So I have an iPhone 5 and a GS4, comparison time!

[sentinelsx]

So have storage bigger than 16gb is cutting corners? I understand that the LTE can be a deal breaker, but from what I understand it is almost impossible to get approved LTE on a phone these days without going through a carrier. Google nor I wants that. If they went through the carrier it would be up to them when the phone was updated. No thanks I want nothing to do with carriers.

Now I do agree with you on the camera, but I don't use it enough for it to matter to me. I do agree that is something they need to work on. I still don't think it some how does not make the nexus 4 compare to the flagship phones.

None of these would make me go to using an iPhone that I do not like as much as android. The battery life on the nexus 4 is nothing really different from any other android. The only one that I can think of that is better is the note 2. This is your opinion, but saying it does not compare to the flagships is kind of crazy. Having the phone unlocked limits some of the things it has, but I will take that over having to sign a 2 year contract.

The iphone has LTe and apple is not crying to the carriers for it.

You don't want more storage. Good for you. Bad for me. And since other flagships offer ways to have bigger storage, a minus for the nexus.

You don't need LTe. Good for you. I find 3G grueling slow.

Your opinion that "saying nexus 4 does not compare to flagships is crazy" is again just that, yor opinion because you are ok with something that lacks those features. Perhaps stock android is enough to make it "equal" to flagships for you but that is not true for everyone.

If I am enjoying 32gb, lte, camera, batter life in one device, and the nexus doesn't offer that because "hurr we cannot make our OEMs angry", well it is a compromise and fails to match the flagship experience I am used to.

No matter of justification can equate the two.

 

[bmac4]

The iphone has LTe and apple is not crying to the carriers for it.

You don't want more storage. Good for you. Bad for me. And since other flagships offer ways to have bigger storage, a minus for the nexus.

You don't need LTe. Good for you. I find 3G grueling slow.

Your opinion that "saying nexus 4 does not compare to flagships is crazy" is again just that, yor opinion because you are ok with something that lacks those features. Perhaps stock android is enough to make it "equal" to flagships for you but that is not true for everyone.

If I am enjoying 32gb, lte, camera, batter life in one device, and the nexus doesn't offer that because "hurr we cannot make our OEMs angry", well it is a compromise and fails to match the flagship experience I am used to.

No matter of justification can equate the two.

I am not justify anything. I did not say I do not use LTE. I don't when I use my nexus 4. I just told you why it is harder for an unlocked phone to have it. I like the nexus 4 and love using it. You don't have to, but you also can just see it for what it is. No everyone is going to like every phone. You can complain about it all you want, but guess what the last time I checked Google could careless what you think.

It is not the best speced phone, but it works for a lot of people and Google, so I don't things are going to change.

 

[blackhand1001]

I feel the lag is an app optimization problem. I find Android OS to generally be a smoother experience compared to iOS however the apps are a different story.

I have plenty of screen shots showing lag in iOS doing things in the OS itself.

Like this,

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This

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And this

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Those are examples of iOS just hanging. I rarely (not always) have that problem with Android. But a lot of the apps where I spend most of my time can be complete stutter crap. But not all apps just certain apps that are more then likely not programmed well.

The same does apply for iOS too though. Look at the current version of Facebook. It's a laggy stutter mess on even the iPhone 5. It's not that the phone is laggy, its not that the OS is laggy its the app.

Before anyone says FB is fine....it's not....

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1581014/

I find it very very helpful to reset my iPhone once a week and wipe it every 6 months. Makes a noticeable difference. I also like installing iOS updates from iTunes to get a fresh copy of iOS as that seems to help too...

For third party apps go into developer optioina and enable force gpu rendering. Makes a huge difference in apps that have it off because they are android 2 based.

 

[sentinelsx]

I am not justify anything. I did not say I do not use LTE. I don't when I use my nexus 4. I just told you why it is harder for an unlocked phone to have it. I like the nexus 4 and love using it. You don't have to, but you also can just see it for what it is. No everyone is going to like every phone. You can complain about it all you want, but guess what the last time I checked Google could careless what you think.

It is not the best speced phone, but it works for a lot of people and Google, so I don't things are going to change.

And that means the iPhone stays in as the perfect google phone for my needs.

Guess we came full circle again!

 

[bmac4]

And that means the iPhone stays in as the perfect google phone for my needs.

