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Lounge vibes 05

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So many of these things are so massively overstated. The security aspect is just scaremongering, the support aspect of iOS too, some people who haven’t used outdated iOS versions have said “well, after the device loses support, it’s mostly unusable after two years”, which is... well, not true. Battery health is another aspect which is extremely and widely ballooned as if its influence on battery life were far larger than it is.
While this is all true, it should be noted that, as years go by, more and more features begin to break with older versions of iOS.
And I don’t even mean like multiple years old, I mean like… The last version.
Back in iOS 13, the Reminders architecture was totally changed, and as a result, all previous versions of Apple operating systems couldn’t access the new Reminders.
In iOS 16, there was a new Home app architecture introduced that broke compatibility with previous versions, meaning that if you weren’t on iOS 16/Ventura, you could no longer access your Smart home from the devices that weren’t updated.
All the new iMessage features introduced in the last year require every product to be updated, or else it won’t work on the older ones.
Not to mention, if you purchase any new Apple device like an Apple TV, AirPods, etc, you’re pretty much forced to update to allow it to pair properly.
Same with Apple watches, you can’t use a series 3 with any iOS 16 device.
For someone in the Apple ecosystem, keeping everything is up-to-date as possible is pretty much the only way to guarantee that basic functions aren’t broken.
Of course, if you don’t have a smart Home, and you don’t use iMessage, and the iPad is literally the only Apple device you have, none of this matters. But let’s not act like things on previous versions don’t break all the time.
 

FeliApple

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While this is all true, it should be noted that, as years go by, more and more features begin to break with older versions of iOS.
And I don’t even mean like multiple years old, I mean like… The last version.
Back in iOS 13, the Reminders architecture was totally changed, and as a result, all previous versions of Apple operating systems couldn’t access the new Reminders.
In iOS 16, there was a new Home app architecture introduced that broke compatibility with previous versions, meaning that if you weren’t on iOS 16/Ventura, you could no longer access your Smart home from the devices that weren’t updated.
All the new iMessage features introduced in the last year require every product to be updated, or else it won’t work on the older ones.
Not to mention, if you purchase any new Apple device like an Apple TV, AirPods, etc, you’re pretty much forced to update to allow it to pair properly.
Same with Apple watches, you can’t use a series 3 with any iOS 16 device.
For someone in the Apple ecosystem, keeping everything is up-to-date as possible is pretty much the only way to guarantee that basic functions aren’t broken.
Of course, if you don’t have a smart Home, and you don’t use iMessage, and the iPad is literally the only Apple device you have, none of this matters. But let’s not act like things on previous versions don’t break all the time.
This is all true, but what breaks or what it doesn’t work are new features (well, barring the Home example you mentioned).

With the staying behind approach, you must accept that new features will not be available. Due to how iOS updates work, you must accept that new features available in newer devices won’t be available in older devices.

I have an iPad Air 5 on iPadOS 15 and my iPhone is an iPhone Xʀ running iOS 12. I tried reminders, it said that new reminders on my iPad wouldn’t work on my iPhone. Shared notes with the new features of iPadOS 15 can be viewed on my iPhone, but I can’t see some parts because they require iOS 15 on my iPhone too.

New “shared” features won’t work. AirDrop through contact is coming in iOS 17. My iPhone Xʀ will never have that. I know that and I accept that. It’s one of the most important trade-offs, alongside eventual possible app compatibility issues. Those who stay behind must make a choice.

But just like it has drawbacks, it has very tangible advantages: no battery life issues, ever, regardless of battery health. No performance issues, no slowdowns. What works with older versions, works forever, flawlessly. Perhaps I can’t access new reminders on my iPhone, but regular reminders work, I tried it. Perhaps I can’t access parts of new shared notes, but shared notes without those features work properly. As long as the user accepts those little issues, the benefits are impossible to ignore.

Am I impervious to every single one of these issues? Of course not. Would I like to be able to update? Yes. But it’s not an option because I can’t tolerate performance and battery life degradation. I keep my devices for a long time (like I said, my iPhone is an iPhone Xʀ running iOS 12), and I would’ve thrown it in a lake if I had the battery life numbers that users report on iOS 16. But that’s me. Other people may not be able to contend with the disadvantages.

