Phones So, I can pay $650 for just an iPhone or $550 for a Galaxy Nexus PLUS Nexus tablet?!

[Big.Mac.Daddy]

Another reason why Google is a much better company to purchase mobile devices from: Software Updates.

Apple makes its profits from hardware sales so it price gouges the customer AND withholds software features to make you purchase new hardware. Turn-by-turn navigation being withheld from the iPhone 4 anyone?

With Google you get a company that isn't trying to make money off of hardware, simply gain market share, so they don't artificially withhold software features to get you to upgrade. You get the full OS update without limitations.

 

[cyks]

Another reason why Google is a much better company to purchase mobile devices from: Software Updates.

Apple makes its profits from hardware sales so it price gouges the customer AND withholds software features to make you purchase new hardware. Turn-by-turn navigation being withheld from the iPhone 4 anyone?

With Google you get a company that isn't trying to make money off of hardware, simply gain market share, so they don't artificially withhold software features to get you to upgrade.

How many 3 year old phones running Android get updates? For that matter, how many phones in general can upgrade to ICS (without rooting)?

 

[Big.Mac.Daddy]

How many 3 year old phones running Android get updates? For that matter, how many phones in general can upgrade to ICS (without rooting)?

Not the point.

At least Google doesn't make up B.S. excuses about older hardware supposedly not supporting new OS features just so they can rip you off for another $650.

Googles Nexus line isn't about making profits off hardware and withholding features from you (unlike Apple), it's simply to make a pure experience to gain market share by having the best product.

 

[cyks]

Not the point.

At least Google doesn't make up B.S. excuses about older hardware supposedly not supporting new OS features just so they can rip you off for another $650.

Googles Nexus line isn't about making profits off hardware and withholding features from you (unlike Apple), it's simply to make a pure experience to gain market share by having the best product.

So, by your reasoning, it's better to not update at all (or promise updates and never deliver in some cases) than to offer practically full upgrades for years with only a few limitations. Interesting.

 

[Big.Mac.Daddy]

So, by your reasoning, it's better to not update at all (or promise updates and never deliver in some cases) than to offer practically full upgrades for years with only a few limitations. Interesting.

Give a specific example regarding the Nexus line like I did with the iPhone 4 and stop talking fluff in generalities.

As for updates: Yes, I'd rather have a company not lie to my face about older hardware supposedly not supporting software features that the older hardware (iPhone 4 w/ turn by turn navigation, Siri, etc) is perfectly capable of running just so they can rip me off for another $650 for the newest hardware.

 

[PhoneI]

its dpi is not far off. 216 dpi vs about 260 for the ipad. The ipad 2 was only 130. 216 for a tablet is more than enough. The problem is that apple was forced to double the pixel density because of limitations to their OS. They had to make many compromises in heat and performance to due so. They also had to use a battery twice as large and still had worse battery life.

Ah, it's the old my device of choice has worse specs, so what I will do is declare this spec isn't important to try to prove my device is better.

I will take the iPad 3 screen over any other mobile device screen on any other device. It's really not even that close.

 

[Redjericho]

That's like saying I could buy an Xbox 360 or I could buy a playstation 1 and playstation 2, two inferior pieces of hardware don't add up to a superior piece of hardware.

 

[depths]

So, by your reasoning, it's better to not update at all (or promise updates and never deliver in some cases) than to offer practically full upgrades for years with only a few limitations. Interesting.

You need to understand that it's not Google that is delaying updates, it's the carriers and manufacturers. As soon as the AOSP update is available from Google you can flash it or wait for an OTA update.

At least that is the case with Nexus devices and it is one of their primary strengths.

Google is rumoured to be teaming up with manufacturers to release a variety of Nexus devices towards the end of the year and this will give customers the freedom to purchase a device that best suits their needs and avoid lenghty delays imposed by manufacturers and carriers.

Older hardware is always going to be left behind eventuality due to software requirements, Nexus or otherwise. I find that easier to accept than planned obsolescence.

 

[cyks]

Give a specific example regarding the Nexus line like I did with the iPhone 4 and stop talking fluff in generalities.

Fine. The Nexus One came out only 5 months before the iPhone 4, but it never received ICS since Google dropped support for it long ago. Meanwhile, the iPhone 4 continues to get updates... and likely will for (at least) another year.

 

[depths]

I just read a bit more of the thread and realised my post is not really realated to what you two are discussing but **** it, took me ages to type on my phone, I'm leaving it

 

[DodgeV83]

Oh really? Even though it has NFC, OLED, 4G, faster CPU, higher screen resolution, 2x more RAM than iPhone 4S? The only category where iPhone has an advantage is GPU. If GNexus is a turd what do you call iPhone 4S then?

The iPhone 4S has better CPU performance, giving more raw horsepower to the apps, due to iOS being more efficient than the VM nature of Android.