Guess we came full circle again!

Sure what ever you say. You coming into every thread you can and complaining about the nexus 4 does nothing. We all get that you don't like it, but we also don't care. It does not meet your needs move along.

 

[sentinelsx]

Sure what ever you say. You coming into every thread you can and complaining about the nexus 4 does nothing. We all get that you don't like it, but we also don't care. It does not meet your needs move along.

Since when did "I" turn into "we"?

Who are the people that you command anyway?

If you don't like my "complaining" (which is far from it compared to what's going on most of the time), then take your advice and move along yourself.

 

[bmac4]

Since when did "I" turn into "we"?

Who are the people that you command anyway?

If you don't like my "complaining" (which is far from it compared to what's going on most of the time), then take your advice and move along yourself.

I am not giving you advice. There is no advice to give you, but every single thread I post in and I see your name you are trashing the nexus 4. It gets real old. I don't trash the iphone 5 every chance I get

 

[cynics]

The iphone has LTe and apple is not crying to the carriers for it.

You don't want more storage. Good for you. Bad for me. And since other flagships offer ways to have bigger storage, a minus for the nexus.

You don't need LTe. Good for you. I find 3G grueling slow.

Your opinion that "saying nexus 4 does not compare to flagships is crazy" is again just that, yor opinion because you are ok with something that lacks those features. Perhaps stock android is enough to make it "equal" to flagships for you but that is not true for everyone.

If I am enjoying 32gb, lte, camera, batter life in one device, and the nexus doesn't offer that because "hurr we cannot make our OEMs angry", well it is a compromise and fails to match the flagship experience I am used to.

No matter of justification can equate the two.

Is this a joke? I've been enjoying LTE for years now the iPhone has it is a requirement? You NEED it? Really?

I actually went from LTE speeds to an iPhone 4S WHEN THE 4S WAS NEW. But I guess that's just me, Apples love child AT&T with their largest faux 4G network but LTE is the deal breaker?

Why does anyone need LTE on an iPhone anyway? I mean I understand downloading torrents on windows phone or Android but what's the point on iOS? 20 mbs LTE = 10 mbs HPSA+ when you are downloading a 1 mb web page especially when its forced into a mobile mode. iOS still limits App Store downloads so really does it matter?

 

[MacLappy]

I did a quick read up on a couple of review sites regarding the Nexus 4 and have come to the conclusion that it is not for everyone.

The Nexus 4 is not for you if

- You want fast internet service on the go. It does not have LTE.
- You take a lot of photos or videos on your smartphone. It does not produce good photos or videos.
- You play a lot of 3D games. It thermal throttles. Not an issue if you are in a really really cold place i guess.
- You spend time watching videos or surfing the inter-web, a lot. Poor battery life.
- You intend to have a ton of apps, music, photos, videos, documents, books etc. It has a maximum capacity of only 16 Gb.
- You want to enjoy carrier subsidy on your smartphone. With most carriers, you still pay the same monthly amount with or without making use of said subsidy. Nexus 4 is not carrier subsided, at all.

The Nexus 4 is for you if

- You want a pure android experience.
- You want quick updates from google.
- You refuse to be lock into a contract. Nexus 4 is really affordable off contract compared to many smartphones of similar caliber.
- You spend most of your time on your smartphone, talking. Good battery life for talking.

Source
Battery life - http://blog.gsmarena.com/google-nex...test-see-if-its-better-than-the-galaxy-nexus/
Thermal throttling performance issue - http://www.anandtech.com/show/6440/google-nexus-4-review/3
Poor Camera - http://www.gsmarena.com/google_nexus_4-review-860p9.php

On a side note I agreed with the OP on the S4, lovely screen but Samsung really needs to fix the lag issue.

 

[sentinelsx]

Is this a joke? I've been enjoying LTE for years now the iPhone has it is a requirement? You NEED it? Really?

I actually went from LTE speeds to an iPhone 4S WHEN THE 4S WAS NEW. But I guess that's just me, Apples love child AT&T with their largest faux 4G network but LTE is the deal breaker?

Why does anyone need LTE on an iPhone anyway? I mean I understand downloading torrents on windows phone or Android but what's the point on iOS? 20 mbs LTE = 10 mbs HPSA+ when you are downloading a 1 mb web page especially when its forced into a mobile mode. iOS still limits App Store downloads so really does it matter?

