What? Tim Cook himself said that he expects a decline in sales in March quarter. Have you even read the earnings call? Or do you know something that Tim Cook doesn't?
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What? Tim Cook himself said that he expects a decline in sales in March quarter. Have you even read the earnings call? Or do you know something that Tim Cook doesn't?
I have never met anyone more loyal to a brand like you.
What? Has it happened yet? Apple could go bankrupt in the first quarter, anything can happen. But it's not a done deal until it's a done deal is my point. You are talking as if the march earnings call has already been announced.
Edit; it's not about loyalty it's about reality.
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"Apple revenue in the three months to 26 December was $75.9bn and net profit was $18.4bn, both of which are the highest ever recorded by the company"
Yes Tim Cook is expecting sales to decline but it hasn't happened yet which is what I7guy is referring to. However given the iPhone 7 wont be out till later in the year Cook will most likely be correct.
In short Apple is saying it is expecting tougher market conditions early this year but up until now continue to make records profits (profits not sales).
In the meantime Samsung fanboys are celebrating the increase in Samsung phone sales despite continued declines in profits. In other words sales of proper Samsung phone that we in the west care about are really falling. Instead they continue to sell their USD 100 models that we dont even know about.
But yes, it is likely everyone will see negative market conditions in the near term. Sony has said the same thing yesterday.
Yes Tim Cook is expecting sales to decline but it hasn't happened yet which is what I7guy is referring to. However given the iPhone 7 wont be out till later in the year Cook will most likely be correct.
In short Apple is saying it is expecting tougher market conditions early this year but up until now continue to make records profits (profits not sales).
In the meantime Samsung fanboys are celebrating the increase in Samsung phone sales despite continued declines in profits. In other words sales of proper Samsung phone that we in the west care about are really falling. Instead they continue to sell their USD 100 models that we dont even know about.
But yes, it is likely everyone will see negative market conditions in the near term. Sony has said the same thing yesterday.
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you must have missed the first thread post graphic... YoY sales are flat already...
Profits are another thing though. Apple continues to be one of the most profitable companies ever.
You and I have a different understanding of the word "guilty".Maybe you find it hard to believe because you think everything is about you. The being spoon fed the data comment I made made it clear who it was about.
Like I said, guilty conscience.
Maybe rather stick to making ludicrous claims...oh wait...
Nevermind, it's too late.
Nevertheless, I apologize for assuming you were talking about me.
Ha! That's a great point! Me thinks he fudged a little on those switchers data. The real data they reported does not support that claim!
I doubt it. Apple didn't get to this point by saying and doing stupid things. Besides you don't need a case to sue, only $50.
no, it means existing iphone costumers arent upgrading. sales=/=user base
sorry guys, nothings changed. you can expect 9/10 android oems to stop manufacturing phones in the next 3 years. except those 'gateway 50-100 bucks phones' oems, wearing the idc data proudly every year. there will always be people who refuse to shell out more money than an average dinner for two on a phone. im glad those people needs are serviced properly -.- so yeah, theres the market for android.
curious why nobody mentioned samsung profits were down 40%...
the rapidly degrading android oems ability to make large infrastructure/ buyout investments is driving phone market in the *******. and believe me, they are coming.
Luckily you got the apple upgrade program and we will see iphone shipment flying high...
Wow, clever
Hi, there.
I read this section of the forum a lot, since I use an Android device (I have my own reasons for that) and I just had this urge to register and answer this particular thread. I noticed your name on every thread of this sub-forum, and your big anti-Apple stance is obvious to anyone that isn't an hypocrite.
Is there anything wrong with being anti-Apple? Hell no! Maybe you got burned by one particular product, maybe one of your friends did, maybe you just have your own reasons to dislike the company so much. It's your right, and no one has anything to do with it. Just like it is your right to post on any forum, despite being extremely strange to post here constantly, given your stance on the company.
What isn't your or anyone's right, is disagreeing with facts. One of those facts is: The success of a company isn't tied to the number of smartphones they sell. Also, another fact is: Not all smartphones are used the same or worth the same.
