Well, as the "happy" owner of a late 2011 MBP, with dGPU and all the problems that goes with it, iGPU may sucks, but I will not buy any laptop with dGPU in a foreseeable futur.
So the more I can get with an iGPU, the better.
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Skylake: is it worth the wait?
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Well, as the "happy" owner of a late 2011 MBP, with dGPU and all the problems that goes with it, iGPU may sucks, but I will not buy any laptop with dGPU in a foreseeable futur.
So the more I can get with an iGPU, the better.
Yeah ok. I think the sky will be purple today, so im gonna go with that.
Some Kaby Lake H's maybe around early 2017, but if its anything like Skylake H, actually availability won't happen across the line for months after intel's "release" date. I wouldn't hold my breath for <1 year time frame between the i7-6970HQ and what ever the Kaby Lake equivalent will be.
I'm glad your happy, the rest of us complaining are not exactly mac geeks but more so cautious with our money. I don't support company's that take advantage of people or try and sell old tech as new. If you ever walked into best buy or frys and they had 2-3 year old laptops you'd expect at least 50-75% off right? Who wouldn't for old tech that gets outdated every 6 months. Apple is no different, they are just taking advantage of those who don't realize how old there tech is expecting full price for it and they don't care. 2017 is around the corner and I feel sorry for anyone who buys a 2015 model not because it's a bad computer, but because your paying a premium for old tech and once a new one comes out the resale Value will be worse since it'll be very old in just a year or two.
If you need now, then you are compelled to buy now, equally shame on Apple for their current pricing of the Mac Line up. Monopolies have never been good for the end user, Apple is simply taking advantage of the current situation. Was a time when Mac`s were worth the asking price not so much now, with corporate greed prevailing over innovation and the end users experience.
Frankly even as a longterm user and owner of Mac`s unless you absolutely need OS X, there is little if any compelling reason outside of Apple`s physical presence on the high-street, and for that you pay for very much upfront...
No criticism intended, other than that of Apple.
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I also have a 2011 MBP with dGPU. I hate the heat and the fan noise, though I have no problems with it bugging out on me since Mavericks. I'd like to buy a new laptop, but no 13 inch laptop really has a better processor, so I'm resigned to either downgrade, or stick to a larger laptop or just not do anything and use what I have. So I just use what I have.
you are here now. not in the future (nor past). here. now. the wait *never* works. if you want something – go get it! ...and pay the price 
The dGPU's have problems because Apple insists on thinning out their laptops to the limit of the thermal abilities to handle the hardware inside. So really it's not the dGPU's that are the problem, but Apple always pushing their asinine obsession with thinness beyond what the the internal components can handle. Jony Ive: "3mm thicker, and have a video card that doesn't fail from heat overload over time? Nah."
http://www.ebay.com/itm/201649539005you are here now. not in the future (nor past). here. now. the wait *never* works. if you want something – go get it! ...and pay the price
I agree. I hate the whole waiting thing. It's just not for me. So when I saw this I pulled the trigger, especially since it was the MacBook I used at work for several years without a single glitch or problem (retired photojournalist, heavy Photoshop, Photo Mechanic usage). Love the number of ports, too. Can't wait to get it.
The resale value for 2015 models won’t drop any more than usual after the refresh. Apple’s refurbished prices won’t either, you can see that right now for models older than 2015. It will still be the previous model.
That said, I’m with you, in that I wouldn’t buy now. But I don’t mind waiting a few months for a refresh and then some time after to see if any issues pop up (if we get a redesign). But if my Mac went down, and I needed a computer, I wouldn’t hesitate to buy now.
The only thing that 'sucks' are the thermal issue that a dGPU brings, the never ending stories of logic boards frying because of the permanent heat and the overall noise the extra heats generate, let alone the major drain of battery life.
You'd think if Apples competitors with far fewer resources and vastly many times more model variations with constantly updated newer specs can produce laptops that dont overheat, that Apple with its longer product testing etc could produce a laptop with dedicated graphics that doesnt fry the board.
Im sure Apples MBPs dont fry all that often, but obviously its a 'thang' what with AMD Gate etc.
I would expect that the new MBP when released with integrated IrisPro graphics will be very good. Maybe not better than dedicated graphics card, but probably better than the nVidia 650 or 750 that was in the 2013/2014 MBP. That coupled with faster and more Ram, much faster flash HD, usb-c, etc should make it one excellent laptop.
Even if it was a 1% improvement, it still would dissuade me from purchasing CPU from 2013 in 2016. In that time, there has been: 1) a die shrink, 2) better power management, 3) better graphics, 4) better CPU speeds, 5) TB3, 6) USB 3.1. Even so, it would be totally fine if they reduced their prices to compensate with the use of old technology, but the retail price is the same as when it was new in 2013.