Because i don't live in the land of great HSPA+ speeds aka 'Murica?

Our HSPA sucks hard no matter which carrier you pick. After using LTE for a month now, i remember the feeling i had when i switched from 2G to 3G.

There are no "1MB" web pages unless you want stripped down sites only. I browse desktop sites regularly on my phone and by no means they are "1MB".

Ever tried going to the "wallpaper thread"? Tell me how great it is to load all those MBs. The difference in loading was night and day once i turned on LTE, i was blindly keeping it turned off.

Not to mention i now upload more stuff on my iPhone than before. My LTE upload speed is 3 times what my wifi upload speed is. Why should i not take advantage of it?

May be you use your "smartphone" for facebook only, but for me it is a tool. Better technology = better tool for me.

Justify as much as you want, but yeah i "need" LTE now and am glad Apple finally came to their stubborn senses and included it. I cannot imagine falling back to 3G and the horrible 5 second loading times for network apps (yes i am serious, 1 second vs. 5 seconds is a big deal for me).

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I am not giving you advice. There is no advice to give you, but every single thread I post in and I see your name you are trashing the nexus 4. It gets real old. I don't trash the iphone 5 every chance I get

Trashing? Tell me if i am wrong on all those points? Just because i didn't say "i agree with bmac4's opinion", i am trashing?

The fact i find LTE to be faster and better than my HSPA speeds is trashing? The fact i can take use-able pictures from my camera is trashing? The fact i can use my ample 32 GB and find the nexus 4 lacking in that aspect is trashing?

How many posts are here made by many people daily, re-iterating the same thing over and over? But you have to pick on me, because how dare i speak ill of the great nexus of which you are a fanboy?

Grow up.

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- You refuse to be lock into a contract.

I don't get this. I am contract free nowadays and have used a GS3, Nexus 4, IPhone 5 so far (not including the old smartphones i had before). I don't see a carrier clause stating i need to use a nexus 4 only to be contract free.

 

[bmac4]

Because google is OEMs' b!tch.

And this is the number one reason why I still have an iPhone despite running many android phones along side.

The day when google makes their own nexus and markets it as a competitor to rest of the flagships is the day I will switch completely. Until then, I hope ios7 is great or bb10 becomes a smash hit.

Here is one of your earlier posts. I don't call that first comment you made not trashing google. Yea sure you listed all the things you don't like about the nexus 4 which is fine, but you have to take it a bit further and make comments like those. Now you say things like this like you think Apple is not the same thing to carriers. I know it is hard to see when it is the phone you are using, and want to defend it when ever you can.

Lets take a look at my iPhone for a minute. I have the 5 on AT&T. There are some huge limitations to this model. First AT&T says no tethering unless you have a tethering plan. No unlimited data costumers can have a tethering plan. Guess what Apple says yes sir whatever you say. Yes I know that this is something AT&T has had in their policy for a while, but guess what. That did not stop Apple from making them break a lot of rules when they released the first iPhone. It just shows they let AT&T or whatever carrier what they want. Next the one feature Apple could not market enough FaceTime. It works on my iPhone 5, but only on wifi. One of the new addition to the iPhone 5 was being able to FaceTime over data. Guess what again AT&T says you have to have a plan for that. No unlimited users can have the plan. Apple again just says ok.

I understand that each of us have our opinions. Which is fine, but I never once call Apple what you called google. I also have not singled you out. Have you read all the post I make on macrumors? If not then you have no idea. Just look back at this thread for a min. SpineDoc77 and I have gone back and forth for a while on this thread. I am not a nexus fanboy. I have the iPhone 5 and note 2. You just seem to have this bitterness for the nexus phones. I am not sure why, but you better just get use to it and don't expect things to change. I don't like way the iPhone is layer out. Guess what millions of people do, so I have to get over it and move on. You don't see me posting post after post about how I hate it.

 

[sentinelsx]

Here is one of your earlier posts. I don't call that first comment you made not trashing google. Yea sure you listed all the things you don't like about the nexus 4 which is fine, but you have to take it a bit further and make comments like those. Now you say things like this like you think Apple is not the same thing to carriers. I know it is hard to see when it is the phone you are using, and want to defend it when ever you can.

