Should Apple head into the search engine game? (google.com competitor)

[maflynn]

Point proven. You think anything besides Apple sucks

It's the way things usually turn out these days. Don't blame me, blame Apple.

Actually you're wrong. Just look at the android platform, its already leap frogging the iPhone OS.

Look at google tv, its well superior to apple tv

Look at the free google cloud offerings, it blows the doors off of the pathetic mobileme that apple charges.

I like apple products, but other companies do in fact produce better products then apple from time to time. Google, microsoft, adobe all have products that are better then apple.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

It's best to ignore him, there's no reasoning with someone like him.

I pretty much do. I read his post either for a laugh at how clueless Apple Fanboys are.

I consider Apple fanboys opinions to be worth less than dirt because thier onions are what ever Apple's Opion is which is really what SJ's opinion is. SJ is worth something because it is at least his own opinion.

Apple fanboy Opinions are not worth anything because they are mindless zombies

 

[Rodimus Prime]

Exactly. Just look at the rabid success Safari is having outside of the Mac fan circle...

I think the Windows installer includes its own crickets.

Sometimes, it takes more than a fruit brand to push a product unto people.

Oh so much truth in that statement. I remember before Safari was released for windows the argument that its market share was at less than 5% was because it was limited to Apple only and they argue it was a great browser and everyone would love it.

It is released for windows and now nearly 3 years later it is still at the same point in market share at less than 5%. Hell the stats on it I have read it has hovered near the exact same percentage going up or down less than 0.5%.

Now what is the argument for it. I installed it on my windows computer. Used it for a little bit and dumped it. I do not use it on my Mac. My brother and sister who only computer is their macbooks do not use it at all.

This tells me a lot of things that average users think it pretty much sucks. Chrome has started breaking out of its geek only category and going main stream. I hear of more and more average people using it and really liking it. Safari is still limited to apple fans only.

 

[belvdr]

It's the way things usually turn out these days. Don't blame me, blame Apple.

No, it is fair to blame you because it is not Apple who keeps pushing the nonsense on this board.

 

[Flynnstone]

Apple use google for the iphone and nodoubt pay loads for licensing etc. .

I think its the other way around.
I think Google pays $200 million to google in the task bar of Safari.

 

[rhett7660]

Actually you're wrong. Just look at the android platform, its already leap frogging the iPhone OS.

Look at google tv, its well superior to apple tv

Look at the free google cloud offerings, it blows the doors off of the pathetic mobileme that apple charges.

I like apple products, but other companies do in fact produce better products then apple from time to time. Google, microsoft, adobe all have products that are better then apple.

1. Doesn't mean it is necessarily better, does it? Just because it might be on more products, more carriers doesn't make it better.

2. Google TV and apple TV are two completely different animals. Google TV isn't even out yet is it, if it is, isn't it still in alpha form or very early stagies of beta? Which makes it a non comparison at this point.

3. Free google cloud offerings, they haven't opened it up completely yet. I do agree in the future they will be better.


On whether they should enter the search engine market, I hope not, they have what seems like too much on their plate as it is now. Unless they hire a few more engineers for all of the products they are making now. Heck, how many times are we reading, "x" amount of engineers are being loaned over to product "A" to help out and finish it.

 

[MattSepeta]

Nope. No Way.

No way apple would delve into search engines. Google is far too dominant.

And I have said it once, I will say it again.... The wider a company spread itself, the thinner it becomes, and the crappier the products will become. If I had it my way, I would have apple cut the iPhone, iPad, iPod touch. No more toys. More computers!

Now, back to search engines... If anyone has not heard or checked out wolfram alpha, check it out!!

 

[roadbloc]

It's the way things usually turn out these days. Don't blame me, blame Apple.

I'm now speechless.

 

[maflynn]

2. Google TV and apple TV are two completely different animals. Google TV isn't even out yet is it, if it is, isn't it still in alpha form or very early stagies of beta? Which makes it a non comparison at this point.

Apple has let its apple tv whither on the vine. Almost anything is going to be better then what apple has done.

As for not comparing a released product with an unreleased one. Just head on over to the iPhone forum. Tons of threads about the unreleased iPhone. The same thing can be said about any apple announced (but non available) product, so talking and comparing google tv to apple tv is fair game

Mike

 

[rhett7660]

Apple has let its apple tv whither on the vine. Almost anything is going to be better then what apple has done.