Apple's iPhone sales growth might have plateaued, but they just reported the best corporate quarter of any public traded company, ever. Stands to reason that Apple is, at this time, the most successful public traded company of all time, regardless of your, mine, or anyone else's opinion. Besides, because of Apple massive scale, they can stop selling iPhones today and still be more successful than any of the companies on that list, even Google. Just use a bit of math, all of that small "%" in Apple's financial pie-charts show a business that is way bigger than Alphabet ever was. But let's not fool ourselves, despite all the misinformation, the iPhone userbase numbers are just going up. That's a fact.
What is also a fact, and proves that you have absolutely no idea of what you are talking about, are Samsung numbers. Despite what you love to insinuate, 1 or 2 years ago Samsung Mobile was a juggernaut, but today the semi-section of the conglomerate is rapid approaching "worthless garbage" status, or better yet: "profitless worthless garbage status". You can verify this by reading (and, also as important, understanding it!) their latest quarterly financial statement. But guess what, at least they sold more phones, so they have that going for them...
So, if Samsung Mobile sold more phones, why did they become such a disposable company? Well, that's because (and this might hurt people that, like you, share an Anti-Apple stance, regardless of their (possibly legitimate) reasons), reality is a bitch. Market share, by itself, is an useless metric. Samsung's Galaxy S and Note lines were absolutely annihilated when Apple released the 6 series. Consumers see absolutely no value on high end Samsung devices, and they are right. As such, despite higher sales, Samsung's ASP dived to 200 $, profits dived to 1B$ (and will keep reaching rock bottom, and then go to red). So, because reality is a bitch, this tell's us that Samsung only sells cheap phones, now.
Consumers that are willing to buy flagships are, more than ever, choosing iPhones. Sales are dropping because upgrade intervals are growing.
Mobile divisions losing money/profitless, as their latest financial statements:
-LG;
-Sony;
-HTC;
-Lenovo and Motorola;
-Microsoft;
And soon, Samsung. But hey, great job Samsung. For some of the couch analysts on this thread, it's better to sell more cheaper, lower quality and profitless gadgets than flagship phones. As such, the companies losing money are the ones that are actually "winning", while the one that has the strongest mobile ecosystem* and is, as of right now, the most successful company of all time is "losing".
Yeah... about that... Sorry but no. iPhone sales could decline, and decline, and decline... And Apple would still be more valuable than all of those companies together. In fact, all of those would trade their situation with Apple's, if they could. That's reality, and can be hard to swallow, for some.
*(even if some here have the unpopular (because the market sees the oposity and wants iPhones, and only iPhones are worthy of flagship prices. Their mobile usage also validates this situation) opinion that iPhones aren't better than Android devices, you will have to deal with the fact that Android is worthless on tablets, and no part of the ecosystem is present on PCs).
To the OP, don't bother answering this. I didn't share any opinion, just facts, and there's nothing to be proved "right or wrong". In fact, since you have such distorted of the market, I don't even care about a possible answer.
I'm just getting ready to drop my Android phone and go all in with Apple. That A9 and hassle free upgrades, without needing greenify and apps like pushbullet and adaway to do what the OS should do, out of the box.... Me wants it.
Personal portions of the post aside, the facts of the post are exactly correct. If your unit profit is lowered to the point where you are slightly losing money with each shipment to gain market share, you get Samsung's situation. But even more interesting is they don't report sales in these things--only shipments. Either way, you want to be the big dog in the profit share not market share.
I don't care what he uses, or says he uses. That tells me nothing. I fail to see how that's relevant?
I have no particular affinity to Android, despite using it, and with time I learned to absolutely dislike it (not as a standalone product, just in comparison with iOS). I will be an iPhone user soon, but that's also irrelevant for the point that I made:
- He has a very "strange" view of reality and the market. Selling more cheap smartphones while getting destroyed on those high end sales, and see profits disappear (and I'm not talking going to extremely lucrative to just "healthy", I'm talking about profits of the division skydiving and soon, due to economies of scale, they will be in "red") can only be considered a success on the minds of people that have a distorted notion of good and bad.
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... And have a strong ecosystem. All of those companies are "disposable" and profitless pawns, only Google and Apple have ecosystems, so they can't be considered successful at all, with that lack of profit.
