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I wonder how many of the proposed (and speculative) enhancements are focused on owners of an iPhone and an AVP? IMHO, ordinary iPhone users wouldn’t benefit beyond the first month‘s WOW! phase of ownership.
 
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So...all future iPhones will undoubtedly have improved cameras and chipset

-iPhone 16 screen size grows by .15" and .17"
-iPhone 17 will have a hole punch.
-iPhone 18 will have all screen

Where's the foldable iPhone?
 
So...all future iPhones will undoubtedly have improved cameras and chipset

-iPhone 16 screen size grows by .15" and .17"
-iPhone 17 will have a hole punch.
-iPhone 18 will have all screen

Where's the foldable iPhone?
It sounds more like:

iphone 16 pro grow in size
iphone 17 pro will get a hole punch
iPhone 19 pro (according to the most optimistic prediction) will get all screen

as to the foldable, maybe XX or the rumored new ultra?
 
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I like the Chinese approach of putting all new ideas into the next product instead of "saving" ideas for a later phone.

Those approaches also exist in the camera world. Companies like Canon plan well ahead and "save" features for much later cameras, while Sony comes up with new stuff like the "global shutter" and immediately puts it into the next camera. That strategy pretty much disrupted the camera market.

If a company "saves" a feature for later, it seems that the company fears that it might run out of features soon. Why are they so pessimistic? Please give us the latest stuff you have!
 
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Next years iPhone 16 Pro is already getting Wi-Fi 7. The 17 Pro will just be first with an Apple made chip.


The fact of an Apple-made Wi-Fi chip could be a big deal though, with implications beyond just the iPhone.

For example, while many (most?) of Apple's products have transitioned by now to Wi-Fi 6/E, there are some that remain stuck on Wi-Fi 4, notably the Apple Watch and the HomePod. At least some of this is due not to engineering but financial considerations (use older chips, preserve larger profit margins).

So, if Apple finally has a lower-cost Wi-Fi chip at its disposal (the main objective of the project to develop an in-house chip and get away from Broadcom) that incorporates the latest technology (version 7), it could enable the company to implement more current Wi-Fi throughout its product lines -- and possibly even add new (or resurrect old) products. Wi-Fi 7 AirPort Extreme anyone?
 
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But i don't want a bigger phone. :mad:
Same here. Sadly, it appears that Apple is increasing screen size to pander to content consumption folks; games and videos are more enjoyable on larger screens. Interesting how the company that keeps increasing their device screen size is also the company that keeps pushing content consumption bundles (Apple TV, Apple Arcade, etc).
 
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Same here. Sadly, it appears that Apple is increasing screen size to pander to content consumption folks; games and videos are more enjoyable on larger screens. Interesting how the company that keeps increasing their device screen size is also the company that keeps pushing content consumption bundles (Apple TV, Apple Arcade, etc).
Indeed—and they emphasize features that are either genuinely pro-level (creating ultra-res photos and movies) or are cutting-edge without widespread utility (WiFi 6 and above when the slowest link is one's ISP). But, I also expect AAPL tracks sales and use quite carefully, so who am I to blow against the wind?
 
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The fact of an Apple-made Wi-Fi chip could be a big deal though, with implications beyond just the iPhone.

For example, while many (most?) of Apple's products have transitioned by now to Wi-Fi 6/E, there are some that remain stuck on Wi-Fi 4, notably the Apple Watch and the HomePod. At least some of this is due not to engineering but financial considerations (use older chips, preserve larger profit margins).

So, if Apple finally has a lower-cost Wi-Fi chip at its disposal (the main objective of the project to develop an in-house chip and get away from Broadcom) that incorporates the latest technology (version 7), it could enable the company to implement more current Wi-Fi throughout its product lines -- and possibly even add new (or resurrect old) products. Wi-Fi 7 AirPort Extreme anyone?
Return of Apple routers would only be a good thing!

Regarding the 2nd Generation HomePod... the whole thing felt like a depressing exercise in cost cutting!
 
As of right now, I'm personally going to hold off on the iPhone 16 next year, unless Apple decides to release an Ultra Version, which is unlikely. The iPhone 17 seems like a pretty substantial upgrade even without an Ultra Version.
 
Wow! I honestly didn’t expect Apple to bring ProMotion to standard devices this ”early”! Granted, it would be 4 years since ProMotion was introduced but still, I expected the displays to have 90hz.
Given it is already a standard feature in the rest of the industry, what makes you say that?
 
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As of right now, I'm personally going to hold off on the iPhone 16 next year, unless Apple decides to release an Ultra Version, which is unlikely. The iPhone 17 seems like a pretty substantial upgrade even without an Ultra Version.
What substantial upgrades might there be anymore? Smartphones are mature tech...
 
The fact of an Apple-made Wi-Fi chip could be a big deal though, with implications beyond just the iPhone.

For example, while many (most?) of Apple's products have transitioned by now to Wi-Fi 6/E, there are some that remain stuck on Wi-Fi 4, notably the Apple Watch and the HomePod. At least some of this is due not to engineering but financial considerations (use older chips, preserve larger profit margins).

So, if Apple finally has a lower-cost Wi-Fi chip at its disposal (the main objective of the project to develop an in-house chip and get away from Broadcom) that incorporates the latest technology (version 7), it could enable the company to implement more current Wi-Fi throughout its product lines -- and possibly even add new (or resurrect old) products. Wi-Fi 7 AirPort Extreme anyone?
Sure! I was just replying to Biro though, who said he'd find a WiFi 7 chip useful in his iPhone. I don't think he was concerned with the big picture that you're pointing out. But I agree with what you're saying.
 