Lets take a look at my iPhone for a minute. I have the 5 on AT&T. There are some huge limitations to this model. First AT&T says no tethering unless you have a tethering plan. No unlimited data costumers can have a tethering plan. Guess what Apple says yes sir whatever you say. Yes I know that this is something AT&T has had in their policy for a while, but guess what. That did not stop Apple from making them break a lot of rules when they released the first iPhone. It just shows they let AT&T or whatever carrier what they want. Next the one feature Apple could not market enough FaceTime. It works on my iPhone 5, but only on wifi. One of the new addition to the iPhone 5 was being able to FaceTime over data. Guess what again AT&T says you have to have a plan for that. No unlimited users can have the plan. Apple again just says ok.

I understand that each of us have our opinions. Which is fine, but I never once call Apple what you called google. I also have not singled you out. Have you read all the post I make on macrumors? If not then you have no idea. Just look back at this thread for a min.

I had tethering on my paltry 500MB plan and now on my 10 GB plan on an iPhone, facetime has always worked although i only used it thrice and it was not for me, but it works. So in my experience the iPhone doesn't take any dictations from the carrier. When apple released personal hotspot and facetime, none of the carriers imposed any restrictions.

And apple is not the one selling wireless plans to customers. If AT&T is not letting you use your unlimited plan if you have an iPhone, do you expect Apple to roll out their own network?

And what i said in that post is true. If google is not OEM dependent, why are they so scared to make a truly flagship device? Oh noes, the OEMs be angry!!!!

Here is my question. Did apple hold back facetime from adding to iPhone because the carriers wouldn't like it? No. They gave the feature.

Did apple hold back personal hotpot after they got it ready? No. All iPhones that got 4.3.3 got personal hotspot.

In both cases, it was the carrier that disabled the feature, but your phone got it no matter what.

Does google include a good camera, LTE, more storage in their nexus but it gets magically taken out by a carrier or OEM? no. Google simply doesn't want to compete with the OEM and holds back.

Once samsung kicks them to the curb after locking everyone in their S-ecosystem, as much as it sounds funny, they will probably finally come to senses.

 

[bmac4]

I had tethering on my paltry 500MB plan and now on my 10 GB plan on an iPhone, facetime has always worked although i only used it thrice and it was not for me, but it works. So in my experience the iPhone doesn't take any dictations from the carrier. When apple released personal hotspot and facetime, none of the carriers imposed any restrictions.

And apple is not the one selling wireless plans to customers. If AT&T is not letting you use your unlimited plan if you have an iPhone, do you expect Apple to roll out their own network?

And what i said in that post is true. If google is not OEM dependent, why are they so scared to make a truly flagship device? Oh noes, the OEMs be angry!!!!

Here is my question. Did apple hold back facetime from adding to iPhone because the carriers wouldn't like it? No. They gave the feature.

Did apple hold back personal hotpot after they got it ready? No. All iPhones that got 4.3.3 got personal hotspot.

In both cases, it was the carrier that disabled the feature, but your phone got it no matter what.

Does google include a good camera, LTE, more storage in their nexus but it gets magically taken out by a carrier or OEM? no. Google simply doesn't want to compete with the OEM and holds back.

Once samsung kicks them to the curb after locking everyone in their S-ecosystem, as much as it sounds funny, they will probably finally come to senses.

You dong get it. Yes your iPhone worked with Facetime and hotspots, but that is because you carrier allowed. Also if you took time to read my post you would see that I said unlimited data customers. It does not look like you are unlimited. On At&t both work with you are not unlimited. These are both things Apple could have stood their ground and said everyone that buys an iPhone gets these features.

Look at the first iPhone. It has no bloatware. Every smartphone from blackberry to Samsung had At&t bloatware, but guess what Apple said no. If you look into the contract you will see that At&t broke a lot of their rules for the iPhone. They are now letting the carrier say what can and can't happen.

You can say whatever you want about the nexus phones, but I hate to tell you this is how it has been since the nexus one. I don't see anything changing any time soon. Google runs the nexus line how they see it working, and it seems to be getting bigger and bigger each year. It is just funny how you don't want to see any fault in your iphone, but look at every detail you think is wrong with the nexus 4.

