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There’s nothing wrong with variety. And its variety of choices is not an excuse for an inconsistent experience.

For example, while android is open there is absolutely no reason google does d actually force and require all Oems to be on the same software version.

The fact that in 2025, there are still brand new android phones being sold with android 13-14 when 15 is current and 16 is supposed to be released soon is ridiculous.

I was looking at android phones last night and there are phones that dont have nfc.

even within the same brand and damolg
The experience is both inconsistent and redundant (Motorolas g family and Samsung a family).

I don’t expect high end features in budget or entry phones.

I do expect a basic consistency however.
If Google forced consistency and the way you’re talking, it would increase the price of lower tier phones. You can buy an android phone for less than $100 and some significantly less. In the USA this is a smaller market, but in the rest of the world where people make $30 a month salary this is a big market. The processor probably isn’t powerful enough for the latest version of android and things like NFC are cut out to save money.


That’s what make iPhone the better option. You aren’t really compromising much from buying a 16e or a 15 vs a pro max.
Oh, I agree
The fact I can go back to an xs or 11 and while it lacks certain features and may be a smudge slower it isn’t bad.
I actually like that about iPhones is everything is consistent and the way they back up is awesome. I can smash my phone, walk into an Apple Store get a new one, restore it and it’s exactly like the one I had before. Everything is in the same place and it’s like it’s the exact same phone.

Maybe you can do that on android but I’m not sure. I know it has some backup features, but I don’t think it’s that good.

And honestly the only customization I actually like is Niagara launcher. It’s beautiful.

But I personally largely don’t care about android customization so it isn’t a plus for me.
I like some customization, but as long as it works, I’m happy. I don’t like it when they move things and I have to figure out where it went to, but as long as it works, I’m good.

Exactly. Im an Apple girl through and through but I also don’t care if someone criticizes apple.

This reminds me of the early 2010s when android fans would argue over which OEM was the best lmao.

Like come on now. I can see arguing sports teams.

Arguing about phones? Lmao
It’s more than just a phone. People play games take pictures and mostly interact on social media. People have very strong, emotional attachment to their phones. I don’t even know why we call it a phone because most people don’t make many phone calls.
 
As I said before many people spend more time interacting with their phones than their family and friends. They’ve become emotionally attached to them so when someone speaks negatively about their phone it’s similar to speaking negatively about a close family member. It’s on both sides of this fence
I agree with you as most in the Alternative section would as well. Most here have both platforms and enjoy having one foot in each world so to speak. We routinely discuss the pros and cons of each as neither is perfect.
Personally...i most often carry 2 phones...My 16PM and S25U. I switch between them so much it has become a running family amusement when my texts show as green as most of my family have iPhones.

But the distinction is when someone obviously has their mind up about a platform but just wants to rile people up.
Those people as you said, have an emotional attachment to their phone to the extent as to not date someone that does not have the same device.
 
If Google forced consistency and the way you’re talking, it would increase the price of lower tier phones. You can buy an android phone for less than $100 and some significantly less. In the USA this is a smaller market, but in the rest of the world where people make $30 a month salary this is a big market. The processor probably isn’t powerful enough for the latest version of android and things like NFC are cut out to save money
No I get it. I just hate the lack of consistency
Maybe you can do that on android but I’m not sure. I know it has some backup features, but I don’t think it’s that good.
Im trying to remember if it is possible to do a Samsung backup on a Motorola device.

I feel like there may be some compatibility issues
But the distinction is when someone obviously has their mind up about a platform but just wants to rile people up.
The only one riling anyone up is literally the ppl getting riled up by themselves lol.

I shared my experience and frustration and somehow my experience (keyword my experience) “riled ppl” up.

I appreciate the mature responses from some posters.
 
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I agree with you as most in the Alternative section would as well. Most here have both platforms and enjoy having one foot in each world so to speak. We routinely discuss the pros and cons of each as neither is perfect.
Personally...i most often carry 2 phones...My 16PM and S25U. I switch between them so much it has become a running family amusement when my texts show as green as most of my family have iPhones.

But the distinction is when someone obviously has their mind up about a platform but just wants to rile people up.
Those people as you said, have an emotional attachment to their phone to the extent as to not date someone that does not have the same device.
Yeah, you should of followed your first thought and not give them any attention because it's as you stated to rile people up. No point in going back and forth with someone like that.
 
Yeah, you should have followed your first thought and not give them any attention because it's as you stated to rile people up. No point in going back and forth with someone like that.
If you’re sensitive to VALID COMPLAINTS, you’re welcome to use the ignore feature.

Im assuming this forum is an echo chamber where we only can speak positively about android and if anyone makes VALID COMPLAINTS they are trolling lol.

Good community feel.
 
If you’re sensitive to VALID COMPLAINTS, you’re welcome to use the ignore feature.

Im assuming this forum is an echo chamber where we only can speak positively about android and if anyone makes VALID COMPLAINTS they are trolling lol.