This is why the iPhone 4S beats the Nexus in all CPU related benchmarks. Is the A5 faster or slower than whatever CPU is in the Nexus? Debatable. Some say you can't compare the clockspeed of the two CPUs to determine raw horsepower, some say you can.

Does an app on the iPhone 4S have more CPU horsepower available to work with, measured in terms of the theoretical maximum number of operations per second, absolutely.

 

[Jb07]

I can buy a brand new BMW for 40k or a new Honda for 20k. This BMW price gouging must stop!!!!!

That's a terrible analogy. The BMW offers many things over the Honda, especially at that price. What does the iPhone offer that the GNex doesn't? "Ecosystem?" Not a great argument, considering 90% of iOS apps are also on Android. iTunes content can all be moved on the GNex easily by dragging and dropping. The GNex and iPhone are essentially the same phone internally, but BMW and Honda are completely different beasts.
Also, BMW is a premium brand, Apple is not. It's a Honda vs. Toyota comparison; they are both easily purchased by the average person, but which is the better deal for the money?

 

[E.Lizardo]

That would be valid analogy if they were using the exact same engine, drivetrain, and components. Smartphones, tablets, and even PCs all pretty much use the same hardware now. The difference is in software which certainly deserves a premium but how much?

Does Honda even offer a V8? Or a twin-turbo V6?

The operating system is EVERYTHING. it IS the device.And for me iOS is well worth the extra,especially since you are much less of a piece of meat to be sold(by Google)with iOS.
Google hasn't invested millions in a "free" OS just to be nice.

 

[irDigital0l]

I wouldn't get so excited about the Galaxy Nexus being cheaper on Verizon, as it is not nearly as good as the unlocked version.

Sorry for being uniformed and all but what are the biggest differences?

 

[0m3ga]

I agree with you in that Widgets is overrated, however, there are certain ones that are worth having. Namely the toggles. I love being able to toggle my lock screen on and off, for example. I tap it on when I go out and need the obvious security, and I toggle it off when I'm at home where it's safe and I don't need to log in with my pin every time I pick up my phone. Ditto for sound settings, toggling between vibrate/sound/silence; toggling WiFi and GPS, brightness settings, etc.

To me, the most exciting thing about JB is the Swiftkey-like improvements to the keyboard. I can't stand iOS keyboard on the iPhone. It constantly misses keys, leading to typos, leading to incorrect autocorrections. Need examples? There's a plethora of "Damn you iPhone Auto Correction" websites online. The keyboard that "just works" gave birth to that internet phenomenon. :T And the fact that Apple didn't announce any improvements to it in iOS 6 is really unfortunate.

You no longer need widgets to toggle system features like mute, wifi, bt, etc.. It's built into the expanded notification center. Of course, on the S2 and S3 if you want to silence the phone, just lay the phone facing down on a flat surface.
And I totally agree with you on the iOS keyboard and iOS auto-correct. The new Swiftkey 3 update is how all keyboards should function. Glad to see it is going to be incorporated into Jellybean.

 

[PhoneI]

That's a terrible analogy. The BMW offers many things over the Honda, especially at that price. What does the iPhone offer that the GNex doesn't? "Ecosystem?" Not a great argument, considering 90% of iOS apps are also on Android. iTunes content can all be moved on the GNex easily by dragging and dropping. The GNex and iPhone are essentially the same phone internally, but BMW and Honda are completely different beasts.
Also, BMW is a premium brand, Apple is not. It's a Honda vs. Toyota comparison; they are both easily purchased by the average person, but which is the better deal for the money?

1. 90% of the apps I use are not available on Android
2. I can say the iOS ecosystem is better because "in my opinion" it is.
3. The GNex and iPhone don't look, or feel anything like the same phone.
4. My iPad 3 screen completely destroys the new Nexus tablet screen
5. I use many apps that sync perfectly between my MacBook, iPad, and iPhone.
6. I have no need for a 7" tablet. My next iPhone will be 4". Not that big of a difference
7. Widgets are a waste of time. I can't really think of one reason to get an Android device over an iPhone.

again, this is all my opinion

 

[blackhand1001]

The iPhone 4S has better CPU performance, giving more raw horsepower to the apps, due to iOS being more efficient than the VM nature of Android.

This is why the iPhone 4S beats the Nexus in all CPU related benchmarks. Is the A5 faster or slower than whatever CPU is in the Nexus? Debatable. Some say you can't compare the clockspeed of the two CPUs to determine raw horsepower, some say you can.

Does an app on the iPhone 4S have more CPU horsepower available to work with, measured in terms of the theoretical maximum number of operations per second, absolutely.

ugh not you again. It does not beat android in all benchmarks.

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Fine. The Nexus One came out only 5 months before the iPhone 4, but it never received ICS since Google dropped support for it long ago. Meanwhile, the iPhone 4 continues to get updates... and likely will for (at least) another year.

They stopped selling the nexus one almost two years ago. They still sell the iPhone 4.

