I think you're referring to the 2015 non-dGPU model? I'm referring to the 2010 dual core 15".
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The original article definitely stated that those 3 were going to be shown at the November 10th event - prior to the edited version.
But you’re right, you do you and I’ll do me. ?
Do you have the exact wording that he used in the original article? I can't seem to find it anywhere.
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No, I wish I did but I recall the phrasing was to the point. I don’t believe even the staff at MacRumors or 9to5Mac extrapolated something that wasn’t there. And hey, again, mistakes happen - that’s not the issue - in my books.
Even Prosser, whose track record is a little bit off, owns up to it. At least from what I’ve seen anyway. Quite a few people don’t like him or say he throws a handful of darts at a dart board in hopes something sticks. Maybe that’s true, maybe that’s not. The point is he acknowledges his information was completely or even a little bit off.
I think that if I took my vehicle to a mechanic and it came back with some sort of mechanic error, I’d be more inclined to understand if they owned up to it instead of skirting around it. This is his business.
Example isn’t the best but I hope the general point can be taken.
I looked for it too. I'm almost certain that it wasn't ambiguous and stated that all three products would be unveiled on the 10th, but I can't find the original text anywhere. Wayback Machine has that URL before the full story was develoepd and after the first edit was made, but not in between.
I see what you're saying. He does have a very high track record though coming in at #5 with an 88.4% accuracy rating on Apple Track with 379 rumors reported so far. Thats pretty decent considering the amount of rumors he's reported. He beats out Prosser and Kuo.
I think the best argument for them shifting all three to AS is pretty straightforward.
They have to come out with chips that are faster than the 2.4ghz 8 core in the current 16", otherwise this transition looks like it's all about them and not us.They simply cannot start with the low end performance wise models and beat them soundly leaving the 16" to be only about people who need intel for compatibility etc.
Look at the relative (because we can all argue reasons why Geekbench is not accurate etc. until the cows come home) scores single and multi, between the latest iPad Pro, 13" MBP and 16".
iPad Pro 1585 4647
13" MBP 1240 4522
16" MBP 1096 6870
The 8 core will be soundly beaten by any step up to AS the 13" gets. Intels 8 core chips are already badly underperforming for what they should be capable of, and I can't imagine that Apple isn't capable of adding a modest 25% increase in performance to the 13", which would IMO put it too close to the multi core score of the 16". I think they're going to attempt to make a statement, and that means changing all three laptops to Apple Silicon.
They have to come out with chips that are faster than the 2.4ghz 8 core in the current 16", otherwise this transition looks like it's all about them and not us.They simply cannot start with the low end performance wise models and beat them soundly leaving the 16" to be only about people who need intel for compatibility etc.
Look at the relative (because we can all argue reasons why Geekbench is not accurate etc. until the cows come home) scores single and multi, between the latest iPad Pro, 13" MBP and 16".
iPad Pro 1585 4647
13" MBP 1240 4522
16" MBP 1096 6870
The 8 core will be soundly beaten by any step up to AS the 13" gets. Intels 8 core chips are already badly underperforming for what they should be capable of, and I can't imagine that Apple isn't capable of adding a modest 25% increase in performance to the 13", which would IMO put it too close to the multi core score of the 16". I think they're going to attempt to make a statement, and that means changing all three laptops to Apple Silicon.
Nice, thoughtful post. I think (and hope) that they're going to wow us on Tuesday with 13" Airs/Pros that ship this month and 16" Pros that ship next month. "Today we're transitioning our entire lineup of portable Macs to Apple Silicon."
Being a greedy bastard and going for the 16-15", I hope they have them ready to ship on day one. Going by the iPhone 12 max etc. shipping, I would say you're right.
Yeah, I'm also basing it off of Gurman's claim that the 16" is currently ramping production but not quite as far along as the 13s. I can't see them not announcing if they're already ramping production - what are they going to do, announce them next month? I really want a 16" too, but honestly would probably settle for the 13" if that's all they announced. I'm greedy, but even more than that I'm impatient.
The only thing I can think of is that the 13" models are available immediately but the 16" will be available in late December (or something like that - which basically means December 31st).Yeah, I'm also basing it off of Gurman's claim that the 16" is currently ramping production but not quite as far along as the 13s. I can't see them not announcing if they're already ramping production - what are they going to do, announce them next month? I really want a 16" too, but honestly would probably settle for the 13" if that's all they announced. I'm greedy, but even more than that I'm impatient.
Yup. I’m thinking the 13s are fairy imminent (within the next couple of weeks) but the 16s are probably shipping sometime in December. At least that’s what I’m hoping for. Gosh I hate not knowing.
Well there's the election... could be worse than some GAS right?
I'm certain we will be surprised whatever the outcome, and it's 6 days away now so not so bad.
