Smartphone sales data from IDC

[yellowscreen]

Apple R&D expenditure is towards the bottom. Guess where Samsung is and why their products are the best?

first, your data is wrong per SEC filings

second, i would prefer you dont include fridges and silicon wafers, chips, flash memory, hard drives, batteries, screens in the same category as phones and computers

also, market is the one deciding which products are the best relative to the price they demand.

we've been over this economics 101 before, should we go over it one more time?

 

[jamezr]

first, your data is wrong per SEC filings

second, i would prefer you dont include fridges and silicon wafers, chips, flash memory, hard drives, batteries, screens in the same category as phones and computers

also, market is the one deciding which products are the best relative to the price they demand.

we've been over this economics 101 before, should we go over it one more time?

Oh...so the market determines what product is best? So then if Samsung sells more phones than Apple that means they have the best products! Glad you could clear that up for us!

 

[Truefan31]

Oh...so the market determines what product is best? So then if Samsung sells more phones than Apple that means they have the best products! Glad you could clear that up for us!

I thought Samsung and Apple were companies. That make products. So are u saying the iPhone is the best because it's the best selling flagship smartphone? Glad you could clear that up too.

Guess you could say Samsung makes the best low end and non profitable since they sell so many of those right?

 

[jamezr]

I thought Samsung and Apple were companies. That make products. So are u saying the iPhone is the best because it's the best selling flagship smartphone? Glad you could clear that up too.

nope...read the post i quoted....then read my reply. Now do you see?

yellowscreen said the market determines what products are best. So since Samsung sells more phones than Apple does that mean Samsung phones are better?
Just going by yellowscreen's analogy.
If you disagree take it up with him

 

[Truefan31]

nope...read the post i quoted....then read my reply. Now do you see?

yellowscreen said the market determines what products are best. So since Samsung sells more phones than Apple does that mean Samsung phones are better?
Just going by yellowscreen's analogy.
If you disagree take it up with him

If the market determines what products are best then the iPhone is the best flagship smartphone since it sells the most. It's a product.

So Samsung can claim they make the best low end and zero profitable phones since they sell so many of them.

 

[jamezr]

If the market determines what products are best then the iPhone is the best flagship smartphone since it sells the most. It's a product.

sure it is the single best selling phone model in the world. But then Samsung sells more phones than Apple does so does that mean they are better products? According to yellowscreen the market decides what is the best products. So if Samsung sells more phones...using his analogy...they are better phones.

 

[Truefan31]

sure it is the single best selling phone model in the world. But then Samsung sells more phones than Apple does so does that mean they are better products? According to yellowscreen the market decides what is the best products. So if Samsung sells more phones...using his analogy...they are better phones.

You're lumping the term product as a category. There are categories within a group like phones. Whether you think Samsung as a company is better or not is subjective but his point is that if the market buys more iPhones than any other flagship phone then his point is that it's a more successful product.

 

[jamezr]

You're lumping the term product as a category. There are categories within a group like phones. Whether you think Samsung as a company is better or not is subjective but his point is that if the market buys more iPhones than any other flagship phone then his point is that it's a more successful product.

sure....then using the same analogy....who sells more products? Then that would make them better products as a whole. Alos the metrics from the data in the original post is not about one single product. But products...being smartphones.

 

[Truefan31]

sure....then using the same analogy....who sells more products? Then that would make them better products as a whole. Alos the metrics from the data in the original post is not about one single product. But products...being smartphones.

You're missing his point then. I know you want to chart grouping all the multitudes of phones Samsung sells and that's fine but in reality Samsung mobile is in a bleaker position. Apple showed limited growth but it's still a better position than Samsung mobile.

 

[jamezr]

You're missing his point then. I know you want to chart grouping all the multitudes of phones Samsung sells and that's fine but in reality Samsung mobile is in a bleaker position. Apple showed limited growth but it's still a better position than Samsung mobile.

That might be true. But again that is not what the metric shows. the metris shows sales data in the smartphone category. That is not what the poster i replied to said in the analogy that started you and I having this discussion.
His analogy was that the market (meaning sales) determines what products are better than others.

If you have a problem with the analogy...take it up with the original poster of that analogy.

 

[aneftp]

Just remember Nokia was the leader in phone sales. They had the profit margins of their high end phones and the volume of their budget phones.

Once Apple (and Samsung) took the high end smartphone profits. Nokia was dead in the water cause it just couldn't survive selling $50-70 flip phones.

So I wouldn't rely much on data how much volume of phones one company sells. Need to have profit as well.

 

[jamezr]

Just remember Nokia was the leader in phone sales. They had the profit margins of their high end phones and the volume of their budget phones.

Once Apple (and Samsung) took the high end smartphone profits. Nokia was dead in the water cause it just couldn't survive selling $50-70 flip phones.

So I wouldn't rely much on data how much volume of phones one company sells. Need to have profit as well.

I agree with you. Nokia did not have anything else to fall back on other than phone sales.

 

[GadgetSN]

No the big mac is cheap. At £600+ for the iphone, they shouldn't be selling as many as they do. Given the worlds low average salaries it is amazing how many phones they sell. Of course we all know it is credit.