What substantial upgrades might there be anymore? Smartphones are mature tech...
I consider the reported 2nm chip, under-display Face ID and wifi 7 chip to be significant upgrades. Of course smartphones are a mature tech, what do you expect Telepathy? And I'm sure Apple is probably working on that right now too.
 
I consider the reported 2nm chip, under-display Face ID and wifi 7 chip to be significant upgrades. Of course smartphones are a mature tech, what do you expect Telepathy? And I'm sure Apple is probably working on that right now too.
How will any of those things you mentioned improve your experience using your iPhone in any meaningful way? Is the processor too slow? Is wifi 6E too slow for you? What can't your current iPhone do that this one will?
 
I consider the reported 2nm chip, under-display Face ID and wifi 7 chip to be significant upgrades. Of course smartphones are a mature tech, what do you expect Telepathy? And I'm sure Apple is probably working on that right now too.
Those are great for leveraging sales, however, I don't know that 2nm and wifi7 would add to my user experience. And I adapted to the damn notch—you want me to un-adapt? lol

Isn't Siri+[ai] going to include telepathy? If it doesn't, well then, I'm done with Apple! I'm sure Google will include it with Android!
 
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The fact of an Apple-made Wi-Fi chip could be a big deal though, with implications beyond just the iPhone.

For example, while many (most?) of Apple's products have transitioned by now to Wi-Fi 6/E, there are some that remain stuck on Wi-Fi 4, notably the Apple Watch and the HomePod. At least some of this is due not to engineering but financial considerations (use older chips, preserve larger profit margins).

So, if Apple finally has a lower-cost Wi-Fi chip at its disposal (the main objective of the project to develop an in-house chip and get away from Broadcom) that incorporates the latest technology (version 7), it could enable the company to implement more current Wi-Fi throughout its product lines -- and possibly even add new (or resurrect old) products. Wi-Fi 7 AirPort Extreme anyone?
I use upgraded to 6E I know barely anyone has WiFi 7 so it’s not a big deal for 90% of iPhone buyers.
 
True that, but are you against users expressing their preferences?
Not at all. Just saying that people who want to buy small iPhones are in the minority. Otherwise, Apple would sell small iPhones still. Obviously, I don’t care who voices their opinion about whatever. I don’t know why anyone would reply as such. Just making an observation that I think people in the minority are upset about something that doesn’t affect 95% of the masses buying iPhones. Just like the average user buys a MacBook with 8GB of RAM and will need to buy another much sooner as it’s insufficient for the long run. They’re free to do it, and Apple is free to rip them off and knowingly force obsolescence.
 
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Because Apple always drags its feet, regardless of what the competition does.
Well, you can't blame them. They do have the most popular, copied and envied smartphone in the world. If they don't drag their feet, they'll just be competing against themselves. It's no like 2009 where smartphones were in their infancy and people were introduced to Siri, a rear camera, selfie camera etc. There's only SO much you can do with a smartphone. So I can't really blame them if they are milking the product for all it's worth. We are now at the point where the yearly craze is what new colors will Apple introduce?
 
How will any of those things you mentioned improve your experience using your iPhone in any meaningful way? Is the processor too slow? Is wifi 6E too slow for you? What can't your current iPhone do that this one will?
Under display Face ID will meaningfully improve my iPhone experience and keep me safer online because it will (hopefully) restore the status bar we had before iPhone X. This will save me from constantly having to pull down control center to access information that was previously available at a glance. It will also keep me from accidentally using my iPhone without an active VPN connection. Occasionally I have to disconnect my VPN for certain sites but half the times I forget to turn it back on solely because the VPN icon is not visible in the status bar without going into control center. I really can’t wait for that, it’s one of my biggest annoyances with modern iPhones.
 
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My plan is to hold my 13 PM and wait for the 17 PM (or 17 Ultra).

- I will mostly skip the uglier giant hole on the display called Dynamic Island, and I will cruise from the classic notch directly to a much little hole. Seriously, I hate the Dynamic Island.
- I will pass from the three 12 MP cameras directly to the all-three 48 MP cameras (no 12-48 mix)
- By that time, Wi-Fi 7 should be a more common standard (and Wi-Fi 6E should be the most dominant one)

2025 will be an excellent year start to upgrade all my devices. No plans for replace anything until then.
 
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My plan is to hold my 13 PM and wait for the 17 PM (or 17 Ultra).

- I will mostly skip the uglier giant hole on the display called Dynamic Island, and I will cruise from the classic notch directly to a much little hole. Seriously, I hate the Dynamic Island.
- I will pass from the three 12 MP cameras directly to the all-three 48 MP cameras (no 12-48 mix)
- By that time, Wi-Fi 7 should be a more common standard (and Wi-Fi 6E should be the most dominant one)

2025 will be an excellent year start to upgrade all my devices. No plans for replace anything until then.
Same here. Though I am coming from a regular 14. The iPhone 18 Pro should come with all-screen display tech though. Other than that, I don't see what should drive future updates.

I have a theory that Apple are making devices slightly larger by each year now, so that by 2026 they can start to shrink them again, to everyones enjoyment. Lol. iPhone X was the perfect size.
 
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