Good community feel.
I'm all for VALID COMPLAINTS. But YOU came in with an agenda... clearly YOU don't care for Android, so what's your angle here?
 
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If you’re sensitive to VALID COMPLAINTS, you’re welcome to use the ignore feature.

Im assuming this forum is an echo chamber where we only can speak positively about android and if anyone makes VALID COMPLAINTS they are trolling lol.

Good community feel.
Your complaint of having to download apps to do things is not a valid complaint, when many iOS users boost about iOS getting apps first and apple has ads claiming " there's an app for that". This is you just grasping at straws to complain about android. The problem is you're too poor to buy luxury devices. "No one ever got fired for buying IBM", buying iPhone is the "safe" choice if you don't want to do any research. I choose android because I can do my "homework " and prefer choice and not being locked in.
 
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Cash App, Venmo, Zelle. Also, you chose one of the worst options to attempt a run at Android. I'm highly attracted to some Android devices, but I can't switch. I'll lose far more than I gain.
 
I'm all for VALID COMPLAINTS. But YOU came in with an agenda... clearly YOU don't care for Android, so what's your angle here?
Please tell me what agenda I had.

Like plz tell me what I gained. Bc clearly some random individual on macrumors knows me better than you know….me?

Cash App, Venmo, Zelle. Also, you chose one of the worst options to attempt a run at Android. I'm highly attracted to some Android devices, but I can't switch. I'll lose far more than I gain.
Cash app is terrible.

Venmo i don’t like.

Zelle not all banks are compatible.

Again this has nothing to do with the phone im using. Notice I acknowledged all the shortcomings the razr has.

Im not even comparing the phone to my iPhone.

I complained about Google wallet being an inferior product compared to Apple Pay. As it is.
 
Your complaint of having to download apps to do things is not a valid complaint, when many iOS users boost about iOS getting apps first and apple has ads claiming " there's an app for that". This is you just grasping at straws to complain about android. The problem is you're too poor to buy luxury devices. "No one ever got fired for buying IBM", buying iPhone is the "safe" choice if you don't want to do any research. I choose android because I can do my "homework " and prefer choice and not being locked in.
It’s not valid to you. It’s valid to me. And you’ll be okay. Or not, thats not my issue.

I personally didn’t ask why you chose android bc and I am going to touch your hand as I say this “that has nothing to do with me”

What I did was share my experience and you seemed to have an issue with it. That my friend is a you(and others) problem. Not mine.

As I said. You’ll be okay. Or you won’t. You can get riled up or frustrated. Your feelings are valid. Insignificant to me of course but your feelings are valid.

But im not going to not share my opinion bc it hurts someone’s feelings that I pointed out google wallet is inferior to Apple wallet.

Because it is.

Y’all are trying to literally debate MY EXPERIENCE as if we are the same person. That is wild. If not a little strange. Im just saying.

Thoughts and prayers.
 
It’s not valid to you. It’s valid to me. And you’ll be okay. Or not, thats not my issue.

I personally didn’t ask why you chose android bc and I am going to touch your hand as I say this “that has nothing to do with me”

What I did was share my experience and you seemed to have an issue with it. That my friend is a you(and others) problem. Not mine.

As I said. You’ll be okay. Or you won’t. You can get riled up or frustrated. Your feelings are valid. Insignificant to me of course but your feelings are valid.

But im not going to not share my opinion bc it hurts someone’s feelings that I pointed out google wallet is inferior to Apple wallet.

Because it is.

Y’all are trying to literally debate MY EXPERIENCE as if we are the same person. That is wild. If not a little strange. Im just saying.

Thoughts and prayers.
My experience/problem isn't with apple, it is with apple fans claiming apple and their devices are near perfect, tricking people to buy apple. Apple isn't going to fool me twice. https://violationtracker.goodjobsfirst.org/parent/apple-inc
 
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My experience/problem isn't with apple, it is with apple fans claiming apple and their devices are near perfect, tricking people to buy apple. Apple isn't going to fool me twice. https://violationtracker.goodjobsfirst.org/parent/apple-inc
Sounds like you have some strange parasocial relationship with apple lmao.

Apple is perfect for us. It’s why we use it and I will always first and foremost recommend an iPhone over any android bc overall the apple integration and synergy is far superior than android/google.

Id use my windows phone if I could before an android.

That being said for the android fans, I respect your choice bc in the end it’s none of my business and I don’t care what you use.

im glad that most of my friends are now on iPhones and that razr (it’s cute) is back in the box bc this was terrible and I did at least try to give android and open mind.
 
I am highly critical of Android. BUT....recently had my iphone stolen and my job offered a free Razr for free and I was like okay...save money, no worries.
My friend needed cash for an uber so I figured Google wallet(he uses android) would be useful. Except there is no(please correct me if I am wrong) actual way to send cash or receive cash.

Am I the only one confused by why you're using your work phone to send your friend money?

Cash app is terrible.

