So is Apple's entire business. Go to privacy.apple.com and download your file. Google allows me to shut it off.
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Should I leave apple ecosystem in light of CSAM?
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That’s a great link, thank you.
just investigating now, quite a lot of it looks like the data I store on iCloud, I’m interested in seeing what else they have.
First of all, the person whom I was replying to said "mass STATE surveillance". Secondly, I don't consider this ANY kind of "surveillance" because that implies Apple is somehow watching your every move. The reality is, unless you attempt to upload illegal images to iCloud, then Apple isn't seeing anything. That's the whole point of on-device scanning - Apple can't access that info.
People are (mis)using words such as "surveillance" and "spying" with regard to this topic for one reason only: to elicit emotional thinking instead of rational thinking.
Or, they are using it correctly. Emotion doesn't enter into it.
As I just clearly explained, they're NOT using it correctly. Surveillance implies a human is watching your every move, and that's NOT what's happening with on-device scanning. Apple is completely blind to everything unless 30+ illegal images are uploaded.
But that reality is apparently not sensational enough for some people's agendas, so instead they twist the truth using emotionally charged words.
Whatever google allows one to shut off is not deleted from their servers because one unchecked a check box.
Two things, one prove that. And it isn't just a checkbox on android. Android is open. I can check.
I don't use Google on my Pixel 5a the way you think. Location shut off. DuckDuckGo instead of Google. Firefox, etc.,
It is all out there for me to check. If I want to get nuts and go with Graphene, I can. How do I check these things in iOS?
Or prove that it doesn't.
Sure if one doesn't use google search, gmail or any other google services. And if one uses their phone as a flip-phone and stays off the internet. Other than that. if you connect to any cloud service, these services are probably scanning for content. So I'm not sure what the point of all of this is, if you wind up with a basic flip-phone after all is said and done. But that's just me.
If you have inappropriate pictures of kids and don't want to get caught then you should leave for sure.
If that is the game we're playing....okay it's my opinion. Now prove that it doesn't. You won't and you can't.
So common sense says all interactions with google are logged somewhere, even if you chose not have them influence your future search results. Even if you aren't logged in, my guess is the ip of request is logged and kept somewhere based on the retention and privacy policies.
All you are doing, unless you rid yourself of the internet is substituting one form of CSAM scanning for another.
Yes, but a lot tend to ignore that.
The most important thing to recognize is that various companies have been watching everything you do for a long time on the internet to what they possibly can monitor. A typical enterprise intranet would be monitoring all traffic, ports, that your MAC/PC uses, using a http proxy server to stay on top of intrusions, malware, phishing attacks, and other things you're not suppose to have occurring.
Everything you do via your internet service provider is similar. This is mostly from a network guardian aspect not that they are studying you.
But when you visit web sites these days, the sheer scale of trackers, data-miners, is staggering compared to a few years ago. Everyone out there would prefer to make money off of what you do on the internet, particularly social media sites.
Scrolled through the thread. So basically since supposedly everybody else does it, it’s also OK for Apple (the top privacy company) to do it?
Yes. People who have this stuff shouldn’t have freedom and privacy.
CSAM concerns to me seem overblown. As I understand it, Apple will be scanning for known images or faces of children on iCloud. If something is flagged, then a human will review the image and it escalates from there. For me, I would imagine 99.9% of Apple consumers do not have sexual images of children so things will not be flagged/escalated. If an accidental flag happens, a human will review and resolve. Can this technology be exploited? Maybe. Are we fools for expecting 100% privacy in the year 2021? Probably.
This individual appears to like that term ... "emotion".
If that were true.
Google scans shared files on the cloud for CSAM
Microsoft scans shared files on the cloud for CSAM
Dropbox scans shared files on the cloud for CSAM
Amazon scans shared files on the cloud for CSAM
Apple is proposing to scan for CSAM directly on your iPhone, iPad, and Mac.
I dont have a percentage, but I'm guessing a WHOLE lot more than 0.1% of Apple consumers have CSAM collections. It is a HUGE problem world-wide, and there's nothing special about Apple consumers that would make them any different from the rest of the population. I can promise you Apple isn't going through all this blood, sweat, and tears for a 0.1% problem.
It’s either way a slippery slope. Especially for a company who advertises itself with all those privacy slogans. CSAM is just the first step. Playing the safety of children card first. After that they’ll just start adding more “features”.
Would you prefer I make up a word? That's what it is, so that's what I call it. It's an informal logical fallacy called "appeal to emotion" (argumentum ad passiones) that is rampant in our society in many different arenas. People fall for it all the time, which is why you and others use it - far easier than actually using reason and evidence.
As I said, it’s a slippery slope. You can change what is illegal in a daily basis.
Apple's way is completely blind until it gets to the server, so no, your phone has no idea what if the scans are a match or not until they're processed on Apple's servers.