As for not comparing a released product with an unreleased one. Just head on over to the iPhone forum. Tons of threads about the unreleased iPhone. The same thing can be said about any apple announced (but non available) product, so talking and comparing google tv to apple tv is fair game

Mike

Fair enough, however they are still two completely different animals. Not even the same thing. You are comparing two devices that are playing in two different arenas.

And "Almost" is a the key word.

 

[KnightWRX]

You forgot
DOS,
Windows
Visual Basic
Excel
Word
Visual C
.net
MS Mouse
etc

That very incomplete list is just a few of Ms products that were we wildly popular and helped shape the computer industry we see today.

These are not products by fools, but very bright developers.

DOS was just awful. It held back the PC in more ways than one. Windows was the same (not that Mac OS classic was any better). In a time where OSes were Multi-task/Multi-user with security features, MS and Apple both shipped single-task/single-user systems to the masses.

The offering was lame and made the transition to more robust OSes long and painful for the general public. MS got lucky in that IBM provided them with the foundations for a monopoly on the PC platform and couldn't manage to take it away after basically helping them make Windows a reality.

Office became popular through anti-trust tactics and vendor lock-in. Hardly a measure of success. They basically made it impossible for others to implement import filters and used the fact that they had early access to Windows to ship early before competitors could get in. Since the world was DOS/Windows based thanks to their earlier IBM granted monopoly, they succeeded.

.NET is not such a big success, neither is Visual C or Visual Basic. They compete in their markets at the same level as other tools. We can argue Borland Builder was one of the biggest selling C/C++ package on Windows for quite a while, J2SE/J2EE always proved more popular than .NET and Delphi sold as much and was used as much as visual basic.

Seriously, Microsoft didn't get where it got by shipping good products. The products never mattered really. Monopolies, anti-trust, lies, cheats. It got them in hot water more than once.

You can't say "wildly popular means good!" with them. Windows is "wildly popular" yet it has been one of the worse OSes around since it was just a graphical shell installed on top of DOS (which it was until the year 2000). Internet Explorer, one of the browsers that once had 80%+ market share, wildly popular, worse browser ever. Held back web innovation for years. Who knows where the Web would be today without it ? SVG, MNG/PNG support, CSS support, XHTML. Heck, maybe work on HTML5 would've started earlier if it wasn't for Microsoft's attempts at making the Web their own through vendor lock-in.

The "Apple does no wrong" crowd may be biased, but people thinking Microsoft got where they got through good products are also rewriting history.

 

[KeriJane]

DOS was just awful. It held back the PC in more ways than one. Windows was the same (not that Mac OS classic was any better). In a time where OSes were Multi-task/Multi-user with security features, MS and Apple both shipped single-task/single-user systems to the masses.


Office became popular through anti-trust tactics and vendor lock-in. Hardly a measure of success. They basically made it impossible for others to implement import filters and used the fact that they had early access to Windows to ship early before competitors could get in. Since the world was DOS/Windows based thanks to their earlier IBM granted monopoly, they succeeded.

Seriously, Microsoft didn't get where it got by shipping good products. The products never mattered really. Monopolies, anti-trust, lies, cheats. It got them in hot water more than once.

You can't say "wildly popular means good!" with them. Windows is "wildly popular" yet it has been one of the worse OSes around since it was just a graphical shell installed on top of DOS (which it was until the year 2000). Internet Explorer, one of the browsers that once had 80%+ market share, wildly popular, worse browser ever. Held back web innovation for years. Who knows where the Web would be today without it ? SVG, MNG/PNG support, CSS support, XHTML. Heck, maybe work on HTML5 would've started earlier if it wasn't for Microsoft's attempts at making the Web their own through vendor lock-in.

The "Apple does no wrong" crowd may be biased, but people thinking Microsoft got where they got through good products are also rewriting history.

+1

There are people and there are companies that innovate and bring good things to life. Steve Jobs and Apple are in this group.

There are other people and companies that manipulate, lie, cheat and steal their way to the top. Mr. Gates and Microsoft belong in this group more than the first.

Very often, the manipulative group will steal the successes of the innovative group. Much of the time they get away with it.

This is nothing new, having been around at least as long as recorded history.

This time, it looks as if the innovative group might, possibly succeed in the end.

If Apple decides to do search, I for one can't wait to try it. It'll probably do to Google what the ipad is doing to Netbooks.

Yay!

Go Steve Go,
Keri