Besides, between both ecosystems, one is an extremely lucrative one, with users willing to pay for quality of hardware and software, with a stable and established system of updates (features and security) and high levels of adoption and consequent dev support.
The other is Android. The only relevant thing that the data from IDC tells, together with financial reports, is that the difference between ecosystems will accelerate, since Apple has almost all profits and high end/flagships sales, and all other OEMs are in dire financial situations.
But hey, "winning". What do I know...
You stated earlier he was anti-apple, and he's not. Again, his previous posts state this. He and along with other (including myself) feel that some Apple users just need to step outside their bubbles. In which this case, you have, by owning a Android device. Now, you didn't like the Android experience and that's fair but to state that it doesn't matter what he uses and how it's relevant to how you like or dislike something is silly. You obviously have to try something to have an opinion.
And you're quick to point fingers on how he's bashing apple but failed to realized that you're bashing him and others for having an opinion.
And really, who cares about what sells best and what doesn't. The beauty of this big picture is, we have a choice.
/btw, before you get "creative" enough to throw me in this discussion, let me give you some background info:
- I use a 15" macbook pro for work.
- I have a windows 10 Rig at home in which I use for rendering video's.
- own and use a iP6S+ and Note 5; I love both experiences but tend to lean towards Android.
- and, I also own a iPad mini which I use for streaming music.
/Jamezr, in case you feel I have stepped over my boundaries and should have not butted in, I apologize.
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Okay...stepping outside the bubble has nothing to do with the sales/market data being discussed in this thread. however, for the record, I have a Desktop Win/Mac machine, two other Windows 10 boxes (for the fam), two iPad Air 2's for the kids, and an iPad Pro. My wife and I currently have iPhones.
In the past couple of years I have had a surface pro 2, surface pro 3, MacBook Pro, Galaxy Note 3, etc.
So I am not sure what bubble that needs to be stepped out of. Does Apple do everything perfect? Absolutely not. I want a gaming rig, so don't ask me too many questions about the nature of my Mac/Win machine. It is the only cost effective way to have a gaming rig that can run Mac software (which I love due to its similarities with Linux). There is a large gaping wound for gamers that love Macs. Apple is definitely not perfect. And I also agree that people should use what they like. What is your real point here?
Finally (to bring this full circle) Apple are very profitable when it comes to the smartphone market--which is the purpose of this thread right?
Agreed.
But I also believe that a majority of Apple fans have never used a Android device so that's what I meant by stepping outside the bubble.
I have noticed I've contributed to the derailment of this thread so I'll stop here.
It does not matter. Nearly all PC maker aren't making much money and I have yet to see major brand quit the PC market.
There will always be Android phone makers. And what is good when only Apple is only one left? Consumers won't benefit given the greedyness of Apple.
Sorry if my posts upset your Apple fandom. I don't feel the need to defend myself but I am going to anyway.
If as you say...you READ this forum. Then you would know I have a house full of Apple products. I am writing this on my iMac and I also have a rMBP, 3 ipads in the house, 2TB Time Capsule and an iPhone 6s+. I have had every iPhone except for the first one. I have had the 6, 6+, 6s, 6s+recently. So can't say i'm an Apple hater because I sure support them by buying their products! Then also the countless accessories for these Apple products. I will no doubt get the iPhone 7 when it is out later this year.
But having those products will not stop me from voicing my opinions when I think Apple is out of line. I will not stop to combat the countless blind Apple fanboys who continually post mis-information in this forums.
You know who they are the countless mindless fanboys who think somehow Apple invented everything. The fanboys that think somehow every phone released is a copy of the iphone.
The fanboys who blasted Android phones because they bested them on all benchmarks. Stating benchmarks don't mean anything...it's all user experience.
Then when the A9 bested all the Android phones......yep here they came....bragging about how great the A9 was and how it was the fastest chipset on the market. All of a sudden benchmarks matter again! Who would have figured!!!
Then of course there is the countless fanboys who brag about sales....except Android is the smartphone leader in sales and marketshare worldwide. But you can cling to profits! Apple is one of it not the most profitable company in the world.
I can go own but I am bored with you already. You the Android user who wants to ditch Android and go with an iPhone. Awesome! The iphone is a great phone!
But as most of you do....you got take a couple pot shots on your way out.
