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Is this true? Kinda embarassing.
Maybe I planned to upgrade from XS to 12, but then capacity is smaller than 11 no way.
Only thing sucks on XS is the battery life.
 
I’m not the one basing these things on what I feel and think. That’s you. I and everyone else here is looking at the actual numbers before coming to a conclusion. You’re on some tirade for no reason and you’re not even making a clear argument. You’re just bouncing around saying no to whatever anyone says and ignoring all of the information in front of you.

Lol a tirade.... I said I was disappointed. Thats hardly a tirade. And the information in front of me is that the 11 Pro gets better battery life than the 12 Pro and that the other models are matching and not exceeding the previous years battery life. To me thats disappointing and a step in the wrong direction. You’re allowed to disagree but aren’t allowed to call someone else’s opinion nonsense just because you disagree with it.
 
I really thought we might be done with Apple trying to squeeze a smaller battery into their phones, but here we are again with them reducing the battery size across all the new models. If these reported battery sizes are true its really disappointing. They should be looking to improve the battery life every year, not just striving to try and get the same battery time as last years model. I don't have a lot of confidence that the battery will last nearly as long as last years, especially since Apple didn't mention battery life one time during the Keynote yesterday.

Reported values of the 12 compared to the 11 series:

iPhone 11 - 3110 mAh
iPhone 12 - 2775 mAh

iPhone 11 Pro - 3046 mAh
iPhone 12 Pro - 2775 mAh

iPhone 11 Pro Max - 3969 mAh
iPhone 12 Pro Max - 3687 mAh
Yeah, you would think with the pressure of 5G, they would ensure battery to be at least the same. I guess it's the reason they came up with the "smart" data thing, that will only use 5G when they deem you need it.

Maybe iPhone 13 will get larger battery as Apple looks at the data form people using 5G on the 12 models. It reminds me of the 6s, where it gets smaller battery than the 6 to allow the taptic engine.
 
Is this true? Kinda embarassing.
Maybe I planned to upgrade from XS to 12, but then capacity is smaller than 11 no way.
Only thing sucks on XS is the battery life.

Wait a minute, you don’t get stellar battery life on the XS? A poster above just said that no one complains about battery life as it apparently isn’t a concern anymore lol.
 
Lol a tirade.... I said I was disappointed. Thats hardly a tirade. And the information in front of me is that the 11 Pro gets better battery life than the 12 Pro and that the other models are matching and not exceeding the previous years battery life. To me thats disappointing and a step in the wrong direction. You’re allowed to disagree but aren’t allowed to call someone else’s opinion nonsense just because you disagree with it.

I’m allowed to say whatever I like. You’re allowed to come in here with your nonsensical, not based in reality opinions just the same as I’m allowed to call out your nonsensical, not based in reality opinions.
 
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The point may be that the unit as a whole may be far more energy efficient and not need the same size battery as the previous year.

When packaging these systems they may well have to take into account the benefits of saving more space for other components by reducing the size of the battery and compensating with more efficient components.

We won't really know until folks have them in their hands and start doing objective comparisons.
 
I’m allowed to say whatever I like. You’re allowed to come in here with your nonsensical, not based in reality opinions just the same as I’m allowed to call out your nonsensical, not based in reality opinions.

Nonsensical. Please note that Apple is only giving video playback battery times. 5G is a huge battery drain and there is no way any of the 12 models are going to last as long as the 11 series when browsing the web if the 12 is on 5G. But I guess thats ok because hey its 5G and while a larger battery could have fixed that a smaller battery was the way to go here.

And my opinions are that the battery is smaller so it won’t last as long. Not sure thats nonsensical but whatever pal, you have all the answers.
 
Wait a minute, you don’t get stellar battery life on the XS? A poster above just said that no one complains about battery life as it apparently isn’t a concern anymore lol.

Maybe my settings are not 100% accurate, but I really do not like battery life on my XS.
 

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If you are using an 11 model thats great. Everyone I know who uses anything below that burns through their battery easily before the day is over.

Nah, the XR still has fantastic battery life, as does the XS Max. The XS’ battery life wasn’t good, which is why I went for the XR 2 years ago.

Other than (highly coincidentally) today, when half my hospital department was completely down and my phone was used non-stop, my phone never drains to 0% in a single day. Even on a 2 year old battery, maybe down to 20-30% under heavy usage, but on most days, it’s only down to 50%.
 
I really thought we might be done with Apple trying to squeeze a smaller battery into their phones, but here we are again with them reducing the battery size across all the new models. If these reported battery sizes are true its really disappointing. They should be looking to improve the battery life every year, not just striving to try and get the same battery time as last years model. I don't have a lot of confidence that the battery will last nearly as long as last years, especially since Apple didn't mention battery life one time during the Keynote yesterday.

