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TwoBytes

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That's a good point above - now Apple have iAd they are in the perfect place to launch apple search.....
 

ScottishDuck

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Apple does good desktop search.

They managed to ship Spotlight while Microsoft was still talking about Longhorn search, and for the most part Spotlight is a very efficient technology (although I personally think the “Show All” results in 10.5/10.6 is worthless and counterintuitive compared to 10.4).

It would be interesting to see them take that to the next level. If I owned spotlight.com, I would be prepping some domain transfer proposals.

What search Apple doesn’t do well is voice. Voice Control on the 3GS is painfully inadequate compared to Google’s Android. One of the smartest thing Google did was offer a free 411 service (and get it programmed in to handsets by land line phone makers). The amount of data they’ve collected with their 411 service is powering Android voice search.

Desktop search is incredibly easy to implement. Online search is incredibly complex.
 

ChazUK

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If they can pull something special off, I say do it!
 

Arran

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I wonder if they could set themselves up as a search aggregator?

Isn't that how Google broke into the news business? Not by hiring journalists and staffing up a newsroom, but by simply aggregating everyone else's hard work (content) in a useful way.
 

maflynn

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If they can pull something special off, I say do it!

The problem is not having mac fans using an apple developed search engine, but rather the general public.

Its far too ingrained into many people's computer habit to just "google" something. I don't see any company breaking into the search engine business at all.

Beside, apple is a hardware company that uses software to drive the hardware sales. A search engine won't really affect (increase or decrease) hardware sales.

Apple has been excellent at spotting trends and investing in burgeoning sectors. They've stayed away from mature markets because for the investment required vs. the potential return on that investment. Entering into the search market will require a serious amount of money and the potential for return is small.
 

*LTD*

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kernkraft

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Jun 25, 2009
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Apple will also refuse to index a site if there's Flash embedded anywhere on it.

Does MobileMe still have some Flash parts or have they finally replaced it all?

It was kind of embarrassing that whilst Jobs was doing his personal crusade against Adobe, some of Apple's own sites still featured Flash. I think until a few weeks ago, the 'Find my iPhone' function was Flash.

It would be tragic if Apple's own iSearch wouldn't feature MobileMe.

But iDon'tCare and MeCaresNot.
 

Arran

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...They've stayed away from mature markets because for the investment required vs. the potential return on that investment. Entering into the search market will require a serious amount of money and the potential for return is small.

Could've said the same about the entire cellphone industry pre-iPhone.
 

kernkraft

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Jun 25, 2009
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Apple is not Microsoft. Not even close, LOL.

I agree. One of them has a popular search engine, the other doesn't. Also, 10% is not even close to 80%+, when it comes to computer OS. Similar contrast applies to web browsers.

From your usual 'LOL', I assumed that you meant to be sarcastic. I haven't been using MS products for a long time now (apart from Bing and Office for Mac), but it is a bit alarming to ignore or downplay the overwhelming majority of people. I don't think that MS is as bad as you believe it is.

I also think that at one point, you might lose your unnatural and unfounded glorification of Apple Inc; and as you don't base your sentiment on solid logical ground but on some emotional ones, you might even turn into a dedicated Apple-hater.

I can certainly imagine you as worshipping any other brand/company/person/whatever. What defines you is not the brand, but the way you approach it.


They have close to $40 billion and the *best* talent pool in all of tech at their disposal.

I'm not sure, whether they have the best talent pool, but it was certainly enough to enlarge an iPod Touch with no difficulties. Although, I don't think they used much of that $40 billion to do that.
 

roadbloc

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Aug 24, 2009
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From your usual 'LOL', I assumed that you meant to be sarcastic. I haven't been using MS products for a long time now (apart from Bing and Office for Mac), but it is a bit alarming to ignore or downplay the overwhelming majority of people. I don't think that MS is as bad as you believe it is.

I also think that at one point, you might lose your unnatural and unfounded glorification of Apple Inc; and as you don't base your sentiment on solid logical ground but on some emotional ones, you might even turn into a dedicated Apple-hater.

I can certainly imagine you as worshipping any other brand/company/person/whatever. What defines you is not the brand, but the way you approach it.

+1. I cannot stand narrow minded fanboys. If Microsoft are fools, then how the hell have they got to where they are now?

I like Bing tbh.
 

KnightWRX

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Jan 28, 2009
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MS came out with bing which has proven to be a slice of the search engine pie; granted small but better than nada. I know it's build on msn, etc but still..

But still what ? Bing is essentially a 13 year old search engine with a new interface. You think MS rewrote MSN search aka Live Search ? You think they flushed their database and restarted an entire crawl of the web ?

Bing kept the slice of the pie it had when it was called something else. Microsoft renames it every few years in the vain hope that people forget whatever it was they tried to pass off as search before it. This last time they copied Google's 10 year old interface. Talk about a day late and a dollar short.

The problem is not having mac fans using an apple developed search engine, but rather the general public.