My recommendation? Try. You can always update. Always. Apple will always allow you to update to the latest supported version. Try staying behind and see what happens. See if you like the device’s working predictably and having predictable battery life. Then make a decision. Does it work for everyone? Of course not! In fact, you see people caving because of these compatibility issues and updating all the time. But you see people who figure ways around these things. Everyone is different and everyone tolerates different things. You’ll never know until you don’t try, especially after being burned by iOS updates.
 

Digitalguy

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I’m read Reddit post like this
https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/vq84gv
Seem like updated apple or android devices are still pretty safe.
A couple of great posts deserve to be copied:

"You're FAR more likely to get compromised through some sort of social engineering, data leak, or other mistake then through someone specifically targeting you with an unpatched vulnerability. Unless you're a very important person who has a legit reason to be targeted, you don't have any reason to worry about that.

Think of it this way: someone looking to get into accounts isn't going to put in extra effort to get into yours, they'll just move onto the next million accounts.

Use 2 factor, don't use the same passwords on everything, change your passwords every now and then (password managers help a lot here), don't click or download shady things, etc."


"Hacking a phone is much too trouble and hackers don't know whether there is any info to get. Scam and phishing is way more easy and profitable as most users are way more gullible and easier to exploit than the OS of the phone."
 
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TorontoJen

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I have an iPad 9th gen and love it. I use it for coursework and my business. I spend a lot of time in Split View on iAnnotate editing PDF's, and run an extra app on slide over too. It's a great iPad. I think a lot depends on your use case, but if it's just a consumption device, it's a great choice if you want to save a bit of money. If having the latest and greatest is important to you, then obviously it's not the one you should get.
 

sracer

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I have an iPad 9th gen and love it. I use it for coursework and my business. I spend a lot of time in Split View on iAnnotate editing PDF's, and run an extra app on slide over too. It's a great iPad. I think a lot depends on your use case, but if it's just a consumption device, it's a great choice if you want to save a bit of money. If having the latest and greatest is important to you, then obviously it's not the one you should get.
The 9th gen iPad is still the best tech bargain... period (regardless of manufacturer). I have the Apple Smart Keyboard for mine, and there's nothing that is as light and portable for getting work done comfortably, IMO.
 

supergt

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The best iPad is the cheapest one, full stop. Until Apple radically changes iPadOS to take advantage of the incredible power of the new chip sets (which they never will), there is almost no reason to spend vastly more money for very little gain.
 

Jacoblee23

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I found one like new on facebook market place for just $100. The seller was in a pinch and needed to get rid of it so that was their asking price. Come to find out it only had 14 battery cycles on it and is still under warranty. Probably the best deal I have ever gotten for an apple product. My kids use it for games and YouTube kids. Works great.
 

Populus

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I found one like new on facebook market place for just $100. The seller was in a pinch and needed to get rid of it so that was their asking price. Come to find out it only had 14 battery cycles on it and is still under warranty. Probably the best deal I have ever gotten for an apple product. My kids use it for games and YouTube kids. Works great.
That’s an awesome deal to be honest.
 

DaveTheRave

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I would not buy it, but if you had to then don’t pay Apple’s full price for old tech. Scan Amazon for deals, etc.
 

jm31828

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Sorry to revive an old thread, but for those that have the 9th gen, do any of you do video creation in iMovie or LumaFusion? If so, how is that for you- any hiccups at all? (especially in LumaFusion)

Is the 3GB RAM limitation really a concern for the foreseeable future for someone who does not multitask, but wants to use Facebook, Reddit, web browsing, and some rather light video creation in the apps mentioned above?
 

Corefile

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Is the 3GB RAM limitation really a concern for the foreseeable future for someone who does not multitask, but wants to use Facebook, Reddit, web browsing, and some rather light video creation in the apps mentioned above?
I have a 9th gen iPad and find that when it runs FB webpage that other tabs reload after I close FB. That might be due to FB being awful but it didn't used to do that. I only web browse with it as I don't think you get utility from trying to create content.
 
