Sidebar Sidebar
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.

Snow Leopard Installation Downgrades Flash Player to Vulnerable Version

MACdaddy859 said:
How is snow Leopard? Is it worth the upgrade?
Click to expand...

It's OK.... when things work with it. The OS works well for me, but stuff like CS3 and VLC and DVD Player bomb arbitrarily and frequently.

The price is right, but you should all wait for an update into .1 or .2 before getting it. There is nothing you can't live without on SL.

Knowing Mac, they'll be inundated with all the error messages by now and are beavering away at the big fixes so they can have a version to work nicely with the hardware coming onto market within the next 2 weeks.

No matter when they release an OS, they have a LOT of problems to fix. Apple, nor any company, have the breadth of use in their departments to find all the problems normal people will through their widely varied usage. Bitching about the flakey OS first release is useless: it's going to happen every time. Just stand back for a month and let Apple sort it all out before you purchase or install.
 
oh no...can't print now from Safari since I upgrade Flash....help!

I'm not sure how responsible this article is....is there a possible reason why apple didn't include this latest update? Remember, Safari is not an extension of Flash...Flash is an extension/plugin of Safari.

I just followed the instructions on this article and upgraded but now I can print from Safari???? I can still print from Firefox but now Safari is acting up. Now when I print and nothing happens and try to quit...check out the image I'm attaching....it allows me to quit but the altert does not display right. This is very frustrating because I know just yesterday I had printed 4 pages in Safari and now suddenly it doesn't work seconds after upgrading my flash.

I'm going to try to restart my computer.

Is there a possible connection???:
 

Attachments

  • Screen shot 2009-09-03 at 9.51.23 AM.png
    Screen shot 2009-09-03 at 9.51.23 AM.png
    16.8 KB · Views: 96
Tommigun said:
Even this is forgiven when it's Apple, but had it been MS people would have gone mad. Do you not understand what this means? This means that 3rd party software is PURPOSEFULLY downgraded by the installer, without checking the version number first. Smells like an Apple hates Macromedia thing to me, as I am fairly certain the installer checks the version number of every other piece of software before downgrading it.

I think Apple wanted these news. You people will just turn them to "Flash being unsafe, thank you Apple". It's a conspiracy!
Click to expand...

You people don't get it.

We're not talking about a system update deciding to downgrade some third-party software. That would, indeed, suck.

We're talking about an OS REINSTALL. News flash, when you reinstall your OS, software that is bundled with the OS (like, say, browser plugins) overwrites the other version. If you've upgraded CUPS to the latest HEAD version on your system, installing a NEW OS is going to overwrite it.

What part of "Operating System installation" do people not understand? If you want to be sure that you're really, truly, only touching the OS and not the usual, tangentially-attached software, it's YOUR responsibility to do so by not blindly choosing the default install.

This is so moronic, even for the internet, that I'm sort of flabbergasted.
 
The Razor said:
Absolutely not. I purchased it along with a brand new Mac Pro. I was using Leopard for about a week until Snow came in. Nothing but beauty from Leopard, with Snow- nothing but problems.
-cannot access PowerPoint
-shuts down randomly and restarts
-cannot link with Network server adequately
-Illustrator does this weird graphics thing if I nudge an item

Individually nothing serious, but overall, sucks ass. DO NOT BUY SNOW LEOPARD.
At least til they figure out their issues.
Click to expand...

As another poster has already pointed out, have you actually looked up any of the problems you were experiencing before indulging in your rant? Even without doing any research I can probably guess that you have an old version of Powerpoint and that it needs Rosetta to run it.

Yes, sometimes a new OS causes problems, but why is it that just because YOU have problems (some of which are your own responsibility) you feel the need to tell everyone else that SN will "suck ass" on everybody else's machine?

Personally, I've had no problems whatsoever with SL, and although the external changes are very slight, have generally found it to be faster and tighter than Leopard, so for me worth the upgrade.
 
I don't see any malicious intent by Apple. The Snow Leopard RTM build is using the version of Flash that was available when the OS was being built (before the beta's began, and before the vulnerability was found). It's not easy to upgrade a component that late in testing. I agree that they made a big mistake here and by including Flash in the default install, they need to own the solution.
Frankly, I don't feel that Apple had any business even including Flash. They should have just prompted the user to install once they visited a page requiring Flash.
 
Apple did drop the ball on this one, it's all right for us who keep up to date with tech news but it is unlikely that the majority of users will ever know they are running an outdated version and will not update.
 
yetanotherdave said:
Go to adobe's website, it will tell you there on the flash player install page.
Click to expand...

Thanks!

I tells me I have version 10,0,22,87 installed.

I was never even aware that I need to install this stuff from Adobe. :eek:
Run Leopard with all Security Updates applied, and I find it kind of lame that Apple does not update the stuff it ships on their computers.
 
Flash is so crash happy on my SL system. During the development process, 10A421a is when the Safari hangs and Flash crashes started happening. I don't know what changed in that build, but it hasn't improved much in 10A432.
 