I mostly agree, but everyone should note that even Apples 2.2ghz core i7 4770 on the 15inch MBP has a passmark benchmark of 8930, the 2.5ghz 4870 has 9300, and the 2.8ghz 4980 has a score of 10,000, where as the 6700hq as used on almost all current pc alternatives only scores a 8000. And thats ONLY the Processor.
When you factor in the ultrafast HD which blitzes anything on PC, that 20-25% speed advantage of the processor alone of the MBP over PC alternatives only grows, and very substantially.
I grant you they don't have usbC, or the faster gaming graphics, but even if you can find a pc laptop alternatives that have a QHD or higher screen, ultra fast pci hard drive, decent graphics, apple 'esc touchpad, 67xx processor (in excess of apples 4870), and supreme build quality, the pc alternatives are usually more expensive again!
I have yet to find a decent competitor.
My two cents.
Having said that I also find it hard to pull the trigger on a new MBP having waited for almost forever.
I would prefer a small bump in specs of just slightly upgraded built-in graphics, and add 1 TB3/USB-C socket and would be in heaven.
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Most PCs don't cost $2k+ for 2013-era processors. The reason why the 15" Macbook pro still holds up vs lesser computers is that they put in high-end chips in 2013. Had Apple continued updating the computer, it would have even better specs...for the same price. I'm not unhappy with the performance in 2013, I'm unhappy that we have 2013 performance in 2016 for 2013 prices. The Late 2013 macbook pro I bought launch day in late 2013 is still basically the same computer you can buy today at the apple store in late 2016, for the same price. I can't upgrade my computer, even if I wanted to, because no new update is available for purchase.
Check out the Dell precision m4800 and m6800 line of computers, 4th generation laptops costing 3 or 4k euro, and that's after discount as end of line products, with only full he non IPS Screens and spinning hd plus 128flash hd.
3yr old laptops without even a Spec bump.
Dell Precision M7510 and M7710 have IPS, 4k, and Skylake quad cores..the M4800 and M6800 are still for sale because Dell is trying to clear out old stock or something. The M4800 does have IPS though.
My point was that Apple are not the most expensive laptops. There are other laptops, even similar to macbook pro in that they are 3 yr old tech, sold as brand new, costing more than Apple MBP, without a nice retina screen or thunderbolt.
There are going to be more threads like this for Kaby Lake, Cannon Lake/Coffee Lake.
Apple like to sell outdated tech at a huge premium.
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Those laptops have FirePro/Quadro graphics.
Apple don't even sell laptops like that.
Apple like to sell outdated tech at a huge premium.
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Those laptops have FirePro/Quadro graphics.
Apple don't even sell laptops like that.
True. But Apple market them for professional applications so a similar (stress not same )market.
And technically those cards are 99% the same gaming graphics cards essentially, just with different drivers.
Anyway I was just saying that Apple aren't the only ones to market 3yr old laptops at inflated prices.
As someone else has already pointed out, those models have already been superseded.
That's totally different from Apple's case.
I will also restate that Apple doesn't have anything that compete with those products.
Well the fact that Dell's superseded computers are still more expensive than Apple sort of emphasizes my point.
Ok so, let look at the xps 15 and dell precision 5510, essentially identical computers aimed at different markets. The dell Xps is a direct competitor and has a 6700 which is a 3 yr newer chip and New mSata ssd hard drive. Despite that, the MBP 3 yr old processor is 20% faster, and it's hard drive benchmarked 3times faster, graphically its a bit weaker, but still a far faster laptop.
Given the choice of up to date but weaker xps and mbp I would have the faster mbp, even without usb-c and with a 3yr old processor.
Yes I am here waiting with wallet ready for the new mbp which should ***** all over the competition.
The OP needs to ask themselves if the possibility of an OLED function row interests them, or the possibility of Thunderbolt 3, or a faster graphics processor (discrete or integrated).
The CPU speed increase is not going to be noticeable.
Generational CPU speed increases are not going to be noticeable until Intel (or AMD?) finally pull their fingers out of you-know-where, and double core counts across the board. They should have done it years ago, but they didn't.
I've been waiting for Cannonlake, because I'm hoping that the next die shrink will convince Intel to finally do what needs to be done. But the question is, now with Kaby Lake, and this new Coffee Lake abomination: Which will come first? 8-core consumer grade CPUs, or 2020?
The CPU speed increase is not going to be noticeable.
Generational CPU speed increases are not going to be noticeable until Intel (or AMD?) finally pull their fingers out of you-know-where, and double core counts across the board. They should have done it years ago, but they didn't.
I've been waiting for Cannonlake, because I'm hoping that the next die shrink will convince Intel to finally do what needs to be done. But the question is, now with Kaby Lake, and this new Coffee Lake abomination: Which will come first? 8-core consumer grade CPUs, or 2020?
I read up to "mSATA SSD" and then stopped reading. The SSD in the Dell XPS 15 9550 uses the PCIe 3.0 x4 interface.