Venmo i don’t like.

Zelle not all banks are compatible.

I mean, if you come in with your mind made up about all available options, it makes sense you won't like it. It's like a vegan walking into a steakhouse and acting surprised all the entrees are animal protein.

I don't think anyone is supposed to like Cash App or Venmo. Just send your money and be done with it - I don't see what the big deal is.
 
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Am I the only one confused by why you're using your work phone to send your friend money?
What does it being a work phone have to do with sending my friend money lol.

I also have selfies from a drunken Monday night at the bar lol.

I work in sales. Not some federal government job.
I mean, if you come in with your mind made up about all available options, it makes sense you won't like it. It's like a vegan walking into a steakhouse and acting surprised all the entrees are animal protein.
You all act as if I don’t have 10 plus years using android to have the opinion i have lmao.

I think that’s what makes me laugh the most bc im almost willing to bet I’ve owned more android phones than most of the ppl commenting in this thread.

84 to be exact since 2009. So no it’s not like I haven’t ever used android.

aside from my failed experience with blackberry, short term life with web os, doomed relationship with windows phone (i so try to make it work and Microsoft left me lol), I have literally used android collectively well over a decade than I have used apple products exclusively.

So it’s the condescending comments make me laugh bc I know I have more experience than most of you defending it.


I don't think anyone is supposed to like Cash App or Venmo. Just send your money and be done with it - I don't see what the big deal is.
It’s not for you to see what the big deal is lol. I don’t recall asking you to see the big deal about MY EXPERIENCE.

Thats something you all seem to fail to grasp. This is MY EXPERIENCE.

Hold on let me say it one more time. It’s MY EXPERIENCE. while I am fabulous and I can see why people would want to be (I tease). It’s my experience.

So plz stop debating me and trying to dismantle wait for it. MY EXPERIENCE.

Yes I should enjoy the product/service im using.

Cash app has major outages and transfers dont always go through instantly.

Venmo somehow locked me out of my account and I have money just sitting in there.

Apple Pay has consistently worked for me in MY EXPERIENCE and I was hoping Since you all brag about how much better android is that google wallet was compatible

and it’s not.

As I said before this is my experience. You don’t have to like it. Agree with it. Or disagree with it. I honestly do not care lol.

But I think it’s time to let it go.
 
I agree with you as most in the Alternative section would as well. Most here have both platforms and enjoy having one foot in each world so to speak. We routinely discuss the pros and cons of each as neither is perfect.
Personally...i most often carry 2 phones...My 16PM and S25U. I switch between them so much it has become a running family amusement when my texts show as green as most of my family have iPhones.

But the distinction is when someone obviously has their mind up about a platform but just wants to rile people up.
Those people as you said, have an emotional attachment to their phone to the extent as to not date someone that does not have the same device.

I think the difference is you carry both phones. If you had an emotional attachment, it would be likely to both so you would not be in the same position as someone who carries one particular brand.

I have used iPhone since iPhone 5, and while I feel sort of attached to the brand, it’s not where I am bothered when someone criticizes it. Perhaps that’s just my nature. I absolutely love my car probably more than my phone and I’ve got severe criticism about it from people who have emotional issues, but it does not upset me. I’ve learned that I cannot be responsible for other’s feelings about my choices. I have a friend that absolutely rags on iPhone every chance she can. You would think she works for Samsung, but I just shrug and think well whatever.
 
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So you say you're highly critical of android only to accept a work issued android, that, judging from your post you'd likely never choose for yourself in an ordinary world... To then moan that you couldn't send someone money which therefore makes apple superior (to you?). I mean, fair play if that's what's important to you, but not really sure on the point of the post.

That's like me going into the iPhone section and saying how rubbish my (actual) iPhone 13 is that is work issued.

Can't take the post seriously when you "sit and realise that the overall experience is terrible" when you're using a mid range android and moaning that it basically doesn't have apple pay. I've seen some troll posts in my time but this one... 😁😅.
Why would anyone want to spend money on a premium Android phone when the mid range is sloppy?

I've used the OnePlus 8T and Google Pixel 6a extensively and the OnePlus 8T would make me consider buying another OnePlus product. My experiences with Google products makes me want to avoid them forever.
 
Why would anyone want to spend money on a premium Android phone when the mid range is sloppy?

I've used the OnePlus 8T and Google Pixel 6a extensively and the OnePlus 8T would make me consider buying another OnePlus product. My experiences with Google products makes me want to avoid them forever.
I dont even know how to answer this. You ask why anyone would want to spend money on a premium android phone because the mid range is sloppy. Then proceed to say you used a one plus mid range phone and you'd consider buying another? 😅😂.

Make it make sense.
 
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I dont even know how to answer this. You ask why anyone would want to spend money on a premium android phone because the mid range is sloppy. Then proceed to say you used a one plus mid range phone and you'd consider buying another? 😅😂.

Make it make sense.
OnePlus did a good job on the product.
 
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