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Since Mac Pro 2013 is officially a failed product...

mavericks7913 said:
TB2 is a dead port and it's a fact. Not only for video and music. Animation, effects, and more. It will be a problem in long-term because it can not cool CPU and GPU inside. It will cause meltdown. My school labs have tons of Mac Pro for Photography uses and guess what? Over 30 of them had been sent to Apple for repair. They were full upgraded version. There is no doubt that Mac Pro 2013 is a Failed product. You need to think about overall opinions, not just personal opinions. Just fine? PC can be built for much better performance with cheap price and better cooling system. That's why a lot of people left Mac Pro behind. Im really tired of having a conversation with you because you dont accept facts. Deal with it.
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False facts...Literally dozens, perhaps hundreds of Thunderbolt devices available right now. Not sure where you get your facts from:

https://thunderbolttechnology.net/products

I don't call it quite dead by any means. Just not used by the average consumer. Its mostly for professional use.
 
Quick: Over almost 8 years Apple hasn't produced anything I wanted to buy from them. Not since the iPad 2.

mavericks7913 said:
That's what Mac Pro is made for and it failed which result a lot of users to move from MacOS to Windows.
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*raises hand* Anecdotal case right here. I've turned my MP 3,1 into a Frankenstein Windows (and sometimes Linux, and rarely macOS) machine instead of getting anything new from Apple. That's coming up on 10 years with the same tower. Swapping out and adding hardware (like USB3 and a GTX 980). I considered swapping out the processors, but the motherboard is just so old now that it's the bottleneck. And you can't have a "Mac" (officially) without an "Apple" branded motherboard.

If Apple doesn't come up with a satisfactory (user serviceable/upgradeable) Mac Pro I'll likely be going full custom Win-Tel or maybe Win-ADM box by the end of 2018. Kinda like how I'm waiting to see what Apple does with the iPhone SE. If they don't do anything with it I'm likely to replace my aged 4S with an Android device. My iPad 2 already got functionally replaced by an HP Pavilion x360, instead of a newer iPad. Not sure what I'm gonna replace the iPod Touch 3rd Gen with, as its battery is finally starting to go.

As the tech hub for my friends and family, I've also started pushing them away from Apple products in generally (where it seems appropriate). This is the "failure" of Apple's current snubbing of the pro market, they very much forgot that it is the "pro" users/customers that really sell their devices.

What would maybe bring me back is a modern (2016/2017) motherboard in the 4,1 case (or similarly accessible), and priced at a reasonable amount compared to similar machines. With of course a reasonable price bump for the "Apple Tax" that covers the macOS, iWork, iLife, and other software that comes "free" with a Mac (IMO $200 to $300 above similar priced PC/Windows machines). Ask for $500 - $1000 markup for outdated (2015 or older) hardware I'm just going to cut my loses on macOS and iOS software buy-ins I've made over 15 years.
 
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mavericks7913 said:
https://www.macrumors.com/2017/04/06/mac-pro-may-not-ship-until-2019/
http://www.osnews.com/story/29755/Some_notes_regarding_the_new_Mac_Pro
https://www.macrumors.com/2017/04/04/apple-stresses-commitment-to-pro-users/
https://www.theverge.com/2017/4/4/15175994/apple-mac-pro-failure-admission
https://qz.com/979502/the-mac-pro-has-failed-and-we-dont-know-what-apple-will-try-next/
https://daringfireball.net/2017/04/the_mac_pro_lives

These links prove that Mac Pro is a failed product.
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hey wait.. all of those links are about the same thing.. the day 3 apple execs had a face-to-face with 5 reporters.


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just sayin.
it's more of an example of the internet being an echo chamber as opposed to some sort of proof-by-numbers.. one link would of equaled those 6
 
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h9826790 said:
This is the full transcript of that interview.

https://techcrunch.com/2017/04/06/t...-john-ternus-on-the-state-of-apples-pro-macs/

Apple representatives admit that they put themselves (the 6,1) into a thermal corner. Unable to use single large GPU. They think that "was" a clever design, but actually they are boxed by a circle. And the Mac Pro users are moving away......

OK, they never use the word "failure". However, it's not that hard to understand that they were actually admitting that 6,1 is a poorly design machine (as a Mac Pro). Therefore, they have to completely redo it.

As you said, that's all our opinions. I believe what they said means the Mac Pro is a failure. And you can stand on the other side. You believe "failure = not making money". For me, "users moving away" is bad enough to indicate that the product is a failure. Anyway, in this case, the tech news guy also interpret that Apple admit 6,1 is a failure, and actually use the word "failure" in the heading. Like this one.

https://betanews.com/2017/04/04/apple-mac-pro-redesign/
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I agee that there seem to be issues with constant work load using presumably both GPUs. To go from there to say it is a failure is bit of an extrapolation and and oppertunity for click baiting in my opinion. Sometime I make small animation for teaching and render times are days. I do CPU rendering and the fan does not increase in speed even under full workload. I can do normal office work at the same time and is therefore very happy with my choice (8-core nMP). I assume there are more people like me with similar needs where an iMac will not be suffiicient (or too noisy) while the nMP fits very well. I do not know if we are sufficient number of people where nMP is a good fit to make the nMP a commercial success. I would not be happy with a big, mostly empty box in my case, that either dominate my desk or I bang my knees on under the desk. I would be happy with an 18-core Skylake-X "nMP" because I do not make Hollywood grade animations.