 

[sentinelsx]

You dong get it. Yes your iPhone worked with Facetime and hotspots, but that is because you carrier allowed. Also if you took time to read my post you would see that I said unlimited data customers. It does not look like you are unlimited. On At&t both work with you are not unlimited. These are both things Apple could have stood their ground and said everyone that buys an iPhone gets these features.

Look at the first iPhone. It has no bloatware. Every smartphone from blackberry to Samsung had At&t bloatware, but guess what Apple said no. If you look into the contract you will see that At&t broke a lot of their rules for the iPhone. They are now letting the carrier say what can and can't happen.

You can say whatever you want about the nexus phones, but I hate to tell you this is how it has been since the nexus one. I don't see anything changing any time soon. Google runs the nexus line how they see it working, and it seems to be getting bigger and bigger each year. It is just funny how you don't want to see any fault in your iphone, but look at every detail you think is wrong with the nexus 4.

Lol. It is you who didn't get it.

Whether the carrier allows it or not, the iPhone has the feature. It is not missing. Apple either gives you something or doesn't give you anything. The carrier doesn't tell apple "don't ever include FaceTime, don't ever include hotspot, don't ever include LTe chipset". Apple does it independently. Carriers don't dictate how the iPhone is built or how ios is developed.

When it comes to nexus, google has their hands tied thanks to making android open source. Now the OEMs will dictate how the nexus will be made.

And that means my iPhone with google apps is superior compared to the nexus TO ME as long as stock OS is concerned.

And if one doesn't care about stock, the rest of the skinned android phones absolutely destroy the nexus 4. No need to buy that compromise when you can enjoy an OEM flagship. But that means for people like me who would prefer a cleaner android, the choice is either deal with a compromise or don't buy it.

 

[sentinelsx]

very informative, but i dont completely agree with you, i think the s4 is an amazing device, fast and fluid. i don't mind the plastic body cause i will cover my device with a plastic cover. but i'd say that apple really needs to make a 4.5"+ device.

The plastic makes it lighter which is a good thing IMO.

A huge 5 inch screen that weighs so light. Pretty sure many people like that.

 

[bmac4]

Lol. It is you who didn't get it.

Whether the carrier allows it or not, the iPhone has the feature. It is not missing. Apple either gives you something or doesn't give you anything. The carrier doesn't tell apple "don't ever include FaceTime, don't ever include hotspot, don't ever include LTe chipset". Apple does it independently. Carriers don't dictate how the iPhone is built or how ios is developed.

When it comes to nexus, google has their hands tied thanks to making android open source. Now the OEMs will dictate how the nexus will be made.

And that means my iPhone with google apps is superior compared to the nexus TO ME as long as stock OS is concerned.

And if one doesn't care about stock, the rest of the skinned android phones absolutely destroy the nexus 4. No need to buy that compromise when you can enjoy an OEM flagship. But that means for people like me who would prefer a cleaner android, the choice is either deal with a compromise or don't buy it.

No Apple is allowing carriers to limit the iPhone. Yea sure they can add features, but if they don't work on carriers phones then what good does that do.

Again you can keep complaining, but you are in the minority of people that use the nexus line of devices. Just admit it. You like Apple better and you are just trolling. Look at most of the people that use the nexus 4. They are not coming on here complaining about what the nexus 4 does not have. The people you see complaining are the ones coming from an iPhone and expect android to be just like their iPhone. Sorry things work differently. Stay with your iPhone and don't worry about the nexus phones. I don't know why you think the phone should fit your needs. Just because it doesn't in your mind if makes it a bad phone. Ask the millions of nexus 4 owners how they like their phone. Don't even try and look at these threads and find iPhone users that are complaining. Cause they are just like you. Look at places like android forums filled with people that love their nexus 4.

 

[sentinelsx]

No Apple is allowing carriers to limit the iPhone. Yea sure they can add features, but if they don't work on carriers phones then what good does that do.

Yeah but i have a choice of carriers in most cases. Apple includes the features, they don't limit them. The carrier does. So blame the carrier.

Same with a galaxy. Samsung puts all those features in their phone. They may be limited by a carrier, but samsung gives me all those features, like it or not. They have become another OEM since the S3 which doesn't cut features because of a carrier.

When it comes to nexus, i have no choice. And i have an issue with that. Take it or leave it.

Again you can keep complaining, but you are in the minority of people that use the nexus line of devices. Just admit it.