Reported values of the 12 compared to the 11 series:

iPhone 11 - 3110 mAh
iPhone 12 - 2775 mAh

iPhone 11 Pro - 3046 mAh
iPhone 12 Pro - 2775 mAh

iPhone 11 Pro Max - 3969 mAh
iPhone 12 Pro Max - 3687 mAh
We have no idea what the actual battery life of these phones will be until they have been released and tested.

If they prove to have the same battery life as the 11 series, that’s good enough for me. If almost everything else on the phone sees an upgrade and the battery life stays the same, that’s a step forward in my book. Not a step back.

I don’t need longer battery life for it’s own sake. I’ve never even thought about the battery life of my 11 Pro, never worried about it - what more than that does anyone actually need?
 
And for all of those stating “Oh the battery life is the same as the 11 and 11 Pro” please tell me why Apple isn’t listing web browsing or talk times for any of the new models. All they lost is video playback time which is odd to say the lease. Please explain. Go ahead, I’ll wait.
 
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It’s because we need to save the environment. Lithium is not unlimited resource and they are heavy. People switch phones every 11 months anyway.
 
And for all of those stating “Oh the battery life is the same as the 11 and 11 Pro” please tell me why Apple isn’t listing web browsing or talk times for any of the new models. All they lost is video playback time which is odd to say the lease. Please explain. Go ahead, I’ll wait.
Why apple not listing the mah battery? why apple not listing the ram on the iphones/ipad?why why why
I bet you want apple to do the battery drain test for you, like some youtubers do!?
YOu have 14 days return if you are not happy....in 14 days you have a lot of time to test the device...remember 5G has a lot of impact if the signal is very weak on your battery. So my future iphone 12 battery life usage can differ from yours if i have better signal in my areas and you do not..or vice versa
This should be closed until the iphone gets into the people hands
 
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You literally just asked if anyone was complaining about battery life these days. The answer is yes if you aren’t using the newest device. Not everyone upgrades every year and the battery life isn’t great on the SE, XR and lower models. So thats the point I’m trying to make. If you don’t want the answer don’t ask the question.

I'm out, I've literally no idea what the point of the thread is! Or if there's even a question to be debated!
 
If you are using an 11 model thats great. Everyone I know who uses anything below that burns through their battery easily before the day is over.

Dammit!

OK, on this point... that might be accurate for everyone you know, but its certainly not the case for everyone I know who uses anything other than an 11.
 
Apple always makes a big deal about reducing the size and weight by amounts so small you’re unlikely to notice unless you’re holding both in your hand at the same time. I guess that matters to people because they keep doing it, but I would definitey prefer they just up the battery size with any space saved.
 
Why apple not listing the mah battery? why apple not listing the ram on the iphones/ipad?why why why
I bet you want apple to do the battery drain test for you, like some youtubers do!?
YOu have 14 days return if you are not happy....in 14 days you have a lot of time to test the device...remember 5G has a lot of impact if the signal is very weak on your battery. So my future iphone 12 battery life usage can differ from yours if i have better signal in my areas and you do not..or vice versa
This should be closed until the iphone gets into the people hands

Apple doesn't offer 14 day returns in all countries
 
This thread seems to have devolved a bit from what I thought the main point is, which is “why would Apple shrink the battery for similar life as previous instead of adding capacity and lasting longer?”

As long as I’ve been aware of smartphones, battery life has been one of the top concerns. People want their devices to last longer.

Part of that is because of the time it takes to juice up. People don’t want to carry a brick around or a heavy case on their phone and they don’t want to sit around for a 30 minutes to 1 hour to have enough battery life to continue on with their day.

Apple introduced the USB-C to Lightning power adapter to help reduce charging times. The 15w wireless charger on iPhone 12 will do the same for wireless charging.

Apple also touted how “green” the new iPhones are. So another potential reason for smaller battery is smaller footprint.

So.. I agree that, personally, I would have liked to see improved battery life instead of same as last year (even though the 11 series was a big step in that area).

However, I thing Apple’s point of view is that their charging solutions and current battery life combine to give users a better experience than before so there’s less friction when it comes to charging. And at the same time, they get to tout smaller, lighter devices that have lower carbon footprints and that can be used for “good will” marketing.
 
This thread seems to have devolved a bit from what I thought the main point is, which is “why would Apple shrink the battery for similar life as previous instead of adding capacity and lasting longer?”

As long as I’ve been aware of smartphones, battery life has been one of the top concerns. People want their devices to last longer.

Part of that is because of the time it takes to juice up. People don’t want to carry a brick around or a heavy case on their phone and they don’t want to sit around for a 30 minutes to 1 hour to have enough battery life to continue on with their day.

Apple introduced the USB-C to Lightning power adapter to help reduce charging times. The 15w wireless charger on iPhone 12 will do the same for wireless charging.

Apple also touted how “green” the new iPhones are. So another potential reason for smaller battery is smaller footprint.

So.. I agree that, personally, I would have liked to see improved battery life instead of same as last year (even though the 11 series was a big step in that area).