That mac pro users move away can have many reasons. One reason is sometimes poor cost benefit of hardware and another reasons are that many software packages do not exist on MacOS, does only support CUDA, or are updated well after the windows version. If I did more 3D modelling and rendering, I would also consider a wintel box because of these reasons. The third pressure point is corporate IT depertment who tend to give better support on windows machines than MacOS. I think, these issues are far more disturbing than the Mac hardware at the moment.
 
linuxcooldude said:
False facts...Literally dozens, perhaps hundreds of Thunderbolt devices available right now. Not sure where you get your facts from:

https://thunderbolttechnology.net/products

I don't call it quite dead by any means. Just not used by the average consumer. Its mostly for professional use.
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It is dead. Even Apple abandoned TB2. Also, those are quite limited. I doubt about TB2 unless they dont wanna trash their own mac pro 2013 since they spent a lot of money.
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pat500000 said:
Again. Never denied it. Try again.
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I wouldn't say 2013 is a failed mac pro.

Edit: i meant i dont think its totally failure.

After you got a lot of criticism, you edit your own comment and I saw it. Dont try to lie.
 
mavericks7913 said:
It is dead. Even Apple abandoned TB2. Also, those are quite limited. I doubt about TB2 unless they dont wanna trash their own mac pro 2013 since they spent a lot of money.
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I wouldn't say 2013 is a failed mac pro.

Edit: i meant i dont think its totally failure.

After you got a lot of criticism, you edit your own comment and I saw it. Dont try to lie.
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My point was it has some uses.
 
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pat500000 said:
Nmp was targeted for video and music.
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No, not for music. A machine that enforces dual gpus (and actually use one) are not for musicians. Musicians seem to be better with an iMac. You know, this computer in the shape of a huge anorectic monitor, that cannot be used as a huge anorectic monitor.

Besides that, I don't know how a potential buyer could know beforehand if the machine will melt down for his specific needs. Does he have to ask the person in the shop ? Should we specify that we need "a machine that will not melt down" when we shop macs from now on ?
 
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mavericks7913 said:
It is dead. Even Apple abandoned TB2. Also, those are quite limited. I doubt about TB2 unless they dont wanna trash their own mac pro 2013 since they spent a lot of money.
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First you said there were only a few Thunderbolt devices exist, not true. Thunderbolt 3 is backward compatible with Thunderbolt 2 devices. TB2 devices don't just stop working when TB3 comes along.
 
linuxcooldude said:
First you said there were only a few Thunderbolt devices exist, not true. Thunderbolt 3 is backward compatible with Thunderbolt 2 devices. TB2 devices don't just stop working when TB3 comes along.
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and it will have limited performance compare to TB3
 
mavericks7913 said:
You can still use it but like I said it's limited. Check how many TB2 displays are there.
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Why in the world does TB2 displays matter? TB can be adapted to basically any video protocol you want, so why even bother focusing on such an absurd use case?
 
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NT1440 said:
Why in the world does TB2 displays matter? TB can be adapted to basically any video protocol you want, so why even bother focusing on such an absurd use case?
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Tell me why people does not use TB ports that much. Too expensive, not a common port, and limited uses. It is matter. Also, it's more Apple's port.
 
mavericks7913 said:
Tell me why people does not use TB ports that much. Too expensive, not a common port, and limited uses. It is matter. Also, it's more Apple's port.
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It's intel's port (Apple and Intel collaborated on Lightpeak), and 2018 will see mass adoption as the TB controller chip is going to be integrated into Intel's CPU's going forward....

People use them all day every day here at work, the thing about ports is if you have a use case for them that's vital to your workflow you're going to use them.
 
NT1440 said:
It's intel's port (Apple and Intel collaborated on Lightpeak), and 2018 will see mass adoption as the TB controller chip is going to be integrated into Intel's CPU's going forward....

People use them all day every day here at work, the thing about ports is if you have a use case for them that's vital to your workflow you're going to use them.
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How many years have we heard that <next year> is the year of mass adoption of TB?

TB is going the way of fire wire.
 
antonis said:
No, not for music. A machine that enforces dual gpus (and actually use one) are not for musicians. Musicians seem to be better with an iMac. You know, this computer in the shape of a huge anorectic monitor, that cannot be used as a huge anorectic monitor.

Besides that, I don't know how a potential buyer could know beforehand if the machine will melt down for his specific needs. Does he have to ask the person in the shop ? Should we specify that we need "a machine that will not melt down" when we shop macs from now on ?
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Lol "does he have to ask..."
 
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Isn't it still the leader in FCPX performance? Can't be considered a failed product then.
 
You know computer conversations have gotten boring when the topic of ports starts coming up again. Ugh.
 
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AidenShaw said:
T-Bolt is dead as long as it is required to carry display port video.

T-Bolt without video could have quite a future.
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Can you elaborate? Why would supporting the DisplayPort protocol cause thunderbolt to be dead?
 
Man you guys crack me up.
  • Apple held a mea culpa press event to discuss the problems with the nMP, and furthermore indicated they were going to turn it around with a complete redesign. They admitted to disappointing customers and they said they were sorry. All tech industry articles are interpreting this as a sign of failure. If you personally don't think that's a sign of failure, then you are a bit out of touch.
  • Schiller's own stated goal for the design was to last 10 years. Instead it will never see an update, and it is being dropped like a rock. Failing to meet his stated goal of a 10 year life is an objective statement, not an opinion.
  • It quite literally fails, repeatedly. So much so that Apple has a recall for defective GPUs. The replacement GPUs are not redesigned in any way, so under the same workload the replacements simply fail too, over and over again:


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The nMP is a great success!​
 
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