Here is a thought pedrom...if you don't like my posts.....put me on ignore. Problem solved!
have a good life buddy.....
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So sales are sales unless they meet high end status? How very arrogant of you. Low end sales don't count? Tell that to the people that can't afford a high end phone. Typical Apple fan mindset.
Sales are sale buddy...they all factor into total sales for a company. I am sure you would rather have only portion of the reported sales count when comparing them to Apple huh? wouldn't that be nice for you? Would that bring balance back to your Apple point of view? Awww...let's not count all sales...just some sales so Apple can win the sales battle and you can feel better about it.
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Sorry if my posts upset your Apple fandom. I don't feel the need to defend myself but I am going to anyway.
If as you say...you READ this forum. Then you would know I have a house full of Apple products. I am writing this on my iMac and I also have a rMBP, 3 ipads in the house, 2TB Time Capsule and an iPhone 6s+. I have had every iPhone except for the first one. I have had the 6, 6+, 6s, 6s+recently. Then also the countless accessories for these Apple products. I will no doubt get the iPhone 7 when it is out later this year.
But having those products will not stop me from voicing my opinions when I think Apple is out of line. I will not stop to combat the countless blind Apple fanboys who continually post mis-information in this forums.
You know who they are the countless mindless fanboys who think somehow Apple invented everything. The fanboys that think somehow every phone released is a copy of the iphone.
The fanboys who blasted Android phones because they bested them on all benchmarks. Stating benchmarkes don't mean anything...it's all user experience.
Then when the A9 bested all the Android phones......yep here they came....bragging about how great the A9 was and how it was the fastest chipset on the market. All of a sudden benchmarks matter again! Who would have figured!!!
Then of course there is the countless fanboys who brag about sales....except Android is the smartphone leader in sales and marketshare worldwide. But you can cling to profits! Apple is one of it not the most profitable company in the world.
I can go own but I am bored with you already. You the Android user who wants to ditch Android and go with an iPhone. Awesome! The iphone is a great phone!
But as most of you do....you got take a couple pot shots on your way out.
Here is a thought pedrom...if you don't like my posts.....put me on ignore. Problem solved!
have a good life buddy.....
Typical Apple fanbiy fashion:
1. When Apple is dominate the market, they laugh at competitor's marketshare and claim Apple is best becuase it sells the most phone. When Apple is not dominate the market, they claim marketshare is not important, user experience is the most important and claim competitors' stuff offer inferior user experience.
2. When Apple's product offers higher benchmark, then Apple fanboys wants everyone in the earth know how competitors sucks. When competitors' product gets higher benchmark score, they claim iPhone has only dual core and benchmark does not mattet. It is the real user experience.
3. They all think Android and Windows are still in Android 2.0 and Windows XP stage. They absoultely refuse that Android and Windows has came long way. Right now, Android is absoultely comparable with iOS and Windows offers more compelling features than OS X.
And the list can go on forever.
What am I going to say is that iPhone's marketshare will continue sliding with all these midrange smartphone offering compelling product with lower price point. Though it is not gonna be end of world for Apple. There is no reason for Apple fans going attacking Apple's competitor. Frankly, I don't see how Apple making billions of dollars gonna affect us in any shape and form.
Apple and its fanboys need recognize that Apple is facing tough competitions and should wake up from their dreamland.
You do realize that stock value is the determining factor on overall profitability of a publicly traded company? If iPhone sales decline, the entire value of Apple crumbles, because Apple is literally a one product company. Look at the current situation over the last month as a prime example. Not many companies could lose $70 billion in market cap and still be okay. Of course, this allowed Google/Alphabet to swoop on in and claim the rights as most valuable company in the world. Diversification is key here. Not depending on a single product ensures you never go under or lose billions of dollars in valuation when hardware saturation hits. Apple's forecast does not look pretty until the end of this year when the next iPhone comes out. Wonder how many billions will be stripped from their stock between now and September?
P.S. Samsung could sell 5 phones a year and still be fine. They make a ton of cash from their personal foundries to produce silicone and displays for iPhones. They make cash in producing and developing tech for TV's, fridges, microwaves, large cargo haulers, weapon systems and so forth.
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