However, I thing Apple’s point of view is that their charging solutions and current battery life combine to give users a better experience than before so there’s less friction when it comes to charging. And at the same time, they get to tout smaller, lighter devices that have lower carbon footprints and that can be used for “good will” marketing.
It’s probably also a matter of hardware limitation. If you want a bigger battery, you’d probably have to give up something else; it’s a trade-off. So those wanting a bigger battery - what other aspect of the phone would you prefer to give up or have reduced? Thinness/lightness? Camera? Haptic engine? Structural durability?
 
Smaller battery with the addition of 5G makes it hard to believe that the battery life is the same as the 11. It’s probably going to be worse.
 
Smaller battery with the addition of 5G makes it hard to believe that the battery life is the same as the 11. It’s probably going to be worse.

Exactly. And when thats the case I’ll be reminding a few members who’ve posted in here of this thread.
 
I mean... 5G won’t always be in use considering it’s so sparse at the moment. And it just doesn’t seem refined enough to really use it in smartphones. That might change in a few years though.

Personally, I’m not interested in it in the slightest. Hopefully there will be a toggle to turn off 5G and just stick to 4G LTE, which will probably help in the battery metrics too. It’s fast enough for me anyway.

But OP you’re probably right that these smaller batteries might not last as long as the 11 lineup. I hope Apple managed to actually decrease power usage for the 12 lineup so battery life is the same as last year’s but in a thinner profile.
 
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Maybe next year Apple can come out with an iPhone 13 Battery Edition...it can be a half inch thick and weigh 12 ounces, for those who don't care how thick or heavy their phone is. Seriously though, if you don't care about thickness or weight why don't you just use one of those battery cases? At least you have the option. You obviously don't have the option to go thinner/lighter.
 
It’s probably also a matter of hardware limitation. If you want a bigger battery, you’d probably have to give up something else; it’s a trade-off. So those wanting a bigger battery - what other aspect of the phone would you prefer to give up or have reduced? Thinness/lightness? Camera? Haptic engine? Structural durability?
A fair question. For me I would compromise on thinness and lightness. Not to a crazy extent, everyone has their own sweet spot and of course that’s one of Apple’s problems. With 200+ million customers a year it’s not going to hit everyone’s sweet spot unless it releases millions of models and in some cases it will be quite far adrift from an appreciable number of people’s sweet spots.

I just wish one year they would come out at the key note and say:
"There is absolutely nothing new on this years phones other than we made the battery last twice as long."
I agree with that. Current indications seem to be a 20-25% performance increase with the A14 and as per the specs on Apple’s web site 0% battery increase (on the Pro Max which is the one I care about). I said on another thread that I would have been way, way more excited if this year Apple had delivered 25% battery life increase and 0% performance increase rather than the 25% performance increase and 0% battery life increase that we’re actually getting.

Maybe next year Apple can come out with an iPhone 13 Battery Edition...it can be a half inch thick and weigh 12 ounces, for those who don't care how thick or heavy their phone is. Seriously though, if you don't care about thickness or weight why don't you just use one of those battery cases? At least you have the option. You obviously don't have the option to go thinner/lighter.
As mentioned it’s about sweet spots and yes, battery cases add battery capacity but in a very inefficient way given that the extra thickness tends to be spread over about 2/3rds rather than the whole area of the device which makes the maximum thickness more than it might otherwise be and there are multiple layers of extra casing that wouldn’t be necessary if the battery inside the device was simply made bigger.

I do appreciate that not everyone is like me and that they want thinner and lighter. What I want takes those people in the wrong direction in the same way that what they want takes me in the wrong direction. Maybe one possible solution might be to, as well as releasing the regular lineup of iPhones also release a few XL (eXtra (battery) Life) variants, probably not for everything but maybe just offer Pro & Pro Max in slim 7.something mm thickness and XLnversions at maybe something in the 8.6 (11 Pro thickness) to 8.9mm (which would still be thinner than iPhone 4’s 9.5 mm thickness). I would buy a Pro Max XL in a heartbeat and pay a reasonable premium to get it. I wish Apple would at least try that for one year to see how it’s customer base splits between the 2 options. It’s worth remembering that for quite a long time Apple insisted that one screen size fitted everyone.

If Apple was ever to succumb to the calls (admittedly not from everyone) for reverse charging that makes internal battery capacity more important. Also, if Apple does go totally connector-less in 2021 or 2022 as has been rumoured in a few places then getting to multi-day battery life for average (not heavy) users making them able to go on weekend or ideally long weekend trips without needing to pack a wireless charger would be valuable too.

Of course just maybe one day some new battery technology will take this whole dilemma away. We’ve had innovation after innovation in the lab offering to double or even triple charge density for batteries but so far every one has either been too expensive, impractical to produce in volume, not able to sustain enough charge-discharge cycles, or not really practical in some other way. Hopefully eventually something will make it to market at an affordable price and change the whole equation but until that happens I suspect that this tension between those wanting lighter and thinner and those wanting more battery life will continue.
 
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