 

[Jb07]

6. I have no need for a 7" tablet. My next iPhone will be 4". Not that big of a difference

Wait, what? So if Apple put a 5.3" screen in the next iPhone, you would say it's not much of a difference between 3.5", right?

 

[PDFierro]

Sorry for being uniformed and all but what are the biggest differences?

I'm sure the Verizon version is an okay phone in its own right. Not unusable, but if I had a choice, I would go for the unlocked one.

For starters, it has Google Wallet. Verizon seems to be preventing this because they are pushing Isis.

The unlocked Nexus also has HSPA+ (faster 3G) instead of 4G. The battery life with Verizon's 4G LTE model is horrible. The unlocked with HSPA+ gets you much better battery life. I've also heard of various signal and reception problems with the Galaxy Nexus on Verizon.

Unlocked also has 16 GB instead of 32 GB found in Verizon's version. That'd be the only downside. You can also get updates more quickly on the unlocked, making it a true Nexus. Google has to go through Verizon before an update can be made available, which can take awhile.

Honestly, I'm on Verizon, and I'm thinking about the Galaxy Nexus. But I would leave and go unlocked, simply because I want the more pure and better version.

 

[PhoneI]

Wait, what? So if Apple put a 5.3" screen in the next iPhone, you would say it's not much of a difference between 3.5", right?

um no, think about what Im saying for a sec...

smartphone screens are becoming larger. I think the sIII screen is 4.8". The next iPhone screen will be 4". To me, a 7" tablet screen is not that much larger. I much prefer the larger screen of the iPad. Especially for my usage...
PDF docs, technical diagrams, sketches, etc.

 

[Jb07]

um no, think about what Im saying for a sec...

smartphone screens are becoming larger. I think the sIII screen is 4.8". The next iPhone screen will be 4". To me, a 7" tablet screen is not that much larger. I much prefer the larger screen of the iPad. Especially for my usage...
PDF docs, technical diagrams, sketches, etc.

I see... I guess I just misunderstood what you were trying to say.

 

[Technarchy]

Google sold less than 250k GNEX phones on Verizon. It sucks and the word got out fast.

The Nexus7 is already a joke bottom feeding product that exemplifies android's race to the bottom business model.

They know like we all know that garbage can't go toe to toe with the iPad so instead they go after the kindle fire and no name JC Penny tablet market.

What happened to all the talk of taking 50% of the tablet market in 2011 google?

 

[Big.Mac.Daddy]

Google sold less than 250k GNEX phones on Verizon. It sucks and the word got out fast.

The Nexus7 is already a joke bottom feeding product that exemplifies android's race to the bottom business model.

They know like we all know that garbage can't go toe to toe with the iPad so instead they go after the kindle fire and no name JC Penny tablet market.

What happened to all the talk of taking 50% of the tablet market in 2011 google?

Please try to troll harder next time. Being as obvious as your response above invalidates whatever you say that much more

 

[0m3ga]

1. 90% of the apps I use are not available on Android
2. I can say the iOS ecosystem is better because "in my opinion" it is.
3. The GNex and iPhone don't look, or feel anything like the same phone.
4. My iPad 3 screen completely destroys the new Nexus tablet screen
5. I use many apps that sync perfectly between my MacBook, iPad, and iPhone.
6. I have no need for a 7" tablet. My next iPhone will be 4". Not that big of a difference
7. Widgets are a waste of time. I can't really think of one reason to get an Android device over an iPhone.

again, this is all my opinion

1. If you work in a niche area, I can believe this. However, 99% of the mainstream apps and games are in the Google Play store.
2. IOS ecosystem is better than anything out right now. Makes a difference when a single company makes hardware, software and sells it direct.
3. ???
4. IPad screen is better than the new Nexus tablet. More ppi. Was this ever debatable? It was a way to keep the thing under $200 is my guess. Some people may not need a 'retina' display and still be happy with their purchase.
5. You do know that Android devices can sync perfectly with iTunes, right? Additionally, Google apps like calendar, gmail and drive can auto sync with any mobile device, except maybe Blackberry.
6. A 7" Nexus will be more than twice the size of a 4" iPhone. Just like a 10" tablet is nearly twice the size of a 7" tablet. Big difference. Although, I agree with you, if you already have a 4" or larger phone, plus a 10" ipad, there is no need for a 7", but it will beavailableif people want it.
7. You can't think of any reason to get something like the S3 over an iPhone? That's because you are accustomed to NOT having features with Apple.

 

[iPhoneApple]

Not the point.

At least Google doesn't make up B.S. excuses about older hardware supposedly not supporting new OS features just so they can rip you off for another $650.

Googles Nexus line isn't about making profits off hardware and withholding features from you (unlike Apple), it's simply to make a pure experience to gain market share by having the best product.

The best product? They are on Jelly Bean (4.1) and more than half of Android users are still on 2.2 .