Detektiv-Pinky said:
Thanks!

I tells me I have version 10,0,22,87 installed.

I was never even aware that I need to install this stuff from Adobe. :eek:
Run Leopard with all Security Updates applied, and I find it kind of lame that Apple does not update the stuff it ships on their computers.
Click to expand...

Let me ask you this: How could they possibly automatically update software that doesn't even seem to have a mechanism for updating itself?
 
Tommigun said:
Even this is forgiven when it's Apple, but had it been MS people would have gone mad. Do you not understand what this means? This means that 3rd party software is PURPOSEFULLY downgraded by the installer, without checking the version number first. Smells like an Apple hates Macromedia thing to me, as I am fairly certain the installer checks the version number of every other piece of software before downgrading it.

I think Apple wanted these news. You people will just turn them to "Flash being unsafe, thank you Apple". It's a conspiracy!
Click to expand...

Welcome to the "Java world in OS X", Flash player users! :eek: (schaudenfreude)
It is probably not done on purpose, and that's probably the revision SL was thoroughly tested with, anyway. Or maybe, Adobe is to blame? They are kind of slow ... (puts on flaming suit).
 
Hrm, good thing I haven't updated to Snow Leopard yet (will probably do it tomorrow though). I don't like Flash much but it is very popular for streaming media etc. so I really do need it to be safe.

I'm surprised at such a slip-up though, the patched version was released in a security update wasn't it? And it's been out for a while now.
 
coleridge78 said:
You people don't get it.

We're not talking about a system update deciding to downgrade some third-party software. That would, indeed, suck.

We're talking about an OS REINSTALL. News flash, when you reinstall your OS, software that is bundled with the OS (like, say, browser plugins) overwrites the other version. If you've upgraded CUPS to the latest HEAD version on your system, installing a NEW OS is going to overwrite it.

What part of "Operating System installation" do people not understand? If you want to be sure that you're really, truly, only touching the OS and not the usual, tangentially-attached software, it's YOUR responsibility to do so by not blindly choosing the default install.

This is so moronic, even for the internet, that I'm sort of flabbergasted.
Click to expand...

What is so hard to understand?
They ship it as part of their OS. So it stops beeing a third-party, user-responsible tool.

They should update it with the rest of the OS update procedure. End of sentence!
 
pcguru83 said:
Ummmm, no. Flash is a horrible resource hog on all platforms, but it's exacerbated even further in OS X.
Click to expand...

Funny how I only hear Mac users complaining about Flash. It's a very Mac-ish, chic and elite thing to complain about Flash I suppose. And don't flatter yourself by saying that you are more technically inclined than Windows and Linux users, it'd just be sad.
 
coleridge78 said:
Let me ask you this: How could they possibly automatically update software that doesn't even seem to have a mechanism for updating itself?
Click to expand...

Hello? Anybody home?
How does Apple normally update software installed on Mac's?
I never installed Flash myself. It came pre-installed as part of the OS by Apple.

I guess it is similar to the Java issue. They choose to run their own builds that are a number of versions behind everybody else.

No wonder that Apple computers are the firsts that get cracked at those 'Hacker-contests'...
 
Detektiv-Pinky said:
What is so hard to understand?
They ship it as part of their OS. So it stops beeing a third-party, user-responsible tool.

They should update it with the rest of the OS update procedure. End of sentence!
Click to expand...

You may have missed, earlier in the thread, the point that Flash *never updates unless the user does it*. That has nothing to do with Apple, it's the fault of the owner of the software--Adobe. If Apple were to update it automatically, they'd have to come up with some sort of hack that:

1. Would not work reliably;
2. Might very well violate Adobe's ownership rights, or their distribution contract.

It's unfortunate that the first copies of SL were printed before getting in this update, but it would be a total non-issue if Adobe weren't total idiots and had Flash be responsible for its own security updates, as *every competent piece of internet software in the universe* is.
 
I can't print now!

Is anyone else who upgraded Flash dealing with this?????

Now safari semi-crashes when I go to print....seconds after installing the current Flash update????
 
Is the "latest" Flash version from Adobe Snow Leopard compatible? I remember when upgrading to Leopard you had to use the bundled version for some time until Adobe released a new one.
 
coleridge78 said:
You may have missed, earlier in the thread, the point that Flash *never updates unless the user does it*. That has nothing to do with Apple, it's the fault of the owner of the software--Adobe. If Apple were to update it automatically, they'd have to come up with some sort of hack that:

1. Would not work reliably;
2. Might very well violate Adobe's ownership rights, or their distribution contract.

It's unfortunate that the first copies of SL were printed before getting in this update, but it would be a total non-issue if Adobe weren't total idiots and had Flash be responsible for its own security updates, as *every competent piece of internet software in the universe* is.
Click to expand...

And you missed what I said:

I never installed Adobe Flash Player myself!
Apple did this for me as part of the OS install.
They also installed Java and a lot of tools from BSD, GNU and other sources.

Am I now responsible to individually update all these tools?
I say NO!
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.
Top Bottom
Back