple is about to launch Airdrop for iOS which will make the iPhone completely cord free for sharing and moving data.

Dragging and dropping is no better than being tethered to iTunes. I refuse to do either because in this age there are better ways on android and iOS.

Android has no cloud base services? I don't see your concern. Didn't you just say Google services is allowing you to sync and has solved "90%" of your problems?

No one is saying you need to use drag and drop or that drag and drop are the only ways. That's the whole point -- choices.

Or am I misunderstanding you?

 

[jamojamo]

Here we go again, and again, and again and again......

 

[Technarchy]

Android has no cloud base services? I don't see your concern. Didn't you just say Google services is allowing you to sync and has solved "90%" of your problems?

No one is saying you need to use drag and drop or that drag and drop are the only ways. That's the whole point -- choices.

Or am I misunderstanding you?

Drag and drop is a ****** choice. Succinct enough?

And getting anywhere near iOS and OSX syncing and data management takes more thought and planning with Android, which will lead to many iOS to android converts resorting to dragging and dropping like they are using Windows 95.

That's a terrible ass end solution, passing itself off as choice.

I got an S4, and it should not be treated like this...

 

[onthecouchagain]

Drag and drop is a ****** choice. Succinct enough?

And getting anywhere near iOS and OSX syncing and data management takes more thought and planning with Android, which will lead to many iOS to android converts resorting to dragging and dropping like they are using Windows 95.

That's a terrible ass end solution, passing itself off as choice.

I got an S4, and it should not be treated like this...

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I'm glad you agree it's a choice. It's a choice that means little to you. Fair enough. That's the beauty of choice.

 

[jsw]

Drag and drop is a ****** choice. Succinct enough?

But it is sometimes the only choice. And at those times, the Android model is better. Period.

And getting anywhere near iOS and OSX syncing and data management takes more thought and planning with Android, which will lead to many iOS to android converts resorting to dragging and dropping like they are using Windows 95.

Yes, because of course there are no backup solutions for Android aside from Drag and Drop.

You know what's better about the Android solutions? You can actually see your files and get to them directly, unlike iOS, which uses a horrific file scheme (thank you, Time Machine) to back things up in ways that require 3rd party apps (iScavenge, etc) to get to.

 

[Technarchy]

Yes, because of course there are no backup solutions for Android aside from Drag and Drop.

Perfect example of why you should read the whole thread prior to posting.