And did i say that the mass consumers want it too? No. Does that mean i should not be allowed to talk about my discontent?Nno. Again why are you trying to police what YOU don't like?

You like Apple better and you are just trolling.

AHAHA. Nice one. I like apple better because i am talking about an iPhone. I can see you switching your tune to "you like Samsung better and you are just trolling" if i was mentioning the S4, because hey, anyone not happy with Lord Nexus is trolling.

Look at most of the people that use the nexus 4. They are not coming on here complaining about what the nexus 4 does not have. The people you see complaining are the ones coming from an iPhone and expect android to be just like their iPhone. Sorry things work differently.

Nope. I have seen plenty of people point out the deficiencies. Many of them are users of non-nexus android devices. Have you ever gone to XDA? Android Army? Android Central? Android Forums? I guess it is too hard to police all the forums at the same time eh?

Sure things work differently, and they might change. Who are you to decide? Are you Pichai or Page?

Stay with your iPhone and don't worry about the nexus phones. I don't know why you think the phone should fit your needs.

Because unlike you I am not a blind N4 worshipper. And i don't need advice from you about what to stay with. I will use what i like and say things about what i dislike. Again, take it or leave it.

Just because it doesn't in your mind if makes it a bad phone. Ask the millions of nexus 4 owners how they like their phone. Don't even try and look at these threads and find iPhone users that are complaining. Cause they are just like you. Look at places like android forums filled with people that love their nexus 4.

Millions? Ahah. Barely one million sales and millions of users? Please.

And just because it is perfect in your mind doesn't mean it is actually perfect. See how it goes both ways?

 

[cynics]

Why are we comparing a Nexus to an iPhone again? It's a 349 dollar phone vs a 649 dollar phone why would someone even compare them? If the nexus holds its own compared to the iPhone in any regard that's just embarrassing for the iPhone.

Isn't the topic the S4 compared to the iPhone?

 

[sentinelsx]

Why are we comparing a Nexus to an iPhone again? It's a 349 dollar phone vs a 649 dollar phone why would someone even compare them? If the nexus holds its own compared to the iPhone in any regard that's just embarrassing for the iPhone.

Isn't the topic the S4 compared to the iPhone?

Because someone mentioned something, i said something, and bmac4 got all touchy

As for the record, i don't think that the nexus can hold its own against the iPhone. It is really a $349 phone, made to be cheap by cutting stuff. Some people just don't like it when this is said.

 

[bmac4]

Yeah but i have a choice of carriers in most cases. Apple includes the features, they don't limit them. The carrier does. So blame the carrier.

Same with a galaxy. Samsung puts all those features in their phone. They may be limited by a carrier, but samsung gives me all those features, like it or not. They have become another OEM since the S3 which doesn't cut features because of a carrier.

When it comes to nexus, i have no choice. And i have an issue with that. Take it or leave it.



And did i say that the mass consumers want it too? No. Does that mean i should not be allowed to talk about my discontent?Nno. Again why are you trying to police what YOU don't like?



AHAHA. Nice one. I like apple better because i am talking about an iPhone. I can see you switching your tune to "you like Samsung better and you are just trolling" if i was mentioning the S4, because hey, anyone not happy with Lord Nexus is trolling.


Nope. I have seen plenty of people point out the deficiencies. Many of them are users of non-nexus android devices. Have you ever gone to XDA? Android Army? Android Central? Android Forums? I guess it is too hard to police all the forums at the same time eh?

Sure things work differently, and they might change. Who are you to decide? Are you Pichai or Page?



Because unlike you I am not a blind N4 worshipper. And i don't need advice from you about what to stay with. I will use what i like and say things about what i dislike. Again, take it or leave it.



Millions? Ahah. Barely one million sales and millions of users? Please.

And just because it is perfect in your mind doesn't mean it is actually perfect. See how it goes both ways?

You want to talk about not being limited. What about my nexus 4. I can tether when I want to cause it is built right into the phone. You keep talking like you have the option on your phone, but the data plan you put up is a limited one. Sure all carriers will allow tethering on limited plans. I am going to blame the carrier and Apple. If Apple was all big and powerful like everyone says they are then they would tell the carriers to kiss it and make an unlocked iPhone only. Oh wait then they would be limited by LTE and other things like the nexus is. Apple kisses the carriers butt so they can sell their phone on their network. You can claim it is all the carrier, but if Apple wanted to they could stand up to them. I don't like using my iPhone 5 much because I can't tether. I just got a bad experience from At&t and Apple. Does Apple want that? I don't think so. If you go and look through the iPhone section of MacRumors there are tons of people complaining about these same things. Blame it on the carrier that is what all iPhone fans say.