Anyone else find the intel refreshes funny though. Apple's chip that goes into the 13" Pro will supersede the 10th gen intel chip in the higher end models and very likely the 16" Pro as well in cpu performance. I think that will look funny seeing a ~$1299 and $1499 13" model outperforming the higher end lineup of MacBooks. For those who wanna say "but" I remind you the A12Z in the iPad Pro currently outperforms every 13" MacBook Pro configuration using a two year old architecture on 7nm process. Suddenly the whole use of "one more thing" in the invitation makes a lot of sense.
It's quite possible the 16 gets a mention and a later release date. But they'll show off the two 13s.
If that's the case then we will get the 13 by the end of November and the 16 by mid January. Hopefully it's this year, but thinking back to the 2012 iMac redesign it was showcased at a late Oct or Nov event and not release until late December/early Jan.
If that's the case then we will get the 13 by the end of November and the 16 by mid January. Hopefully it's this year, but thinking back to the 2012 iMac redesign it was showcased at a late Oct or Nov event and not release until late December/early Jan.
I'm hoping and thinking Apple will want a speedier refresh than that. Definitely think anything they announce will be deliverable by December 25th. So for fun my guess is 13" Air and MBP available almost right away, and 16" early December. Cook is a supply chain guy, he should flex a bit here.
There is no GPU to bump or a meaningful CPU as Tiger Lake isn’t even announced yet and probably months away. AMD announced new GPUs but those are higher end desktop and will have no stock for months. Lower end SKUs and laptops chips are nowhere to be seen yet.
The 16” Apple Silicon is in production according to Gurman. IMO there will never be another Intel MacBook again. Maybe a new Intel iMac Pro or Mac Pro.
One thing reading people’s comments you quickly realize that most don’t really get the nuance of different CPUs for different machines. The only Tiger Lake chips currently available (since early September) are the low power versions. Tiger Lake H at 45 W TDP appropriate for the 16” MBP aren’t scheduled to be released until quarter 1 next year.
You see the same thing when people complain that Apple doesn’t update a Mac when they see a report that Intel released a new CPU without asking is that CPU appropriate for any Mac that Apple sells. Usually recently because the CPUs don’t have an appropriate integrated GPU.
The 2020 16" MacBook Pro showing up on Boot Camp notes was all I needed to see to realize that Gurman was going to be wrong about an Apple Silicon 16" MacBook Pro being what we see tomorrow.
I would imagine tomorrow will go something like this:
"Introducing the new 16" MacBook Pro, now with 10th Gen i7 and i9 and AMD Radeon Pro 6000M series GPUs"
Followed shortly thereafter by "that was our last Intel Mac. Introducing our first Apple Silicon MacBook Air and 13" MacBook Pro; the latter is just as fast as the 16" MacBook Pro we just announced minutes ago!" and
"Going forward all of our releases will be Apple Silicon", paraphrased, of course.
2-port 13" MacBook Pro discontinued; 2020 Intel Air also discontinued; ambiguous as to whether 13" 4-port is kept in the lineup for a short period as was done at the beginning of the PowerPC-to-Intel transition with those first Macs.
I would imagine tomorrow will go something like this:
"Introducing the new 16" MacBook Pro, now with 10th Gen i7 and i9 and AMD Radeon Pro 6000M series GPUs"
Followed shortly thereafter by "that was our last Intel Mac. Introducing our first Apple Silicon MacBook Air and 13" MacBook Pro; the latter is just as fast as the 16" MacBook Pro we just announced minutes ago!" and
"Going forward all of our releases will be Apple Silicon", paraphrased, of course.
2-port 13" MacBook Pro discontinued; 2020 Intel Air also discontinued; ambiguous as to whether 13" 4-port is kept in the lineup for a short period as was done at the beginning of the PowerPC-to-Intel transition with those first Macs.
Agreed. People also pay way too much attention to generation chips instead of what those generations actually mean. If they updated the 9th gen MacBook Pro to 10th gen there would be virtually no difference. They’re both 14nm and Skylake architecture with the same iGPU. They also did a mid-cycle BTO GPU option with a completely new Apple exclusive 5600 SKU. If you want an Intel MacBook Pro 16” then buy one now. It’s only a year old and almost certainly will not get upgraded ever. If you don’t want Intel then wait for Apple Silicon.
The reference to the 2020 MacBook Pro was probably an error. I don’t know why you would think that invalidates Gurman’s reporting of an entirely different model.
Again, there are no Radeon 6000 series GPUs. The only SKUs they’ve announced are three desktop models based off of a giant 500mm/2 die that use 300W of power. There are two dies that are going to be smaller and lower end but they haven’t even been announced yet for desktop much less mobile variants. It’s just not happening.
If they did update it with Comet Lake 10th gen it would be a pathetic useless update and they wouldn’t even bother showing it at the event. It would be embarrassing next to the Apple Silicon models.
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