Should we sue Apple for not allowing downgrading iOS devices?

[rui no onna]

Hasn’t 11.x required a 2 step agreement and a passcode?

Not if you tap "Remind me later". That just requires passcode and since the display looks similar to the standard lockscreen, some may be confused that they're agreeing to update their devices and not simply unlocking their phone.

 

[maflynn]

Hasn’t 11.x required a 2 step agreement and a passcode?

I'm not sure, but when I get promoted, I say no, then it asks, to type in my pass code for a later upgrade and below that in tiny print, you can say no upgrade. I think if you're not careful you will authorize the upgrade

 

[bruinsrme]

Not if you tap "Remind me later". That just requires passcode and since the display looks similar to the standard lockscreen, some may be confused that they're agreeing to update their devices and not simply unlocking their phone.

Interesting you don’t have to agree to the terms if you opt to install later

 

[Tech198]

I just never connect to Wi-Fi,, solution solved Since iOS updates won't download automatically over cell service..

Better than deleting the update all the time or just leaving it as "wasted" space on something your never going to do.

I got into doing this from scratch, I got cheesed of deleting the update all the time, so I made a point to "erase all content & settings" and set up phone from scratch..

The problem is, if your on Wi-Fi the reminder keeps popping up. since there is no option to "ignore forever"

I like to do things MY way

 

[Gen0]

within limitation of buying a new Mac that is.



I don't quite get the reason we should force Apple just because we decided to do the wrong thing and update..

No one is forcing you to update... You can always do a 'Reset all content and setting on iOS" which will not update at all.

If Apple kept signing every single iOS release from 1.o it would be a nightmare for the user.. Which version do u wanna go to ? How would iTunes respond, giving user an option with every single iOS release in drop down. ? If Apple starts installing the latest only for the device you have, that may not want everyone may want either.

For instance, i'm on 10.3.3 and won't be heading to 11.x anytime in the next year or two.

Saying that new versions of Macs aren't supported by older versions of MacOS is simply explained: They don't have the drivers to do so. People in the past have found said drivers and back ported macOS versions, so it's not impossible, unlike downgrading your phone. You're conflating a technical limitation to one Apple programmed. Incidentally, you can downgrade OS just fine but mentioning that would counter your end point.

Saying that a system reset is the same as a backup OS image is silly too. Hint: a simple magnet in your pocket and your phone is screwed. Hell bit-rot will screw your phone the same way in a year or two. System resets will not fix this. Backups would, but Apple disables your ability to restore from a backup without going online to first check it's the latest update then installing it to your backup... even if the end result won't fit on your phone memory. Dumb, huh.

Do you know how many macOS software updates are available online? Every. Single. One. Ever. back to OSX 10.1. Why? Because that's your Mac and you should be able to load it with the best version for you. I have 2 running 10.5 and 10.6 fantastically. My iP5s which is newer than both is a dog on iOS 11.

"If Apple kept signing every single iOS release from 1.o it would be a nightmare for the user."

I'm absolutely sure that Apple and it's 30,000 employees would figure it out somehow, and I have made UI's with more options readable. Why don't you just offer to update a few versions ahead instead, or let me actually use my backup after Apple stop issuing keys?

"Which version do u wanna go to? How would iTunes respond, giving user an option with every single iOS release in drop down. ? If Apple starts installing the latest only for the device you have, that may not want everyone may want either."

These are issues that can be fixed by a single UI designer. Hell, if it takes adding a new window pane, or switching the tool to a button then so be it. Anyway I want the feature made, I do not want to make the feature. This is not my church where they say 'well God works in mysterious ways, what did you expect' then take my money anyway.

And the last one about never connecting to Wi-Fi is even worse. You want me to turn off the cell signal next when they start doing OTA forced 3G updates instead of simply pointing at the problem? Sounds very much like "My Way" involves making your life revolve around massive compromises in order to retain your brand loyalty.

You know there are $20 nokia symbian phones that will WiFi perfectly without dumping on your storage space?

 

[Phakt]

Hi everyone,

Couple years ago I bought an iPad2 64GB 3G iPad for about €900,-
Today i'm running iOS 9.3.5 and it's complete utter crap on the iPad2.
This iPad is only used for browsing the web and Netflix. Nothing extreme or fancy basically.

Apple prevents users from downgrading but this could turn iOS devices unusable after updating.
I feel we should be allowed to downgrade. I also think Apple shouldn't keep that from happening.
(especially when a device has been too far upgraded to the point that it becomes unstable).

Apple these days only seems to be responding to lawsuits unfortunately...

I'm wondering how many people are facing the same problem with their devices from Apple.
Lets use this thread to see how many people wanna join a lawsuit, forcing Apple to help out their customers. (let me know from which country you are as well)

PS. I'm sorry in advance for all the Apple spies aka members on this forum twisting and downplaying negative stories about Apple and Apple devices.

Drats. Too late. Maybe it will happen again.
https://appletoolbox.com/2018/01/apple-allowing-ios-downgrades-older-iphone-ipads/

 

[TheSkywalker77]

If they allowed downgrading your iOS version I could bring some life back into my iPhone 5s and 4. Updating to iOS 11 and 7 was a mistake.

 

[Tech198]

Saying that new versions of Macs aren't supported by older versions of MacOS is simply explained: They don't have the drivers to do so. People in the past have found said drivers and back ported macOS versions, so it's not impossible, unlike downgrading your phone. You're conflating a technical limitation to one Apple programmed. Incidentally, you can downgrade OS just fine but mentioning that would counter your end point.

Saying that a system reset is the same as a backup OS image is silly too. Hint: a simple magnet in your pocket and your phone is screwed. Hell bit-rot will screw your phone the same way in a year or two. System resets will not fix this. Backups would, but Apple disables your ability to restore from a backup without going online to first check it's the latest update then installing it to your backup... even if the end result won't fit on your phone memory. Dumb, huh.

Do you know how many macOS software updates are available online? Every. Single. One. Ever. back to OSX 10.1. Why? Because that's your Mac and you should be able to load it with the best version for you. I have 2 running 10.5 and 10.6 fantastically. My iP5s which is newer than both is a dog on iOS 11.

"If Apple kept signing every single iOS release from 1.o it would be a nightmare for the user."

I'm absolutely sure that Apple and it's 30,000 employees would figure it out somehow, and I have made UI's with more options readable. Why don't you just offer to update a few versions ahead instead, or let me actually use my backup after Apple stop issuing keys?

"Which version do u wanna go to? How would iTunes respond, giving user an option with every single iOS release in drop down. ? If Apple starts installing the latest only for the device you have, that may not want everyone may want either."

These are issues that can be fixed by a single UI designer. Hell, if it takes adding a new window pane, or switching the tool to a button then so be it. Anyway I want the feature made, I do not want to make the feature. This is not my church where they say 'well God works in mysterious ways, what did you expect' then take my money anyway.

And the last one about never connecting to Wi-Fi is even worse. You want me to turn off the cell signal next when they start doing OTA forced 3G updates instead of simply pointing at the problem? Sounds very much like "My Way" involves making your life revolve around massive compromises in order to retain your brand loyalty.

You know there are $20 nokia symbian phones that will WiFi perfectly without dumping on your storage space?

But its still , and always has been, "one company", the only reason Microsoft can do this is because they allow third parties to made the chip-set/drivers etc.., while Apple is the only one who's in control... They decide whats best for us.we also cannot sue, we disagree with just because we don't like how Apple does it... Well, we could, but Apple wouldn't even care.

It's not impossible to do, as you just explained by the "community", but that is not Apple. its the figuring out how to do it..