I will says this yet again I am not a nexus fanboy, or loyalist. I use the nexus 4 because it fits my needs. The iPhone is way to limited by Apple for me to enjoy for long periods of time. I see the nexus line for what it is. An unlocked phone that has the best software that android has to offer. Hardware comes second in importance on the nexus phones. This will always be the case. They are not selling to people like you that need the best camera on a smartphone. They are selling to people that want stock android. They are making us happy. They really don't need to make you happy because the only way you would like it is if it would like the iPhone.

I believe Google sold 1 million from the first couple of weeks of sales. That was how many they had really for sale before they ran out. That was months ago. That is why I know it is in the millions not million. Give me some kind of proof of just one million.

So you want to keep screaming about LTE. Do I need to remind you that the iPhone just got LTE. It is not like the iPhone has been sporting this around for years. Again they bent over for the carriers so they get LTE. Google did not want to do that again, so it became harder.

 

[cynics]

Because someone mentioned something, i said something, and bmac4 got all touchy

As for the record, i don't think that the nexus can hold its own against the iPhone. It is really a $349 phone, made to be cheap by cutting stuff. Some people just don't like it when this is said.

I agree to an extent.

However I feel that only applies to the camera and lack of LTE. And the lack of LTE is moot because its a world phone. There are dozens of carrier specific iPhones to make LTE work, there is only one Nexus 4. Once there is an all in one LTE radio the nexus will get it.

Comparing the rest to the iPhone 5 I don't think many corners were cut. It has a larger screen. Larger battery. More ram. Faster processor (don't forget I'm comparing the hardware not its use), NFC, wireless charging, and maybe some other stuff I'm forgetting.

IMO there is a lot more and more expensive hardware in the Nexus then the iPhone 5.

 

[sentinelsx]

You want to talk about not being limited. What about my nexus 4. I can tether when I want to cause it is built right into the phone. You keep talking like you have the option on your phone, but the data plan you put up is a limited one. Sure all carriers will allow tethering on limited plans. I am going to blame the carrier and Apple. If Apple was all big and powerful like everyone says they are then they would tell the carriers to kiss it and make an unlocked iPhone only. Oh wait then they would be limited by LTE and other things like the nexus is. Apple kisses the carriers butt so they can sell their phone on their network. You can claim it is all the carrier, but if Apple wanted to they could stand up to them. I don't like using my iPhone 5 much because I can't tether. I just got a bad experience from At&t and Apple. Does Apple want that? I don't think so. If you go and look through the iPhone section of MacRumors there are tons of people complaining about these same things. Blame it on the carrier that is what all iPhone fans say.

I will says this yet again I am not a nexus fanboy, or loyalist. I use the nexus 4 because it fits my needs. The iPhone is way to limited by Apple for me to enjoy for long periods of time. I see the nexus line for what it is. An unlocked phone that has the best software that android has to offer. Hardware comes second in importance on the nexus phones. This will always be the case. They are not selling to people like you that need the best camera on a smartphone. They are selling to people that want stock android. They are making us happy. They really don't need to make you happy because the only way you would like it is if it would like the iPhone.

I believe Google sold 1 million from the first couple of weeks of sales. That was how many they had really for sale before they ran out. That was months ago. That is why I know it is in the millions not million. Give me some kind of proof of just one million.

So you want to keep screaming about LTE. Do I need to remind you that the iPhone just got LTE. It is not like the iPhone has been sporting this around for years. Again they bent over for the carriers so they get LTE. Google did not want to do that again, so it became harder.

The iPhone "just" got LTe but the gs3 I used had LTe a cool 4 months earlier. And the s2 LTe had it one year earlier. So this is not about the iPhone, as much as you want to make it for easy potshots at me.

Where is your proof of "millions"?

And no, it wasn't one million in two weeks lol.