Exactly. Just look at the rabid success Safari is having outside of the Mac fan circle...

I think the Windows installer includes its own crickets.

Sometimes, it takes more than a fruit brand to push a product unto people.

+1. I cannot stand narrow minded fanboys. If Microsoft are fools, then how the hell have they got to where they are now?

3 letters. IBM.

The rest came through lies, cheats and anti-trust behavior.
 

roadbloc

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Aug 24, 2009
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3 letters. IBM.

The rest came through lies, cheats and anti-trust behavior.

Oh, I was under the impression it was because they have managed to sell their products more. :rolleyes:

No matter how they got their products to sell, which probably will have been through lies, cheats and anti-trust behaviour, that does not disprove my point. How does making money make them foolish. I'd say it makes them even more clever, that they managed to do it 'dishonestly' as such.

And let's be honest here, Apple aren't exactly the lie, cheat and anti-trust free company.
 

bobbytomorow

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im not really in the tech loop but didn't MS try and fail to acquire Yahoo like a year ago? as far as im aware yahoo is still firmly in second amongst search engines.

but isnt yahoo worth more than apple has to spend?
 

maflynn

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May 3, 2009
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im not really in the tech loop but didn't MS try and fail to acquire Yahoo like a year ago? as far as im aware yahoo is still firmly in second amongst search engines.

but isnt yahoo worth more than apple has to spend?

MS wanted to buy yahoo, but the then CEO (and founder) rebuffed the offer, saying it was too low. Long story short, the bottom fell out of yahoo's financials, the CEO resigned and MS signed a partnership (not wanting to buy them now).

So yahoo is using Microsoft's search technology and yes they're still #2.
 

maflynn

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May 3, 2009
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Universal Licensing
Ignorance
Inertia

You forgot
DOS,
Windows
Visual Basic
Excel
Word
Visual C
.net
MS Mouse
etc

That very incomplete list is just a few of Ms products that were we wildly popular and helped shape the computer industry we see today.

These are not products by fools, but very bright developers.
 

yg17

macrumors Pentium
Aug 1, 2004
15,028
3,003
St. Louis, MO
That very incomplete list is just a few of Ms products that were we wildly popular and helped shape the computer industry we see today.

These are not products by fools, but very bright developers.

+1

You have to be ignorant, or a huge fanboy (is there any difference between the two?) to deny the great contributions Microsoft has made to the industry.

And so what if they bought up smaller companies, and so what if Google's done the same? Some of these tiny start ups need the financial backing and name recognition of a big company to become known in the mainstream.
 

*LTD*

macrumors G4
Feb 5, 2009
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You forgot
DOS,
Windows
Visual Basic
Excel
Word
Visual C
.net
MS Mouse
etc

That very incomplete list is just a few of Ms products that were we wildly popular and helped shape the computer industry we see today.

rofl.GIF


Please tell me you're kidding. Ok, let's see the REAL list.
 

Rodimus Prime

macrumors G4
Oct 9, 2006
10,136
4
You forgot
DOS,
Windows
Visual Basic
Excel
Word
Visual C
.net
MS Mouse
etc

That very incomplete list is just a few of Ms products that were we wildly popular and helped shape the computer industry we see today.

These are not products by fools, but very bright developers.

You are agruing with LTD. Logical and facts mean nothing to him.
Remember *LTD* mind
Apple Label = best product ever
Partnered with Apple = good
No Apple Label = It sucks and will fail.

Plan and simple. Logic means nothing to him. RDF is how die hard apple fans see the world.
 

yg17

macrumors Pentium
Aug 1, 2004
15,028
3,003
St. Louis, MO
You are agruing with LTD. Logical and facts mean nothing to him.
Remember *LTD* mind
Apple Label = best product ever
Partnered with Apple = good
No Apple Label = It sucks and will fail.

Plan and simple. Logic means nothing to him. RDF is how die hard apple fans see the world.

It's best to ignore him, there's no reasoning with someone like him.
 

maflynn

macrumors Haswell
May 3, 2009
73,682
43,740
You are agruing with LTD. Logical and facts mean nothing to him.
Remember *LTD* mind
Apple Label = best product ever
Partnered with Apple = good
No Apple Label = It sucks and will fail.

Plan and simple. Logic means nothing to him. RDF is how die hard apple fans see the world.

It's best to ignore him, there's no reasoning with someone like him.
You're right, LTD bows down at the alter of Apple and anyone that is not Apple is evil or is incompetent.
 

yg17

macrumors Pentium
Aug 1, 2004
15,028
3,003
St. Louis, MO
You're getting warmer on the last point.

Point proven. You think anything besides Apple sucks, and discussing the merits of any competing product with you is impossible. So we really shouldn't waste our time, rather, we should let you stay in your little fantasy world where Steve Jobs is dictator and Apple is the only manufacturer in existence. Because there's really no point in trying to convince you of anything else.
 
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