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iHorseHead

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Sorry to revive an old thread, but for those that have the 9th gen, do any of you do video creation in iMovie or LumaFusion? If so, how is that for you- any hiccups at all? (especially in LumaFusion)

Is the 3GB RAM limitation really a concern for the foreseeable future for someone who does not multitask, but wants to use Facebook, Reddit, web browsing, and some rather light video creation in the apps mentioned above?
iMovie is fine. I don't know about LumaFusion. iMovie is completely fine and it works well.
For me everything runs well, but battery life has gotten way worse. And I must say, the battery life has gotten worse on my MacBook Air M1 too and iPhone 12 as well. Ever since I upgraded to the newest versions everything's just draining and running out fast. Even my Apple Watch, so be aware of that.
 
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Torty

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Sorry to revive an old thread, but for those that have the 9th gen, do any of you do video creation in iMovie or LumaFusion? If so, how is that for you- any hiccups at all? (especially in LumaFusion)

Is the 3GB RAM limitation really a concern for the foreseeable future for someone who does not multitask, but wants to use Facebook, Reddit, web browsing, and some rather light video creation in the apps mentioned above?
I did some very light video creation with my Air 3 which has 3GB of RAM and iMovie (under 10 minutes of video) w/o any problem. Don't know what happens if you plan to work on much longer videos.
I often use numbers and safari in parallel which works fine too.
 

jm31828

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I did some very light video creation with my Air 3 which has 3GB of RAM and iMovie (under 10 minutes of video) w/o any problem. Don't know what happens if you plan to work on much longer videos.
I often use numbers and safari in parallel which works fine too.
Thanks for sharing!

I picked up a 9th gen iPad as well as an Air 5th gen since both are on sale right now (and have long return windows for the holidays) to determine which works best for me.

As a test, side by side I took a bunch of videos from my phone and transferred to both of the ipads, and put together a 9 minute video in iMovie with those clips.

The export/compilation was interesting- even though the Air has the much faster M1 chip, it was at most, maybe 20% faster on that export. The 9th gen held up really well, was closer in that comparison than I ever imagined it could be!

I have not yet tried LumaFusion, but on another thread I have read about people using it pretty heavily without any issue on even older hardware (8th gen).
 

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Thanks for sharing!

I picked up a 9th gen iPad as well as an Air 5th gen since both are on sale right now (and have long return windows for the holidays) to determine which works best for me.

As a test, side by side I took a bunch of videos from my phone and transferred to both of the ipads, and put together a 9 minute video in iMovie with those clips.

The export/compilation was interesting- even though the Air has the much faster M1 chip, it was at most, maybe 20% faster on that export. The 9th gen held up really well, was closer in that comparison than I ever imagined it could be!

I have not yet tried LumaFusion, but on another thread I have read about people using it pretty heavily without any issue on even older hardware (8th gen).
Interesting! The A13 is still a very capable chip, but honestly I’m pretty surprised that the difference between them was just a 20%. One would expect more difference when we take into account that the M1 more than doubles the memory (8GB vs 3 GB), and I’m pretty sure the M1 has a much faster SSD speed.

If you try luma fusion let us know how do they compare, now I’m really intrigued and other people reading this thread could benefit while the 9th gen is still on sale.
 

jm31828

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Interesting! The A13 is still a very capable chip, but honestly I’m pretty surprised that the difference between them was just a 20%. One would expect more difference when we take into account that the M1 more than doubles the memory (8GB vs 3 GB), and I’m pretty sure the M1 has a much faster SSD speed.

If you try luma fusion let us know how do they compare, now I’m really intrigued and other people reading this thread could benefit while the 9th gen is still on sale.
Yeah, I, too, would have expected a much wider gap in performance between these two.

To be fair, this was a rather simple movie export- I suppose if I was exporting in 4k or had multiple layers of audio, the M1 may pull further ahead?
But I am not advanced like that, my video creation is pretty basic stuff.

I will certainly share if I do pull the trigger on purchasing LumaFusion. (but again do want to note that I've been told by others who have even older devices- 8th gen- that LumaFusion blasts through even 4K video creation without breaking a sweat). But I would love to see it for myself, and will happily share if I do.
 
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