And here's the deal, if I buy a nexus 4, I still can't use an unlimited plan because there are none. Unless I want to put up with the crappy new entrants which have zero reception at my home. But the funny thing is their unlimited plans can be used with an iPhone.

So spin it whatever way, the nexus is still a compromise. I think I would rather use a One or S4 than compromise over saving a couple hundreds.

If I have the money and google doesn't want to cater to me by selling a true flagship nexus device, they are holding back and giving me a cheaper but compromised device. You don't like this? Well too bad, ain't gonna change how I feel about it.

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I agree to an extent.

However I feel that only applies to the camera and lack of LTE. And the lack of LTE is moot because its a world phone. There are dozens of carrier specific iPhones to make LTE work, there is only one Nexus 4. Once there is an all in one LTE radio the nexus will get it.

Comparing the rest to the iPhone 5 I don't think many corners were cut. It has a larger screen. Larger battery. More ram. Faster processor (don't forget I'm comparing the hardware not its use), NFC, wireless charging, and maybe some other stuff I'm forgetting.

IMO there is a lot more and more expensive hardware in the Nexus then the iPhone 5.

More expensive? Do you have a bill of materials to show that? Do you think that by spending an extra $2 over faster CPU but taking out a costly camera makes it "more expensive"?

 

[bmac4]

The iPhone "just" got LTe but the gs3 I used had LTe a cool 4 months earlier. And the s2 LTe had it one year earlier. So this is not about the iPhone, as much as you want to make it for easy potshots at me.

Where is your proof of "millions"?

And no, it wasn't one million in two weeks lol.

And here's the deal, if I buy a nexus 4, I still can't use an unlimited plan because there are none. Unless I want to put up with the crappy new entrants which have zero reception at my home. But the funny thing is their unlimited plans can be used with an iPhone.

So spin it whatever way, the nexus is still a compromise. I think I would rather use a One or S4 than compromise over saving a couple hundreds.

If I have the money and google doesn't want to cater to me by selling a true flagship nexus device, they are holding back and giving me a cheaper but compromised device. You don't like this? Well too bad, ain't gonna change how I feel about it.

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More expensive? Do you have a bill of materials to show that? Do you think that by spending an extra $2 over faster CPU but taking out a costly camera makes it "more expensive"?

OK well you want to continue to keep missing the fact that the nexus 4 is a true world phone that is fine. None of the other phones you listed are that. If you want to say it is a compromise then go right ahead. You just don't understand how carrier and unlocked phones work. The nexus 4 can work anywhere in the world with a gsm Sim card. All those carrier phones you have cannot. Sorry but all your phone are a compromise to me.

 

[sentinelsx]

OK well you want to continue to keep missing the fact that the nexus 4 is a true world phone that is fine. None of the other phones you listed are that. If you want to say it is a compromise then go right ahead. You just don't understand how carrier and unlocked phones work. The nexus 4 can work anywhere in the world with a gsm Sim card. All those carrier phones you have cannot. Sorry but all your phone are a compromise to me.

Really?

Have you travelled overseas?

Both the Samsung gs3 and iPhone 5 work flawlessly in the Asian country I am from. How do I know? Because I personally used the gs3 LTe there (max 3G speeds but everything works, no LTe there yet). And the ip5 is bought and used by all the rich guys (because it is a status symbol in some places) over there too.

I used my iPhone 4 over there two years ago.

Brother took his htc one x last year and it worked flawless.

Do you even know "unlocked" isn't a magical word for "works everywhere". You can "unlock" any modern phone and it works as a world phone.

That was hilarious. More blind nexus worshipping I see.

 

[cynics]

More expensive? Do you have a bill of materials to show that? Do you think that by spending an extra $2 over faster CPU but taking out a costly camera makes it "more expensive"?

How much was the wireless charger and NFC in an iPhone? It obviously doesn't have them. So I'd say that's more expensive would you?

The batteries are the same tech so that's more expensive.

Twice the amount of ram. Obviously more expensive.

The screen is more likely more expensive just from its size. I'm just assuming that though.

The Nexus 4 camera isn't as good but its not completely terrible either. The iPhone has the best camera or very close too it so anything else is technically crappier in comparison.

Unless you are saying a different radio and moderately but unarguably better camera is 350 dollars? It seems that you keep going back to the Nexus's camera when you mention cutting corners, then over look everything else which is technically better.