In the smartphone market the price range tops out around the iphone prices (ignoring Vertu). They are anything but a big mac.

A £10 Samsung phone on the other hand is a Big Mac. The iphone is fine dining with a credit card.

 

[2298754]

Where are all those people who used to claim that Samsung will suffer a rapid decline because they made junk?

The market knows Samsung makes the best Android phones in the business and these numbers prove that. Year after year, it's the same thing...

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

I'm trying to remember the last year when Samsung didn't sell more mobile phones than Apple?

The good thing with Samsung is whatever your budget, you can find a phone to suit it from their range. With Apple you pretty much have to pay out a chunk of cash and then spend a significant amount each month on contract.

It's good to see Samsung have upped their game and are once again challenging in the high end market with Apple. 2014 in particular was pretty shaky at times and they struggled against an iPhone 5S at the end of its first year! I think the S7 and iPhone 7 will be more closely matched this year perhaps in appeal.

 

[yellowscreen]

Where are all those people who used to claim that Samsung will suffer a rapid decline because they made junk?

The market knows Samsung makes the best Android phones in the business and these numbers prove that. Year after year, it's the same thing...

im not sure you heard, but samsung did suffer a major decline, especially in the last quarter. 40% lower profits YoY. imagine the reaction of wall street if that happened to apple? but when it happens to samsung its business as usual, because hey they ship a lot of numbers. they are a shipbuilding company after all arent they?

 

[pedrom]

Are these guys sarcastic? 2 years ago Samsung Electronics was closing in on Apple, as far as profit goes, fueled by the juggernaut that was Samsung Mobile. Because they sold high end phones.

Today, Samsung Mobile is close to profitless and a failure, with average selling prices bellow 200 dollars.

Success? Yupi?

Samsung would just love to sell less 90 millions phones but 5 million more S6s! But these guys can't see that. Sad. There's nothing to discuss with people like that. Let them go and change some ROMs.

 

[Surf Donkey]

I can predict the next several posts.

LOL..... **next serveral pages of posts.

 

[mi7chy]

Nice try FUDsters but any smart consumer knows that the latest iPhones are comparable to mid range Android phones with worse display technology, less DRAM, 16GB vs 32GB base flash storage size, worse camera, lack of precision pen option, no wireless charging, etc. but sold with a ridiculous profit margin. I'll take a Note 5 any day but do say where I can get it for $200 full price since I'll pick up several at that price. lol

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Nice try FUDsters but any smart consumer knows that the latest iPhones are comparable to mid range Android phones with worse display technology, DRAM size, base flash storage size, camera, lack of precision pen option, etc. but sold with a ridiculous profit margin.

I'd like to think smart consumers are a lot more clued up than you give them credit for. If your claims were that black and white, surely the iPhone would be a really poor seller generally? There must be something that appeals to the extent that makes the iPhone one of the best sellers in the flagship market. You are right the iPhone has a huge mark up, but a crap phone doesn't sell at an inflated price regardless of how much marketing it receives. What would you suggest makes the iPhone different to a mid range Android phone if in your opinion it is comparable?

 

[Surf Donkey]

I'd like to think smart consumers are a lot more clued up than you give them credit for. If your claims were that black and white, surely the iPhone would be a really poor seller generally? There must be something that appeals to the extent that makes the iPhone one of the best sellers in the flagship market.

I totally agree that there are mostly exaggerated claims here. But there is one bullet point that is glaring to consumer cluelessness : $749 for a phone with 16GB non-expandable memory. One would have to be absolutely blind with Apples in their eyes to justify that price point, I don't care what else the phone has in comparison.

 

[mi7chy]

It's not much different from buying a new car. Decide between a Lexus (South Korean quality equivalent to Japanese) with full luxury options at close to invoice or take a chance on a Chinese brand base model with high markup? It's not rocket science. lol

 

[Truefan31]

It's not much different from buying a new car. Decide between a Lexus (South Korean quality equivalent to Japanese) with full luxury options at close to invoice or take a chance on a Chinese brand base model with high markup? It's not rocket science. lol

Lexus IS Japanese. And your analogy still doesn't work.

 

[yellowscreen]

I totally agree that there are mostly exaggerated claims here. But there is one bullet point that is glaring to consumer cluelessness : $749 for a phone with 16GB non-expandable memory. One would have to be absolutely blind with Apples in their eyes to justify that price point, I don't care what else the phone has in comparison.

you do understand that 750$ isnt the same for everyone? some people earn more some people earn less.

its the same thing as saying all people buying 100000 dollar cars are idiots because they can have the same at 50000. some people have more money and different value system than others.

and what is there to justify? people are eating dinners at the same price point, per person

this is a sickness thats everywhere: I I I I I I I I I and ONLY I I I I I I

i think

i feel

i this

i that

read my words, slowly, few hundred times: nobody cares, nobody

and you know what? regariding those cars.. almost everybody would have 100000bucks car if they had the money. the same applies with the iphone. the 'value' systems kicks in when you dont have enough for your wants and needs so you need to choose

 

[mi7chy]

Lol. Keep moving the goal posts.